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Username Post: Roof Replacement 1971 Malibu        (Topic#353555)
IBGM 
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10-22-18 11:20 AM - Post#2749248    

Hey Guys-
I have a 1971 Malibu (nothing original) that in an earlier life, had a sunroof installed. I would like to have this changed back to it's original state. Does anyone know of any restoration shops in Massachusetts that are capable of performing this job? I wonder if it would be an entire roof swap or a patch panel? I know it won't be cheap, I just want it done right.
Appreciate any and all feedback!




 
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10-22-18 11:37 AM - Post#2749250    
    In response to IBGM

  • IBGM Said:
.....I wonder if it would be an entire roof swap or a patch panel? I know it won't be cheap, I just want it done right.
Appreciate any and all feedback!


What does "right" mean to you? If it includes interior appearance (headliner), I think it would be best to ask the shop to quote the job both ways.

Ray

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IBGM 
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10-22-18 11:49 AM - Post#2749251    
    In response to raycow

The headliner would absolutely have to be replaced. That's for sure!




 
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10-22-18 12:12 PM - Post#2749255    
    In response to IBGM

  • IBGM Said:
The headliner would absolutely have to be replaced. That's for sure!


What if you did a complete roof swap and cut it on the pillars and didn't care about the headliner color? You would just keep whatever headliner came with the donor roof. This could mean you might have to re-route some wires from above the headliner to beneath the floor covering. That's why I asked how important the interior appearance was.

Ray

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IBGM 
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10-22-18 01:10 PM - Post#2749261    
    In response to raycow

I would fully expect to buy a new headliner kit. I see Ausley's sells them. I know this is an expensive project, I just want someone who is comfortable performing the job.
http://www.chevelle.com/1964-72-Headliner-Vis or-Ki...

I just hope to find someone who has experience performing this major type of restoration.




Edited by IBGM on 10-22-18 01:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
wagonman100 
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10-22-18 07:19 PM - Post#2749304    
    In response to IBGM

It’s not really that major of a job. They now make new roof skins for your car. Any good shop can do a roof skin job. You can save some money by having the headliner pulled and the windshield and rear window out when you give it to a shop. The roof skin is held on by spot welds at the pinchwelds in the windshield and rear window areas as well as in the rain gutters. The shop can just MIG weld at the pinchwelds, but they need a spot welder with a small enough tip to weld down in the gutters. The skin also meets the quarters and the factory lead needs to be removed and the new roof spliced in at the seam. Actually, the roof and quarters overlap and a spot welded together. You don’t need to put lead back in. Fiberglass reinforced body filler as a first coat is fine in place of it. Same at the corners of the windshield pillars after the skin is welded there.

Jay
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1999 Silverado Z71 4X4 extra-cab short bed
1983 Malibu Fauxmad - tubbed
1978 El Camino Kustomized
1972 Monte Carlo
1957 210 handyman wagon
1957 Nomad sport wagon
1957 Cameo Carrier


 
IBGM 
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10-24-18 03:54 AM - Post#2749391    
    In response to wagonman100

It's not the kind of job for you regular body shop. The first place I called said they would make a panel, I know for sure with the way I drive, there would be stress cracks within a year. I need an old school body shop that isn't afraid to take on this job. Someone who has experience doing roofs. I wish I knew one in Massachusetts with good reviews.





 
wagonman100 
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10-28-18 08:19 PM - Post#2749813    
    In response to IBGM

Actually a regular shop could do it. But as I said, I would want them to resistance spot weld the roof at the gutters. Skins on newer cars are spot welded in a drain trough that is much wider than the gutters on older cars, so they can be MIG welded, spot welded or even metal bonded with glue. I have put on about a dozen roof skins over the years.

Technically yours could be metal bonded at the gutters too, but a lot of people don’t do it properly. I would not want that large of a hole patched personally. There are people out there that could do it and you wouldn’t get cracks. But they are few and far between. To me, it’s just too much of a chance that the roof will get severely warped from the welding heat and that can be very hard to correct. Most body men that would know how to correct the warpage properly would not cause the warpage (or not cause very bad warpage) in the first place.

Jay
Friends don’t let friends drive Fords.

1999 Silverado Z71 4X4 extra-cab short bed
1983 Malibu Fauxmad - tubbed
1978 El Camino Kustomized
1972 Monte Carlo
1957 210 handyman wagon
1957 Nomad sport wagon
1957 Cameo Carrier


 
IBGM 
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10-29-18 02:32 PM - Post#2749916    
    In response to wagonman100

Well said Wagononman100. Shops want my money but they kinda choke up a bit when I ask about past experience doing this kind of job. I'll stay on the lookout, maybe wait til next year so that I can hit up a car show and make some contacts.
If you want it done right, you gotta find a guy that's done it before and has experience with these roof skins, easier said then done...





 
wagonman100 
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10-29-18 08:15 PM - Post#2749955    
    In response to IBGM

I hope you find someone who will do a good job. I’m sure asking around at car shows should yield some good referrals.

Jay
Friends don’t let friends drive Fords.

1999 Silverado Z71 4X4 extra-cab short bed
1983 Malibu Fauxmad - tubbed
1978 El Camino Kustomized
1972 Monte Carlo
1957 210 handyman wagon
1957 Nomad sport wagon
1957 Cameo Carrier


 
scrambldcj8 
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04-17-19 04:27 AM - Post#2764376    
    In response to IBGM

What part of MA is Silvertown near? Never heard of it and google comes up short......



 
Mel Foye 
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04-17-19 06:20 PM - Post#2764434    
    In response to IBGM

Took just enough body work classes to figure that sun roofs DON'T run from gutter to gutter and from top of windshield to back window and pillars would be way over my head.
I would lean toward using a flange maker, using an English wheel and getting a real good person to keep oil canning and warping to a min when welding in a patch.
I am open to learning more choices. And yes this is an oldie.



 
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