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Username Post: radiator support to frame spacers, 1960        (Topic#348935)
PLS 
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12-31-17 01:28 PM - Post#2719546    

First of all, Happy New Years!! I have a question pertaining to the spacers between the radiator support and the frame. I have the carriage bolt and the square washer that goes on top but could someone with a ’59 or ’60 maybe take a picture of what is between the support and frame? I have an assortment of spacers but just not sure what goes where. Any help would be appreciated. Lamar

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12-31-17 07:15 PM - Post#2719592    
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Hi Lamar. I took very detailed pictures of mine when I blew it apart. I hope these help.

First picture is a close up of the way it looked when I tore it apart. You will see only one of the rubber bushings in the first picture as the other was still stuck to the radiator support when I pulled it off.

The second picture the spacers or shims. My passenger side had 4 shims while my driver side only had 2.

The third picture are the new rubber bushings that I ordered.

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12-31-17 07:21 PM - Post#2719594    
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The last picture is my detailed list of all of the bolts. I tore my assembly manual apart and put the sheets in clear protective covers. I made notes throughout the whole book with a fine tip sharpie on sizes of bolts, nuts, washers, etc and the finish that I believe they had. I wrote my notes on a separate piece of paper on this because there was not enough room.

I hope this helps.

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12-31-17 08:35 PM - Post#2719603    
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Thank you, Brandon, that’s exactly what I was looking for!! I’m pretty sure that I have the shims/spacers but will order some of the rubber ones. I disassembled mine 40+ years ago, probably didn’t have a camera and didn’t think to write anything down then plus I didn’t think at the time that I would be still working on it 40 years later. I have a ton of pictures now since I began to work on it again back in 2011. Again, thank you and happy new year. Lamar



 
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01-01-18 12:13 PM - Post#2719682    
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Hi , the stack of washers determines how the gap lines up between the fender edge and the door edge , if you want nice even gaps between the panels you'll remove or add washers depending , unless you doing correct resto , i just use heavy flat galv washers from the hardware store and paint them black ..



 
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01-01-18 05:10 PM - Post#2719715    
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Thank you for adding that info. I hadn’t thought about why the shims were used except maybe to align something up front but didn’t think about them effecting the gap between the fender and door edge. In Brandon’s post he indicated on his drawing that there were 4 shims on the passenger side and 2 shims on the driver’s side so now that makes senses. I was going on with Brandon about not having a camera, I did have one but apparently didn’t use it too much. The picture that I attached was taken around early 1970’s. I’m surprised that I have been able to find most everything that I removed from the car. Usually if I don’t know what something looks like that I need and someone here on CT sends me a picture of it I can usually find it in my “boxes of stuff”. I am trying to return the car back to the way it was the day that I purchased it, September 10, 1962. Thank you again, Lamar

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01-01-18 09:17 PM - Post#2719741    
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Hi Brandon, I know that it is difficult to explain in words how hard the rubber cushions are but I may be able to pick something up at my local hardware store if I knew about how hard they are. How much can you compress one between your fingers, that is if you haven't already installed them?



 
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01-02-18 03:42 PM - Post#2719803    
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Lamar , i haven't owned a 59/60 but what i've seen from 61-64 they don't use the rubber washers so you could probably do the same and just run the steel washers, Larry



 
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01-02-18 06:22 PM - Post#2719823    
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Lamar the old ones are hard as a brick if you can imagine after being so old. The ones I picked up from Lutty's are pretty hard themselves. It's not like door weatherstrip that is soft. They are pretty rigid. I guess the use of the rubber over a typical steel washer may be that the front ends wouldn't squeak going over a large bump. You might could find something at a local hardware store to make them out of. If you look at my pic of the detailed sizes of the bolts the actual size of the rubber is on there. The sizes are in inches. You probably could make one using a hole saw. The reproductions I bought are a little bit larger in diameter than the originals. I bought new ones because one of my bolts was rusted to the square washer on the top.



 
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01-02-18 08:10 PM - Post#2719834    
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If you have an old tire with enough sidewall I think if you used a hole saw you could use that and it would be pretty close to what you need. Maybe even a Semi truck or an 8/10 ply truck tire to give you a little thickness.

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01-03-18 11:15 AM - Post#2719880    
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I think even tractor trailer mud guard cut would work.

the set I have for my 58 the rubber isolators appear to have a fiber weave through the center.

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01-03-18 02:51 PM - Post#2719895    
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Thanks a bunch guys. To get it close to being correct so that I can get the fenders on I am just using steel washers like cowfarmer but will be able to change them out before the grill goes in with something like what has been suggested. Again thank you very much, Lamar



 
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01-27-18 10:02 AM - Post#2722346    
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Ok, got the rubber spacers, well actually made them. I picked up my tires from Coker Tire in Chattanooga, Tennessee this past Tuesday and while rounding up the old tires and wheels I remember Ragtt66 had suggested maybe cutting some from a tire side wall. Since I had worn the tires down to the correct thickness I cut them from the tread side. You might think, what tread after seeing the tires . One of my grandsons commented, pawpaw you didn’t ride on tires that slick did you and I told him that back then I was 10 foot tall and bullet proof and besides I couldn’t afford tires and had to get as many miles as I could out of them and then I could only buy one at a time and besides these were my racing slicks Of course, I had a family car and this one was for working. Anyway, hope these will work and again thanks for all your input. Lamar

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01-27-18 10:23 AM - Post#2722348    
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good job on making your own rubber spacers.

I'll be Frank, this hobby isn't getting any easier.
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01-31-18 07:17 AM - Post#2722835    
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I'm thinking that it was totally worth driving on US MayPops just to get the right rubber thickness for your radiator bushings 30 years later.
Now, that's funny...............I agree with your grandson.
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01-31-18 11:49 AM - Post#2722870    
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Hey Griff, it was fun and you know what I probably never gave the maypops a second thought unlike today I wouldn’t go to the end of the driveway on something like that. To calculate the correct thickness of something that I didn’t realize that I would be needing, more like 40+ years later, was difficult to do back then with no calculators and I didn’t know how to use a slide rule. I also agree with the grandson now and if he was to be driving on something like that I would tell him the same thing that he told me. I left a little rubber along US 80 in Texas with four trips across it in ’62 and ’63 while I was stationed at NAS Miramar, Ca. I would get on US 80 in San Diego and then some other Hwy at Yuma, AZ then back on US 80 some where in New Mexico and stay on it until Jackson, MS then on to Atlanta. The last tag that ran on the car which is a 1968 is still in the tag holder, I have the 1969 tag and it is still in the plastic it came in. I probably stopped driving the car sometimes very early in ’69.

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