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Username Post: Complete S10 Swap?        (Topic#348977)
HotRodg57 
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01-02-18 04:44 PM - Post#2719809    

Hi guys, haven't got anything done on replacing the floors in the "new" 52 yet, as I'm still recovering from my ankle surgery I talked the wife into taking the truck for a ride the other day, and as she let out the clutch to back up the driveway it kinda popped and went into neutral, I thought, but it was still in gear and running. I guess we lost the clutch? The pedal feels fine, the free play is good, the truck just doesn't move in any gear. Ok so now I think I need a clutch, but I don't really like the way the truck drives and handles anyway, so now I start thinking I can pick up a complete good running s10 with all the modern goodies for a couple grand. Has anybody done a complete body off swap? Your thoughts and suggestions would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Mick53 
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01-02-18 08:55 PM - Post#2719839    
    In response to HotRodg57

I think is's doable but do you want an s-10 or a classic truck?



 
0utlaw 
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01-03-18 08:32 AM - Post#2719869    
    In response to HotRodg57

Hold on.... I have 40 Ford pickup and I was unhappy with everything about it. It didn't steer well, brakes were poor and ride was poor. And it had a dog 283 with 3 speed standard. So.... I'm not fussy about being correct...and the 40 was far from correct anyway.
So.... I picked up a power brake 76 S10 with a bad motor, but never hit, and took it down to the frame. Taking careful measurements, I thought it was very doable. But.... plenty of work and engineering required. (Depends on what you want.) I set up a built mild low compression Chevy 400 with a 4.71 blower running 3% over crank speed, welded in motor mounts, B&M Turbo 400 ( new mount) and a cleaned up Dana 70 Sure Grip with 3.55 gears by welding on new pads.(easy) The driveshaft out of the 40 was good as is (think 47). All this done before suspending the body over the frame. ( I had to recess the firewall 5 inches in the center.) I mounted the cab on rubber bushings bolted to two lengths of heavy angle blocked up on wood. Then cut and welded connectors to the S10 frame. With radiator space very limited, I mounted the radiator and 2 electric fans behind the cab. The stock Chevy water pump works as is pumping through 2 lengths of conduit. I used sheet scrap sheet metal to build a bottomless bed, homemade running boards
(hides the fenderwell headers and exhaust system) and got a free pair of 36 Ford rear fenders (widened). I used a B&M 2100 stall converter, B&M ratchet shifter, had to build a brake pedal out of 3 pedals.
You have to adapt many things get this to work and be ingenious too.
It is a build that I never regretted. Not exactly pretty. It starts, runs, rides nice and drives great. And very fast too.Great brakes too. That frame can take a bunch of abuse..you might want to box it in places (nothing fancy) for extra strength. I used the s10 brake booster and master cylinder.
I run no inner fenders and put on a hood occasionally. So...it can be done. It's my Wife's favorite toy.
This is a video by 37Spiker 2015 show at Hampton Beach, NH Kingpins show. Bring it to 15.37 and that's my truck...rather rough looking, but sure is fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKJwcRPhR4o

Best of luck.



 
Keith_Knox 
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01-03-18 10:10 AM - Post#2719873    
    In response to HotRodg57

Google s10 frame under Chevy pickup shows several.
Had some links of people that made kits, but they don't work anymore.
My son still has my 92 S10 extended cab that I bought new. It is no longer running. Planning on donating it.

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monty56 
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01-04-18 10:01 AM - Post#2719971    
    In response to Keith_Knox

Check out Code 504

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someotherguy 
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01-04-18 10:18 AM - Post#2719974    
    In response to monty56

  • monty56 Said:
Check out Code 504


Looks like interesting stuff.

If the prices induce sticker shock, consider how much effort and cost you'd put into designing and making your own pieces like this.

Richard

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HotRodg57 
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01-04-18 01:04 PM - Post#2719999    
    In response to someotherguy

Thanks for the thoughts and suggestions guys. I am really getting confused on which way to go Lots of different ideas and options I should just replace the clutch and throwout bearing, and leave it alone What to do, Oh what to do
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Bel Air kiwi 
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01-04-18 09:56 PM - Post#2720049    
    In response to HotRodg57

Hi Roger, You may have snapped a rear axle shaft as that is not uncommon, they are just old. It would feel like no clutch as the diff center will just spin and not drive.

Lots of folks have dropped our cabs onto S10 frames and you can probably buy kits still but it makes the truck useless.

Some of the things that are wrong with this swap. The front end isn't that great and is still a steering box not rack, the box is on the wrong side of the suspension, and you have to build a new front clip mount for the radiator guards and hood.

