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Username Post: 59 power steering hose routing and brackets        (Topic#352266)
stevelegel 
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07-31-18 03:40 PM - Post#2741592    

I'm doing a 59 el Camino. I had the steering gear box, control valve and cylinder overhauled. I kept notes of which hose end goes where. My car was likely worked on in the past and the hose routing is not secured. I've looked in both shop manual and assembly manual. What I'd like to see are photos of the routing.
On mine, the pump hoses go to the top of the control valve. It seems awkward that the hose would just lay across the pitman arm and cylinder rod. Seems to me the contact would eventually wear the hose. eh?



 




Jens 
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07-31-18 06:16 PM - Post#2741617    
    In response to stevelegel

They don't. Not a very good picture from the parts car. But they originally ran from the top of the control valve -to the top of the sway bar. And were suspended by a bracket on the front engine splash pan. And then to the side frame bracket. Then up between the frame and wheel well to the pump.





 
stevelegel 
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08-01-18 06:12 PM - Post#2741728    
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Thank you Jens...it is the perfect photo of what I need. I found the one bracket that the hoses route through in the box of loose unidentified parts, but I'll need to order the bracket that bolts to the splash shield.

May I ask also...I have detailed my bumper brackets and had bumpers rechromed. Is it better to install the bumper and brackets before the splash shield or does it matter?

And I have these two brackets I found loose in the car. The one with two hoops looks like it would wrap around the generator and hold the 2 hoses. The other looks like it belongs on an inner fender to hold hoses there, I have both heater clamps installed on passenger side. Do you have any guidance on the use and position of these other two clamp/brackets?




 
stevelegel 
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08-01-18 06:17 PM - Post#2741729    
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need help uploading photos. I sent paypal for silver membership



 
stevelegel 
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08-01-18 06:31 PM - Post#2741733    
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I also don't have a front anti sway bar. I have the 2 rubber bushings and the clamps for them, but no other sway bar components, or where they bolt up



 
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08-01-18 07:04 PM - Post#2741738    
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Normally takes Tony a couple of days to get informed of your payment.

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Jens 
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08-01-18 07:35 PM - Post#2741739    
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  • stevelegel Said:
Is it better to install the bumper and brackets before the splash shield or does it matter?I would completely assemble the bumper and valances and brackets and then install bumper unit on the frame -less the fender extensions and corner braces and do the splash shield last.

And I have these two brackets I found loose in the car. The one with two hoops looks like it would wrap around the generator and hold the 2 hoses. The other looks like it belongs on an inner fender to hold hoses there, I have both heater clamps installed on passenger side. Do you have any guidance on the use and position of these other two clamp/brackets? No upper brackets for the PS hoses they just run up the inside of the fenderwell to the pump.











 
stevelegel 
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08-01-18 08:02 PM - Post#2741742    
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thank you again for the guidance.

What shape is the anti sway bar on your parts car? do you want to sell and ship it?

Where does it bolt up?

Catalogs have the sway bar rod kits and bushings



 
stevelegel 
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08-02-18 09:43 AM - Post#2741772    
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Jens < I need the PS hose bracket from that splash shield too. Are you selling parts?



 
Jens 
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08-02-18 02:51 PM - Post#2741797    
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  • stevelegel Said:
I also don't have a front anti sway bar. I have the 2 rubber bushings and the clamps for them, but no other sway bar components, or where they bolt up


As to the second part of your question. The sway bar is bolted to the lower part of the frame and lower control arm attachment. Happy to help with questions here but send a PM for any parts help thanks.







 
stevelegel 
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08-02-18 07:36 PM - Post#2741824    
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59cheviac 
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08-03-18 03:01 AM - Post#2741838    
    In response to stevelegel

If your car was originally a 6 cylinder, you wont have the ears on the lower control arms for sway bar attachment. You would have to change to V8 control arms.



 
Jens 
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08-03-18 06:30 PM - Post#2741899    
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Ya Cheviac I often wondered why they didn't include the sway bar as standard equipment on the 6 cyl as well.

Especially since it weighs more the than 283. Musta been those thrifty GM bean counters -hard at it again.


The lower picture looks like the heater hose clamp that mounts on the fenderwell -but it's bent the wrong way. The upper photo I haven't a clue.



 
59cheviac 
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08-04-18 03:05 AM - Post#2741918    
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Chevy used a similar looking clamp (first photo) on later big block starters. The large loop, IIRC, went around the starter, and the smaller loop held the starter wiring harness. It kept it out of the way of the exhaust manifold. Never saw one on something of 59 vintage, though.



Edited by 59cheviac on 08-04-18 03:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
stevelegel 
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08-05-18 07:37 PM - Post#2742063    
    In response to 59cheviac

It's like being a detective, with old cars and unknown history and you guys have helped a lot.

so I learned my car was originally a 6 cyl
from info on the sway bar
I had found out it has a 64 "283" transplant from when I had the carb overhauled and the fuel pump and fuel line routing is different from the 1959 "283"

It makes sense that the double ring bracket goes on the starter for that wiring harness

I did find the oval style poer steering hose bracket and I will try not be messy taking off the hose ends to reroute them.

NOW, I am fighting the reassembly of my front bumper and brackets and bolts! I thought I had done a good job bagging and tagging things, and I have the assembly manual (tiny detailed drawings) but no step by step instruction. So assembly has been trial and error and cleaning and detailing hardware as I go. It's been at least a decade since the tear down. (any body else know that song?). So as I try different assembly steps, I write down the instruction, then cross it out and start over. I also find it hard because I'm mostly on my own, and everything is awkward and heavy to hold, align and bolt up..and so it goes.



 
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08-06-18 12:26 AM - Post#2742074    
    In response to stevelegel

If you buy an aftermarket sway bar like the 1 inch Addco, they come with brackets that can be bolted to the lower control arms. Otherwise find a lower control arm with the brackets on them.

I'd recommend the 1 inch Addco, I have one on my car. I didn't use the brackets, you can have mine if you want them. Look them up on say Summit.

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Delray_58 
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08-06-18 05:31 AM - Post#2742077    
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  • DonSSDD Said:
I'd recommend the 1 inch Addco.

Don



That's the route I went. Easy installation by drilling a hole in each control arm to install the brackets.

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Jim Anselmo 
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08-24-18 10:14 AM - Post#2744237    
    In response to 59cheviac

Our 59 Impala was an original 235 car and it had a sway bar on it....




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