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Username Post: 52 Bel Air Steering        (Topic#351864)
Humpbackshooter 
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07-04-18 05:01 AM - Post#2738907    

Morning Gentlemen. I have a 52 B.A. that the steering has a lot of play in it. I am in the process of removing it as I write this. But I have not gone too far if I need to stop. The reason I believe I need to rebuild this sector is because the adjustment screw on the side is all the way in and I can't make any more adjustments. After studying DZauto's post about the rebuild, I feel like that is the direction I need to go unless there is something else I should try 1st.. Would that be a correct statement? Any feed back would be great appreciated.
Thanks,
Hump



 

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Shepherd 
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07-04-18 05:06 AM - Post#2738908    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

Welcome to CT. Have you checked all the steering linkage for play, lots of joints to consider. If all good, then the gear box is next.



 
2blu52 
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07-04-18 07:17 AM - Post#2738927    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

If you feel that the steering has been adjusted to the limit (sounds like it is) then a rebuild is needed. Finding a new or usable worm and sector may be nearly impossible. Rebuilding the box with new seals and bushings may help but if there is excessive wear in either the worm or sector then you will need to look for replacements.

"PEACE IS THAT GLORIUS MOMENT IN HISTORY WHEN EVERY ONE STANDS AROUND RELOADING"

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RAM_51 
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07-04-18 07:18 AM - Post#2738928    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

The Third Arm can be a problem point. When under the car, have someone turn the wheel from side to side. If you see this pumping up and down it needs to be rebuilt and once done can take substantial play out of the steering wheel.

Attachment: Third_Arm.jpg (977.11 KB) 7 View(s)




1951 Fleetline
'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
'53 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red)
'50 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-04-18 10:44 AM - Post#2738945    
    In response to RAM_51

thank you all for the responses. "51"...the 3rd arm did have some play in it, but it was from the bolt that holds it in place. Speaking of this bolt, is there suppose to be any washer top & bottom here. Cause there was none.
As far as the other parts of the linkage....they seem to be tight. No slack in any of these.
Looks as if I need to keep going and tear into this steering box and see what surprises I have.
Again, thanks for ya'lls input. It is much apprechied.

Hump.



 
RAM_51 
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07-04-18 11:54 AM - Post#2738949    
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  • Humpbackshooter Said:
Speaking of this bolt, is there suppose to be any washer top & bottom here.


No washers...this is what the shop manual states as far as installation goes:

11. With the lower bolts tightened securely, remove upper bolt and check space between front suspension cross member and bracket at upper mounting hole with a feeler gauge. Maximum allowable space at is .008". If space exceeds .008" add shims to bring space into allowable limit.

I assume what they are saying is that since this pin rides in an straight line...like a king pin or any hinge really, you are not to tighten the third arm in a such a way to alter this straight line axis. Bottom line...no washers but shims were used to maintain axis of the the third arm and pin.

1951 Fleetline
'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
'53 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red)
'50 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
Sir X Loin 
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07-05-18 07:50 AM - Post#2739044    
    In response to RAM_51

I had a ton of play in my 51. I rebuilt the whole front end including the center link, it still had some play in it. Some slight adjustments on the tension screw on the box and it steers perfect. Don't mess with the box until you have done the whole front end.

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1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe


 
dsacton 
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07-05-18 11:37 AM - Post#2739069    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

Looks like you've already put it back together, but with the third arm off, it is a good time to replace the oil pan gasket if it needs it. Sure makes it a lot easier to get to.



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Humpbackshooter 
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07-05-18 01:39 PM - Post#2739084    
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"51"....thanks for that info. I will have to check the clearance and see what I have. I feel like it will be a little more than whats allowed.

Sir X....the front-in seems to be tight. But there is still play, So I'll do the box and see what comes from a rebuild.

Thanks,
Hump



 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-05-18 01:40 PM - Post#2739085    
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I'll try and up load a few pics later.

Hump.



 
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07-05-18 04:52 PM - Post#2739111    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

Hi Humpbackshooter, welcome. If you find your steering box is badly worn, then consider finding a good 53-54 box as they are interchangeable but are an improved design and had the option for indicators.

Cheers kiwi

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mahlmann 
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07-06-18 06:49 AM - Post#2739176    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

I don't know if you have considered this or not, but I picked up a '54 steering column and gear box for very little $ and it has roller bearings in the column and built-in turn signals, which I thought were worthwhile upgrades. It turned out to be less $ than rebuilding my worn-out '50 gear box.

Good luck with yours!