The front track is too narrow and the rear frame kicks up so much you have no load space in the tray. It's a low buck low quality way to upgrade the truck.

There are some car clips and fronts that fit as well as aftermarket ones and My favorite the Jag. Plenty of stronger rear ends will also fit.

I have Jag front, Dual pot vented disc with power rack, 305 V8 and Ford 9" center in a Holden one ton diff. All on a stock chassis.
What actually suits your needs is dependent on what use you want it for. The more you can tell us about that the more we can help.

Cheers Kiwi



48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 01-04-18 10:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Mick53 
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01-04-18 10:24 PM - Post#2720057    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

I like to get all the ideas I can and then decide. In the end it's your truck and your money, do what you want. I get a lot of flack about my project on other forums. But in the end it's my ..........



 
Bel Air kiwi 
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01-05-18 07:09 AM - Post#2720083    
    In response to Mick53

Hi Mick, I would have to concur, but as a retired GM product engineer I feel it is one of the least viable and most compromised version you can make from an AD pickup.

As you rightly say its a matter of preference, but if you want similar ride quality to an S10 and limited rear tray space it makes a lot more sense to buy an EL Camino.

Is it a truck or is it a trailer/coupe he wants?

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


 
WagonCrazy 
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01-05-18 07:35 AM - Post#2720086    
    In response to HotRodg57

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I should just replace the clutch and throwout bearing, and leave it alone



If you want to drive the truck alot in 2018, then do the minimal repairs and get it on the road.

A frame swap leads to a massive domino effect. if you want to dump 10K into the truck, and still not have it painted....go for a frame and engine swap.

But if you spend 1K on the clutch repairs and other minor stuff, and 9K on getting it painted and upholstered, then you have a very clean truck that you'd enjoy looking at and driving alot.

This all depends on how much of a project you want to get yourself into, your resources, and space for it while it's in tear down mode...

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Mick53 
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01-05-18 08:06 AM - Post#2720089    
    In response to WagonCrazy

For me there was no question about keeping the original frame, Leaf spring suspension and straight axle. It is part of the romance of the 53. Properly set up leaf springs are a good handling suspension. In the long run it would be far less money to buy a chassis with 4 link and ifs than to make things like custom front spindles to accept Wilwood 6 piston brakes. I think it's the journey as much as the destination. but that's just me. It would not take much to jack up the back and play around with the drive train to maybe figure out where the problem is. Best of luck. I'm not at the level that most people here are on this forum but will help in any way I can.



 
HotRodg57 
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01-05-18 11:29 AM - Post#2720112    
    In response to WagonCrazy

Thanks for all the thoughts and ideas
Now I'm leaning on keeping her stock and original The truck is just going to be used for local driving around town. I like having an old classic truck to cruise around in, and I won't be taking her on any long trips. I guess I need to find out exactly what my problem actually is, then I can decide which way to go. I'll keep ya'll posted.
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Bel Air kiwi 
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01-05-18 09:02 PM - Post#2720173    
    In response to HotRodg57

Hi To test if its clutch or axle just put the rear up on axle stands. If you put it in gear with the handbrake off turning one wheel buy hand should make the other spin backwards. Diff and Axles working.

Or start it up and pop the clutch in gear and one wheel at least should spin, if not both. If the wheels don't spin then it can be from the clutch, gearbox or torque tube.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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jktucker92 
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01-08-18 12:13 PM - Post#2720443    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Has anybody looked into using the Trailblazer / Colorado chassis. I remember looking up spec's and the trailblazer was closer in track width and wheelbase. As a bonus, the trailblazer uses an inline 6 engine, which probably fits better under the hood. A friend of mine has a '55 1st series that had the frame cut up for a poorly implemented small block conversion and never finished. Often thought about putting a modern frame under it instead of sourcing a '55 frame.



 
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01-09-18 12:47 AM - Post#2720529    
    In response to jktucker92

jktucker92 Well actually I did the research looking at a '59 Apache Long Bed and they actually make a kit for using an '87 frame. Pretty easy and fairly cheap as frame swaps go...HOWEVER as my friend Wagoncrazy states there is a Domino effect you will want to be aware of. The old change one thing and deal with three other things. Yep this hobby is a ton of fun.
After considering ALL the possibilities I have moved on and am now looking at a '69-'73 Long Bed instead. More modern suspension and brakes with direct off the shelf bolt on upgrades available all with still having classic looks. Also an LS conversion is an almost basic drop in.
FYI my reason for a Long Bed is to be able to tow my Harley without the need for a trailer. and be able to have a bed for the occasional construction project.

