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Username Post: 1963 Tilt Column        (Topic#350646)
msp177 
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04-16-18 08:08 AM - Post#2731152    

Does anyone know of an aftermarket tilt column that will work with a factory tach? I checked with Ididit and what they have will not work with the tach. Flaming River is promising but, there engineers are reviewing the measurements I gave them. Apparently there 3 on the tree works with the tach.

Any input welcome!



 
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Andy4639 
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04-16-18 08:24 AM - Post#2731156    
    In response to msp177

Here is a link for the one I found.
I have also been told if you space the column down at the dash mount it will clear the tach.


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msp177 
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04-16-18 08:50 AM - Post#2731164    
    In response to Andy4639

Thanks for all the info and link.

I would think you could shim the column down at the 2 moting positions to create more clearance for the tilt & factory tach for an aftermarket column but, you might run into issues with the horseshoe sleeve that marries the column to the instrument panel in the lower dash, i.e., lights ,vent, cig lighter, etc. Not sure about this but, have you or anyone else tried to install an aftermarket tilt in a 63 Impala that has a factory tach? If so, what column works?



 
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04-16-18 03:28 PM - Post#2731195    
    In response to msp177

Why don't you just use a factory tilt column?

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Andy4639 
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04-17-18 03:57 AM - Post#2731261    
    In response to BigDogSS

The tilt I used is a Chevy column that was modified into a tilt not a aftermarket one. I should have clarified that.


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msp177 
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04-17-18 10:24 AM - Post#2731286    
    In response to Andy4639

What did it cost? Who did it for you?



 
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04-17-18 03:20 PM - Post#2731324    
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I traded for it. I got a 64 tilt auto and some other parts that I didn't need so I traded it for them.


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1967 Ramp truck - 350/ 4 speed
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2008 LTZ Tahoe
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msp177 
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04-20-18 06:34 AM - Post#2731635    
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Do you know if the collar/sleeve on the tilt is the same as the non tilt? This is the part that screws into the column underside with 2 screws and is horseshoe looking at the dash above the lower dash filler.

Also, material it is made of? Sounds like plastic when you tap on it and the rest seems like pot metal too me.



Edited by msp177 on 04-20-18 06:35 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DonSSDD 
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04-21-18 07:41 AM - Post#2731744    
    In response to msp177

This is a black factory 63 Parisienne 3 on the tree column next to a tan 63 Impala 4 speed column, non tilt. Other than the trim piece at the dash (the Pontiac and Chev have a very different dash), the Chev and Pontiac Parisienne columns were identical, same parts and part numbers stamped on them. There are some small differences between the internals of the 2 columns but that is due to one being a 4 speed and one a 3 on the tree.
Below that is a stock 63 Parisienne powerglide tilt column which I am pretty sure is identical to a 63 Chev tilt, based on my experience with the black and tan columns. The fit into the dash I'd say is identical for tilt and non tilt.


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msp177 
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04-21-18 07:58 AM - Post#2731746    
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Thanks for all the info. Do you know what material chevy used on the 63 Impala collar? And do you know the thread used for the tilt lever?

M



 
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04-21-18 04:36 PM - Post#2731781    
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Pretty sure it’s pot metal.

The signal light arm and the tilt arm have the same thread. The signal light arm is the same as a 62 chev and the vette too, and likely earlier years that are threaded. The 63 non tilt is held on with a screw, not threaded.

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55Brodie 
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04-22-18 09:06 AM - Post#2731858    
    In response to msp177

Pot metal (cast zinc alloy). 1/4-28 threads on the signal stalk.



 
msp177 
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04-22-18 09:11 AM - Post#2731859    
    In response to DonSSDD

Working with a tilt column. I need the following information if possible...

1. Thread for the tilt & turn signal levers
2. Collar (the horseshoe looking end) material.

I think the lever threads are 5/16 - 18 and the horseshoe looking collar at the dash is pot aluminum (non-magnetic).

Does anyone know the OEM information on a tilt column with factory 7K tach?