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Las Cruces, NM
'50 Tin Woodies (two) Ramon and Willard
'58 Impala Sport Coupe
'69 El Camino SS-396
'07 Ford F150 to haul parts for above
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2blu52 
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07-06-18 01:36 PM - Post#2739211    
    In response to mahlmann

A rare find!

"PEACE IS THAT GLORIUS MOMENT IN HISTORY WHEN EVERY ONE STANDS AROUND RELOADING"

THOMAS JEFFERSON


 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-06-18 02:08 PM - Post#2739214    
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Well, that didn't work. I got to try again on the pics.



Edited by Humpbackshooter on 07-06-18 02:09 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-06-18 06:24 PM - Post#2739230    
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O.k. I have the box apart. It looks as if the worm is worn. But how do I tell how much is too much. The worm is wedge shaped. Is there any measurements that I can make to see what's what? The bearings look good. The bushings shine like a new penny. Races are not scored or pitted (same for the bearings)
Still working on the pics😩

Hump



 
Keith_Knox 
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07-06-18 09:54 PM - Post#2739250    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

Posting photos. https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?t...

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1948 Chevy Fleetmaster Coupe Purchased 6/2010. Stock with rebuilt 52 216 installed May 1966.
1946 Chevy 1/2 ton pickup, stock. Purchased 11/18/17.
1962 Ranchero Purchased 4/2017 221 V8 Auto. Sold 9/20/18
2013 F150


 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-07-18 04:51 AM - Post#2739262    
    In response to Keith_Knox

[image]https://photos.google.com/search/_tra_/photo/AF 1QipPqFIeyOq4ZhXLQp9lJ1rs yzgPRD9xDppkBeEuD[/image]

How does this look?



 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-07-18 04:57 AM - Post#2739263    
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[image]https://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipM1vplwHBd xI7k4_X6TuSa1Oc-riRZMWRHY xnpO[/image]


I don't think this is working either.




Edited by Humpbackshooter on 07-07-18 05:08 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
RAM_51 
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07-07-18 08:38 AM - Post#2739273    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

The internet address for you photos needs to end with .jpg. So I don't think you are copying the proper internet address before pasting between the "[image][/image]". If I take out the spaces that I put in the copy below, the "[image]" before and the '[/image]" after will dissappear and the .jpg photo will appear. You can click on the blue link and see the photo and the complete internet address.




[image]

https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7583/16035069216_04 d...

[/image]


This is what appears when the spaces are taken out and the proper internet address of the .jpg image is pasted between them:




1951 Fleetline
'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
'53 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red)
'50 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
raycow 
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07-07-18 10:11 AM - Post#2739280    
    In response to Humpbackshooter

It is unusual for the pitman shaft to run out of adjustment. Did you check for excessive play on the needle bearings inside the roller?

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-07-18 12:50 PM - Post#2739290    
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Ram......Thanks. I have been trying to move the pics to photobucket with no luck. I have a Google Images acct, but its new and still trying to figure it out. Works with my new Iphone 8. If I was teenager, all this stuff would be simple.

Raycow...this one has copper bushings in it.

thanks,
Hump



 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-07-18 01:11 PM - Post#2739291    
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Sorry....i was thinking about the box itself. As far as the pitman arm roller...its seems to be in good shape.

hump



 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-09-18 05:59 AM - Post#2739432    
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Humpbackshooter 
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07-09-18 06:00 AM - Post#2739433    
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got it. Now let me load a few more.

Hump



 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-09-18 06:06 AM - Post#2739434    
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How bad is this?



 
Keith_Knox 
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07-09-18 06:20 AM - Post#2739437    
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Thanks ram. I don't know much about this computer stuff. Just the link to Tony's post about pictures.

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2013 F150


 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-10-18 12:18 PM - Post#2739585    
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Edited by Humpbackshooter on 07-10-18 12:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-11-18 05:58 AM - Post#2739674    
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Maybe this pic is bigger

hump



 
Humpbackshooter 
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07-11-18 06:01 AM - Post#2739675    
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in the above pic....I put a light behind the 2 gears. If you notice, the edges are riding on the outer 2 sides. I feel like this incorrect. That the steering shaft worm is worned quite abit. Any replies will be help.

Hump



 
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07-11-18 12:17 PM - Post#2739704    
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I think that is how it is supposed to work. If the gears were contacting at the bottom of the groove, you would have side play. I know this isn't an exact comparison, but think about where a V-belt rides in its pulley. When it is down at the bottom, you have a problem.

Ray



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