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Username Post: Sandblasting wheels        (Topic#349336)
PLS 
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01-26-18 07:28 AM - Post#2722177    

I am ready to sandblast my wheels but want be able to take them to the paint shop for 3 or 4 days so I'm trying to find out what to put on them to inhibit them from beginning to rust. Something that they can remove easily, like wash off or wipe off. Thanks in advance, Lamar



 




65_Impala 
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01-26-18 07:59 AM - Post#2722182    
    In response to PLS

Ospho or the POR15 metal prep will work. I'd recommend soak and then wipe off the surface and not just put it on and let it dry.

There is Axalta (Dupont) 5717s and 5718s. I think the first one is an acid to remove rust and the second other is a phoshoric acid to prevent future rust. You could probably just use the second one on a clean sandblasted surface unless you didn't get every bit of the rust blasted off. Find the info on how to use them and decide if that's how you want to go.



 
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01-26-18 08:58 AM - Post#2722197    
    In response to 65_Impala

Thank you for your quick reply. Before I got your reply, I thought, you dummy just call the paint shop . The guy there told me to use, I believe, what you were talking about, 5718s but if it was going to be just 2 or 3 days and I dried them off good and kept them dry he thought they would be fine and if they did get a little surface rust that they could handle that. I mentioned "dry them off", I will be using a sandblasting attachment for my pressure washer. Thank you for your reply. Lamar



 
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01-26-18 01:24 PM - Post#2722232    
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Have you thought about powder-coating the wheels? They will handle the blasting of the wheels for you.

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Edited by BigDogSS on 01-26-18 01:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
65_Impala 
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01-26-18 05:57 PM - Post#2722271    
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If that's what you're doing then I would dry them with a heat gun or something hotter. Make very sure the steel gets completely dry in a hurry.



 
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01-26-18 09:41 PM - Post#2722308    
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I'd ask the shop if they use some sort of metal prep that would remove any surface rust that may have developed in the interim before they shoot them. If so, I'd blast them and give them to the shop...let them handle it.

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01-27-18 10:19 AM - Post#2722347    
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Thanks guys for your time and help. The shop that painted the car will be doing the wheels and he told me to be sure and get them as dry as I could and without telling me the exact process he said that they could handle any rust that may begin between the time I blast them and the time that I got them to the shop. I had given the powder coat route a thought not only for the wheels but other items as well but decided to go completely original, long story. My build thread is in the ’58, ’59, ’60 section. Again thank you all, Lamar



 
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01-27-18 11:14 PM - Post#2722405    
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When I blasted the wheels on my 58 Corvette I used phosphoric acid (Rust Mort) got it from the paint shop. I painted them myself with a single stage paint I had mixed from the same shop. When I sold the car several years latter there were no signs of peeling or flacking, only chips from wheel covers. No rust.



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01-28-18 08:50 AM - Post#2722436    
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Lamar,
The problem is freshly sand blasted surfaces will start to rust again immediately even if it isn't immediately apparent with just the humidity in the air. The ideal solution is to coat them as quickly as possible and with something like an etching primer.

Other than starting to rust after blasting another area which needs attention is any place where surfaces are attached creating a seam between the layers. That creates a very tight area which you will never reach by sandblasting and further paint will not easily go to that area. So problem one is cleaning it to start with and then second protecting it. A friend of mine did his winter steel wheels and the seam area bled out rust. Very likely the best thing to do for that area is the phosphoric acid rust converter as others have mentioned (also a form of which is an ingredient in the etching primers).

Scott



 
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01-28-18 04:39 PM - Post#2722481    
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Recognize the places on the rims? Lamar

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01-28-18 09:06 PM - Post#2722515    
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Lamar,
I marked the photo to identify the places. A couple of comments. If that's one of the actual rims you want to use I would see if a rim/tire person can do something to check the rim and straighten it before doing any refinishing. The second point is other than those areas which I'm referring to that rim actually seems quite clean (corrosion free). I wouldn't spend much time blasting it. Most of it could be cleaned thoroughly and scuffed for new paint.

Those pinch points are really difficult to deal with.

Scott

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01-31-18 10:16 AM - Post#2722864    
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Scott thank you for your thought out and detailed reply, I appreciate it very much. These are my original rims and three of them are in really good shape for their age. The places on the rims that I alluded to were made by whatever I used to get the tire off the rim to repair a flat. As I said at that time I couldn’t afford the tires and also couldn’t afford the have a flat fixed so I would just roll back and forth over the tire to break it free or jump on it and usually end up scraping my ankles. I have ended up just taking the wheels to the paint shop this morning and I will let them deal with blasting and finishing them. I will post the results next week once I get them back. Again, thank you, Lamar



 
toro455 
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01-31-18 10:08 PM - Post#2722941    
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Lamar,
You're welcome :)! I don't think you ever mentioned what vehicle you were working on.

I remember driving one winter on tires which would make slicks look like snow tires because of the same reason you mentioned. I was going to a school where I could work as a co-op student part of the year. They even gave us a couple of paid vacation days. I remember phoning the student coordinator one semester from school and asking if I could take my vacation days while at school. He was baffled as to why I would ask that but I told him I didn't have any money to eat. I lived with 3 other people. We pooled our food money and often felt like we survived on the damaged produce drastically marked down at one store which would sell it. During that same time period I saw somebody changing a tire rolling over the sidewall with another car. I didn't stay to see how successful they were but you brought back memories

I look forward to seeing how the rims turn out.

Scott



 
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02-01-18 09:17 AM - Post#2722975    
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Sorry about that Scott, it is a 1960 Impala 2drht. Yea in the day we did what ever it took to survive.



 
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02-01-18 09:09 PM - Post#2723045    
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"1960 Impala 2drht" Nice, I love the Impalas



 
PLS 
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03-07-18 08:03 PM - Post#2726808    
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Got the wheels back today and the tires mounted and balanced I don't know if I will ever remember when I am going to post a picture on CT that I have taken with my phone to do it in the landscape position

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HERE I GO AGAIN, I DIDN'T TAKE IT IN THE LANDSCAPE POSITION WITH MY PHONE !!!!!!




 
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03-10-18 08:52 PM - Post#2727160    
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I'll roll it over for you. They look great!

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'51 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN (Fathom Green)
'51 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
'53 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red)
'50 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
PLS 
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05-02-18 03:50 PM - Post#2732884    
    In response to RAM_51

  • toro455 Said:
"1960 Impala 2drht" Nice, I love the Impalas


Thanks Scott, here's what they are on. https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?ti...










  • RAM_51 Said:
I'll roll it over for you. They look great!



Thank you Ram, I finally figured out how to rotate pictures if I goof up, Lamar








 




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