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Username Post: 409 car or not?        (Topic#349642)
Carl1962 
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02-13-18 12:50 PM - Post#2724271    

A friend of mine has found a car he is told used to be a 409 car. The engine is long gone but the other clues appear to be there. The dual fuel lines, fuel sender and ballast resistor.

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DonSSDD 
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02-13-18 07:08 PM - Post#2724304    
    In response to Carl1962

Where built? trim tag pic? Tach and what is the rpm of it ? Fuel line I assume goes under control arm? Holes in fenders for "409"?



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Brian64SS 
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02-13-18 07:31 PM - Post#2724307    
    In response to DonSSDD

Looks good (and familiar). The hole directly below the ballast resistor is where a connector goes to wiring for the back-up light switch mounted to the shifter of a Muncie 4-speed.

Brian
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Verne_Frantz 
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02-13-18 08:25 PM - Post#2724312    
    In response to Brian64SS

The original return line is there. The firewall indications are not there. Probably a real 409.
Verne



Edited by Verne_Frantz on 02-13-18 08:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Carl1962 
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02-13-18 11:35 PM - Post#2724329    
    In response to Verne_Frantz

Thanks gents, the cowl tag for this car is inconclusive when it comes to the codes for a 4-speed as my research indicates that other plants used codes for 4-speed or powerglide, but St Louis only used codes that relate to long or short console for an SS, not transmission.

The guards had the holes where the 409 badge would be, but the dash is gone. I haven't seen a floor photo.

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Brian64SS 
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02-14-18 05:42 AM - Post#2724338    
    In response to Carl1962

I should have stated the back-up light switch mounts to a bracket that attaches with two of the side cover bolts. It has linkage to the shifter but doesn't exactly mount to the shifter.

Based on the frame alone, I was going to guess it's a St. Louis car

By the way, is this Australia, being a left hand drive car?

Brian
1964 Impala SS, 283 (not original), 4-speed (26 years)
1964 Impala 4-door hardtop, 283 Powerglide (3 years)
They made a million but I only have two.


Edited by Brian64SS on 02-14-18 05:46 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
beagrizzly 
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02-14-18 10:20 AM - Post#2724368    
    In response to Brian64SS

Muncie in a 64? I thought they came out in late 65, and early 66.
Shouldn't a 64 have a Borg-Warner T-10?

I may be mis-remembering. After all, I am old.
Griff

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threeimpalas 
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02-14-18 10:51 AM - Post#2724373    
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  • beagrizzly Said:
Muncie in a 64? I thought they came out in late 65, and early 66.
Shouldn't a 64 have a Borg-Warner T-10?



The Muncie 4-speed was introduced during the '63 production.

Mike
'58-62s and 348/409s


Edited by threeimpalas on 02-14-18 10:51 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DZAUTO 
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02-14-18 10:58 AM - Post#2724374    
    In response to beagrizzly

  • beagrizzly Said:
Muncie in a 64? I thought they came out in late 65, and early 66.
Shouldn't a 64 have a Borg-Warner T-10?

I may be mis-remembering. After all, I am old.
Griff

if you're gonna be a bear.............



The B-W T-10 was replaced by the Muncie in mid-63 production ----------------- about Feb 63.
The 63 Muncie (1/2yr) was sort of a unique, one of a kind Muncie. Some people consider the 63 Muncie a weak 4spd -------------------- It is not! Although, it did have some very unique features, it was a good transmission, and when properly rebuilt by a VERY KNOWLEDGEABLE rebuilder, it is just fine.
Thus, the ONLY 4sp in mid-63 to early 70s full size Chevys was the Muncie.
In 66, SOME low-perf GM cars got the cast iron Saginaw (NOT used behind hi-perf engines), and in 75, the Muncie was replaced by the B-W SUPER T-10.



 
Carl1962 
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02-14-18 12:42 PM - Post#2724391    
    In response to Brian64SS

The car is in the US, the fellow asking questions is a friend on facebook. Thanks to everyone for all the help.

Cheers, Carl.

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Brian64SS 
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02-14-18 05:01 PM - Post#2724419    
    In response to Carl1962

I was assuming it's a '64, but it's obviously a '63 so might not be a Muncie based on DZAUTO's reply. It looks to be a first week of February car so right around that cut-off date for T-10/Muncie. My '64 has a 10-spline output shaft where this one also obviously has more. Maybe the driveshaft is from a different car with a PowerGlide or the hole wasn't for back-up light switch wiring.

Keep us up to date on what your friend decides to do with it.

Brian
1964 Impala SS, 283 (not original), 4-speed (26 years)
1964 Impala 4-door hardtop, 283 Powerglide (3 years)
They made a million but I only have two.


 
stingray caretaker 
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03-04-18 06:50 PM - Post#2726441    
    In response to Brian64SS

Even if it turns out to be an original 409 car ........ it doesn't have the engine it came with. Looks pretty rough in terms of bringing it back from salvage condition. The amount of cash & labor to even get to driver status is overwhelming. The few facts pointing to a production 409 option certainly could be added to a complete clean rust free body. No paperwork is the big downfall for authentication . What would be the big difference in value, a small block car with a period 409 engine or a possible once upon car with a replacement 409 ?
Many of the original correct cars of this nature are hitting the auctions. I believe the huge values have crested and the coaster is on the down hill track. As far as a project, ... great. I nice hobby if your hands on but most of us want a value for what one has invested as interests change and time moves forward. Convincing a buyer of past history with pages missing clouds rarity. If you look at todays society many want a classic body with modern drive trains. The LS engines are reliable, the automatics flawless. Drive anywhere with great performance and fuel mileage while enjoying the designs of yesterday. I have gone and still have the restoration mental attitude but the next few are drivers. Original fuel injected and early production big block Corvettes should be treated as factory rebuilds due to their production numbers and remaining examples.



 
Carl1962 
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03-04-18 11:17 PM - Post#2726456    
    In response to stingray caretaker

My friend who I was talking to about whether this car was an original 409 did eventually buy it. Apparently the guy who owned the land that the car was on is selling the property and clearing everything out. My friend bought the car before it got crushed. I'm not sure what his plans are, but it's better than it being turned into half a dozen new Hondas.

Cheers, Carl.

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Aussie_Chevy_Nut 
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03-06-18 05:03 AM - Post#2726615    
    In response to Carl1962

Hi Carl,
I drive a 2005 Odyssey!
(When I am not driving my Impala.)
Very reliable.



 
Carl1962 
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03-06-18 12:43 PM - Post#2726669    
    In response to Aussie_Chevy_Nut

Ha - my wife's car is a 2013 Honda Jazz, that's how I know there's not much steel in them.

Cheers, Carl.

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