Thanks,
M



 
msp177 
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04-23-18 09:36 AM - Post#2731924    
    In response to 55Brodie

Thanks 55 Brodie.

Do you know if the mast collar at the dash can be removed towards the bearing or do you have to remove it from the steering wheel down?

Appreciate your insights and input.

Thanks,
M





 
msp177 
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04-23-18 09:45 AM - Post#2731926    
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I have to repair a corner on this item. Perhaps you know the best way to do this?

Thanks,
M



 
55Brodie 
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04-23-18 09:54 AM - Post#2731927    
    In response to msp177

On my 62, the trim collar removes down once the column is removed. I'm not 100% certain about 63's. About the only repair I can think of involves JB Weld or a similar product.



 
msp177 
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04-23-18 11:10 AM - Post#2731934    
    In response to 55Brodie

Do you have a switch and cable on your 62 that needs to be removed?



 
55Brodie 
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04-23-18 03:21 PM - Post#2731956    
    In response to msp177

As best as I can recall just the switch needs to be removed and the bowden cable disconnected from the switch.



 
msp177 
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04-24-18 08:50 AM - Post#2732028    
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I was thinking the same thing. What is the purpose of the Bowden cable anyway? Does it operate the turn signal lever or the tilt?




 
55Brodie 
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04-24-18 09:00 AM - Post#2732030    
    In response to msp177

On a 62 the cable actuates the switch which is located about halfway down the column tube. I think 63 tilts are similar but different.



 
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04-24-18 02:24 PM - Post#2732054    
    In response to msp177

Maybe this will help.




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msp177 
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04-25-18 09:24 AM - Post#2732155    
    In response to turbo38s10

That's pretty cool, Thanks. I wonder if there is any difference between the column shift and the floor shift models? The pamphlet doesn't mention floor shift models.

Does anyone know the answer?

M



 
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04-25-18 10:34 AM - Post#2732164    
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I have had someone who was knowledgeable say there were no 63 manual shift tilt columns for Chevy, only the powerglide.

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msp177 
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04-25-18 01:54 PM - Post#2732182    
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Yeah. I pulled the powerglide in favor of a 3 speed automatic.



 
Andy4639 
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04-25-18 05:02 PM - Post#2732200    
    In response to msp177

I was told no power Glides with floor shifter had tilt wheel columns.
Only column automatic where tilt.



1956 Bel Air - LT-1/4l60
1964 SS Impala -350 crate/powerglide
1967 Ramp truck - 350/ 4 speed
1971 C 10 - 6.0 LS / 4l80e 4:10 gears 30 years owner
94 Elderado
2000 S-10
2008 LTZ Tahoe
2011 Treverse


 
blkss64 
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04-25-18 08:02 PM - Post#2732217    
    In response to Andy4639

The tilt column debuted in mid 1963 production as an extra cost option.
It was available on Impala and Bel Air models.
Chevrolet made two tilt columns only.
A floor shift version was available, with a 4speed or powerglide. A column shift powerglide style was also available.
Power steering was required.
No tilt column was available for a 3spd column shift car.
There are slight difference between 63 and 64 tilt columns.
The outside diameter of the mast jacket is slightly larger on 64 models




 
Andy4639 
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04-26-18 07:52 AM - Post#2732242    
    In response to blkss64

This is a factory tilt column I had and traded for the one I have now.
Some measurements on it also.
Over all length.





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1956 Bel Air - LT-1/4l60
1964 SS Impala -350 crate/powerglide
1967 Ramp truck - 350/ 4 speed
1971 C 10 - 6.0 LS / 4l80e 4:10 gears 30 years owner
94 Elderado
2000 S-10
2008 LTZ Tahoe
2011 Treverse


 
msp177 
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04-27-18 05:32 AM - Post#2732352    
    In response to Andy4639

Thanks! Good to know.



 
msp177 
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05-09-18 11:10 AM - Post#2733515    
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Does anyone have a diagram or pics of the inner working/parts showing the turn signal cancelling cam, horn wire, steering wheel hub and wheel? I'm making sure I have all the parts for a 1963 Tilt floor shift model.

Thanks in advance.
M



 
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