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Username Post: 1st-2nd Gear Whine with 3 speed        (Topic#352388)
Marche53 
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08-08-18 02:56 AM - Post#2742306    

I've had my 53' Belair for almost 4 years. It only gets driven during the summer. It has a 235 and manual 3 speed on the column. Driving at slow speeds the transmission whines in 1st and 2nd gear. Once I shift into 3rd it's quiet. This summer I'm driving more than ever. This whine is annoying. Is this normal. Sounds like an old army jeep when I take off



Edited by Marche53 on 08-08-18 02:57 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 

bobt 
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08-08-18 03:18 AM - Post#2742307    
    In response to Marche53

I say yes. The whine is normal plus, I don't drive in first or second gear that much.I just use them to get to third gear. When you watch the old 1930,1940 & 1950 movies with car scenes in them, if you listen carefully, you will hear the whine. I say---just deal with it. It's the nature of the beast. Be thankful that it doesn't do it in third gear.



 
Marche53 
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08-08-18 03:23 AM - Post#2742308    
    In response to bobt

Thanks for letting me know. I feel much better about it



 
RAM_51 
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08-08-18 04:04 AM - Post#2742310    
    In response to Marche53

  • Marche53 Said:
This whine is annoying. Is this normal. Sounds like an old army jeep when I take off


The whine is normal and is because of the cut of the gears. Once you get into third, the power is all on the main shaft or straight through the transmission...hence the sound or whine of gears disappears because gears are no longer in play at that point. As a precautionary point, you might check your transmission oil level and insure that it is the correct weight, but a certain degree of whine is absolutely normal and to be expected.


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2blu52 
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08-08-18 05:29 AM - Post#2742314    
    In response to Marche53

As said they are a noisy transmission, but I will relate a problem with my 52 which involved wining in second gear. As I used the car and piled up some miles on it the second gear noise increased, got to the point a ford owner complained about it one cruise night. I took it out disassembled it and found that the face of the gear teeth in second gear were filled with what appeared to be small cracks. I replaced second gear with a new one and all was well. The PO told me later that the transmission was a wrecking yard replacement for the original so there may have been water damage.

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08-08-18 09:10 AM - Post#2742332    
    In response to 2blu52

A considerable amount of gear noise is normal with the 4 bolt Chevy trans. Chevy didn't get a significantly quieter 3 speed trans until 1966 with the Saginaw. The Warner T-16, introduced with the 396 in 1965, might be quieter, but those are so scarce that I have never actually heard what one sounds like.

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DZAUTO 
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08-08-18 09:31 AM - Post#2742336    
    In response to raycow

Man, you would never live with a Chevelle that has an M22!!!!!



 
Sethmark 
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08-08-18 11:50 AM - Post#2742349    
    In response to DZAUTO

I’m gonna disagree a little. Trans in my 53 came from a 30,000 mile car. It replaced what I believe to be the original 80k transmission. The original transmission whined like hell. The new one is fairly quiet unless you get off the gas aggressively and let it engine brake...

It’s not silent, but for the most part it’s not obtrusive either.



Edited by Sethmark on 08-08-18 11:50 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Dave in VA 
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08-08-18 01:15 PM - Post#2742359    
    In response to Sethmark

We had a '50 4dr when I was a kid and I remember the whine. Mine sounds the same.

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08-08-18 04:14 PM - Post#2742377    
    In response to Dave in VA

Our '53 S.D. bought new, did not have a very noticeable whine in 1st and 2nd. It had a slight whine. But every torque tube Chevy I've ever owned on my own whined in 1st and 2nd. I always thought the torque tube somehow magnified the sound, cause in the 235 3-speed '59 Chevy station wagon I owned, it did not whine so much.

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Kyle G. 
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08-08-18 10:35 PM - Post#2742434    
    In response to rrausch

My '50 developed a very loud gear whine only when in 2nd gear shortly after we bought the car. Turns out it's a good idea to check the transmission oil level before you start driving it everywhere. Running the tranny bone dry wore through the front countershaft bushing in a week I think. The clustergear was then cocked slightly and rested steel on steel and wore 1/8" though the countershaft on one side as I drove the car another 10,000 miles.

I took the time to have a new countershaft and clustergear bushings machined when I swapped the 216 to the 235 engine. Since then 2nd gear has been significantly quieter.

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Edited by Kyle G. on 08-08-18 10:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Marche53 
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08-09-18 04:59 AM - Post#2742441    
    In response to Kyle G.

Driving from a stop at normal driving speeds it's not bad and I usually get to 3rd gear pretty quick. However living in Italy where there are lots of narrow roads, I'm often driving 10-15 mph or less as I go thru the city center or along the beach. That's when I hear it most. Based on your responses I think it's normal.

I do have a bit of clutch clatter. It gets worse on hot days. Especially if I'm stuck in traffic. I'm lifting off the clutch pedal a good 60% before the car starts to move. I'm thinking a new clutch will soon be needed.



 
raycow 
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08-09-18 06:45 AM - Post#2742452    
    In response to Marche53

Have you checked the free play adjustment? It is normal for the free play to decrease as the clutch disc wears.

Ray

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Bel Air kiwi 
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08-09-18 03:16 PM - Post#2742521    
    In response to raycow

Hi Guys, Someone bought up the M22, which I think most folks call the rock crusher. They whine more than usual as they have a different bevel angle on the gear cut to improve strength over quietness.

It's only a few degrees of angle change but it makes a difference. If you want it quiet and strong it has to get bigger and heavier.

Cheers kiwi

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Marche53 
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08-10-18 05:21 AM - Post#2742559    
    In response to raycow

Ray, that's a good suggestion. I'll check it out.



 
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08-10-18 07:18 PM - Post#2742662    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi Guys, Someone bought up the M22, which I think most folks call the rock crusher. They whine more than usual as they have a different bevel angle on the gear cut to improve strength over quietness.

It's only a few degrees of angle change but it makes a difference. If you want it quiet and strong it has to get bigger and heavier.

Cheers kiwi



Yep, I did.
As finances permit, I'm replacing all my M20 Muncies with an M22W. I've been in love with the whining M22 since the 60s.




 
raycow 
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08-10-18 10:12 PM - Post#2742678    
    In response to DZAUTO

Is that an A-26?

Ray

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Dean50 
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08-12-18 12:02 AM - Post#2742788    
    In response to DZAUTO

Sweet bird!

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DZAUTO 
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08-12-18 08:47 AM - Post#2742819    
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08-12-18 08:55 AM - Post#2742821    
    In response to DZAUTO

We have a CT member in this forum who works for Ezell Aviation in Texas. They just flew a Corsair that was in a swamp for over 60 years.

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