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WagonCrazy 
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01-09-18 10:58 AM - Post#2720561    
    In response to HotRodg57

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I guess I need to find out exactly what my problem actually is, then I can decide which way to go.



That's what I'd do Rodger. Keep it simple for now. Just keep it roadworthy and enjoy driving it around SoCal.

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Bel Air kiwi 
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01-09-18 07:18 PM - Post#2720617    
    In response to WagonCrazy

Hi Monty, that 506 adaption kit looks a bit too much like Meccano, being all bolt on, for my build tastes. But as you noted there is an awful lot of engineering included in that kit price.

It could make a great beginner project as the truck still seems functional.
However there are also aftermarket bolt in front ends, rear, brake, motor and box kits, power steer, etc for the stock frame if that is still serviceable.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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HotRodg57 
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01-20-18 07:57 PM - Post#2721638    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

*Update* Turns out the front yoke of the drive shaft (inside the housing) snapped off
rear main is leaking and clutch is oil soaked Pressure plate needs resurfacing, also need trans mounts. Hopefully that will do it, I'll keep ya posted.
Rodger

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Boosted54 
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02-06-18 07:35 PM - Post#2723589    
    In response to HotRodg57

The S10 Chassis has a huge selection of aftermarket parts as well as ease of finding oem replacement. This one is a bit different direction than you are going but is based off of an S10 chassis. 4 linked, bagged, manual rack conversion.....


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Bel Air kiwi 
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02-11-18 09:18 PM - Post#2724126    
    In response to Boosted54

Hi Boosted, for that sort of application it would work, but that has still had the whole rear end re-done.
If I wanted a nice truck I would buy the whole frame aftermarket or stay stock. Morrison or similar.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


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Boosted54 
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02-11-18 11:47 PM - Post#2724131    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

The rear was linked for bags but easily could have been left with leafs. The entire s10 was $350. The frame, rear end, & trans was used for this project, the remaining s10 & 46 parts got sold or scrapped for a total of $250, so only have $100 into the doner.
*Art Morrison chassis rides great but at 15k to much
*Oem chassis rides, drives & stops not so good & to much money to make it better.
This chassis was modified in one day with 2 guys on it, super easy to work with & this set up rides waaay better than the oe.
From a financial standpoint this was an easy decision.


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Bel Air kiwi 
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02-20-18 03:37 PM - Post#2725014    
    In response to Boosted54

Hi Boosted, If I may use the term "rat rod" then for that application it works out cheap. But it is now a statement piece, not a functional truck.
That may have been exactly what was desired, however what you have now is no more functional than a "T" bucket with a roof.
I like heavily customized and rodded trucks but in truth they become "trailer coupes". For that niche an S10 frame is fine.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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Boosted54 
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02-20-18 10:57 PM - Post#2725063    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Kiwi,
I think there is a huge misunderstanding with the vehicle I posted a picture of. This vehicle like the last one we did will be a daily driver. The last one had been driven from Oregon to Oklahoma & back & continued as a daily until it was sold. I drive my builds, no trailers. It’s all good. It’s sometimes hard to have a conversation via the web.

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someotherguy 
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02-21-18 07:39 AM - Post#2725091    
    In response to Boosted54

I could be wrong but I think he meant it's no longer usable as a truck, that you would have to pull anything around behind it in a trailer. But I dunno if I'd agree with that, either. It may have lost some functionality in terms of a half ton truck, but you can still use it to haul quite a bit around.

I've heard the same about trucks I've lowered, installed larger wheels, etc. But I still continued to work them just the same. Obviously I'm not going to drive them off-road or through really harsh conditions, but I still worked them.

Richard

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Boosted54 
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02-21-18 09:55 PM - Post#2725154    
    In response to someotherguy

Ya maybe your onto something with my miss interpretation of the post, i can see what your saying. Thanks for sheding some light on this, im more of a to the point kinda guy rather than beating around the bush, not real good at reading between the lines.
With that said “Kiwi” this will be used by a contractor so will see some hauling & job trailer towing, of course not as much as the 1 ton company truck but still a capable hauler.

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Bel Air kiwi 
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02-22-18 04:47 PM - Post#2725263    
    In response to Boosted54

Hi Boosted, I like the truck the way its done, it screams Hotrod personality. But its not like grandpa's hay hauler any more.

There is one featured in our latest hot rod magazine which is a 47-48 cab and metal on a Toyota crew cab 3.0 Turbo diesel. Very showy truck with full body and lots of subtle custom body tricks and big diameter wheels. Sits quite low

Still runs the turbo diesel and trans but moved back about 7". Rest of the mods were mainly body like longer tray and running boards rather than chassis change.

I think the chassis is quite late model and it apparently drives very well.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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