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Username Post: 59 Coupe cowl and serial numbers        (Topic#348922)
ozzie7 
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12-30-17 04:10 PM - Post#2719459    

Hi Folks,
I was looking at a very very old thread... link down below at the bottom... and thought maybe some one could help me with an Impala I'm looking at.
I'm trying to figure out if the vin and cowl tag are a match... see pic link.
The vin is hard to see but it's F59L 224812
Pic link:
https://imgur.com/oO0Uf19

Thread link:
https://www.chevytalk.org/fusionbb/showtopic.php?ti...
If Raycow see's this he may have some insight.

Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks, Ozzie



Edited by ozzie7 on 12-30-17 04:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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ragtp66 
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12-30-17 07:39 PM - Post#2719478    
    In response to ozzie7

Not 100% sure what your asking but here goes

VIN:
F-1800 Series V8
59- year 1959
L- Los Angeles Built
224812 - sequential Vin number ---the 224811th built at the LA Plant as all plants started at 100001.

Trim Tag:
59-1837 = 1959 2 Door Hardtop Sport Coupe
Body VN19108 = Los Angeles Body the 19108 doesn't mean much without a build sheet to tie it to. Has no relation to vin number.
TR852 = Turquoise cloth & vinyl interior
Paint 914A Crown Sapphire
EZI = tinted glass
IP = Padded dash

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ozzie7 
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12-30-17 08:07 PM - Post#2719480    
    In response to ragtp66

Thanks ragtp66.

Just wondering if the numbers appear to be legit.

So if there is a build sheet, what kind of info would the 19108 number reveal?
Does it pertain to something like body/interior options or drivetrain/mechanical options?

Did you mean that the car was the 124,811th one built since they started at 100001.

The original sales receipt from the dealer indicates the car was purchased first on 8/24/59.

The suffix code ends with 717FE
I think there should be T0 in front of that but I couldn't tell because the stamp was light on that side.



Edited by ozzie7 on 12-30-17 08:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
raycow 
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12-31-17 12:27 AM - Post#2719498    
    In response to ozzie7

The FE in your engine code means it is a 335HP 348 (3 x 2 bbl) with a manual trans.

Ray

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Verne_Frantz 
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12-31-17 12:32 PM - Post#2719540    
    In response to ozzie7

That body number would fall right in place with that VIN. And it is an original cowl tag.

Verne



Edited by Verne_Frantz on 12-31-17 12:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
ozzie7 
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12-31-17 11:25 PM - Post#2719615    
    In response to Verne_Frantz

Thanks Verne for the info.

Anyone have any comment about how the 19108 number on the cowl tag relates to the build sheet as ragtp66 mentioned?
Does the number on the cowl tag just match a number on the build sheet?
And without the build sheet it's of no use.
Or can something from the 19108 be interpreted?




 
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01-01-18 05:03 AM - Post#2719619    
    In response to ozzie7

You are not likely to find a build sheet and there is no source for them if it can't be located in the car.
To determine if this car is "as built" is virtually impossible without the build sheet or original paperwork from when the car was sold. All you can check is casting numbers and date codes on parts on the car. Post pictures of everything on the car here and you can likely determine if what you can see is original looking.
An all original and documented car with original paint and interior may be worth a bit more than one without documents but not always a lot more. It depends on the car.

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Verne_Frantz 
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01-02-18 08:53 AM - Post#2719768    
    In response to ozzie7

The body numbers did appear on the build sheets. Each STYLE of body had their own sequential numbering from Fisher Body. IE: Impala Sport Coupe, Biscayne 4dr Sedan, etc, regardless of whether the car was built as a V8 or 6cyl. All STYLE numbers used the V8 style, 1200, 1600, 1800 series.
The body number has no "direct" relationship to the VIN, but it would be "relative" to the VIN. In other words, by VIN 123456, the plant would have been up to a certain number of each body styles.
If you've recorded enough cars from one plant, you can compare the body number to the VIN range of the car and either rule it out as a match or confirm it could be a match. That's how I could determine that the car you asked about probably has matching (born with) tags.

Verne

That car was the 19,108th '59 Impala Sport Coupe BODY built at Van Nuys (Los Angeles). And it was the 124,811th full size '59 Chevy built at that plant. It was built near the end of July, a very late car.



Edited by Verne_Frantz on 01-02-18 09:01 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
ozzie7 
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01-02-18 02:25 PM - Post#2719794    
    In response to Verne_Frantz

Thanks to all who replied.
I think I have a better handle on the numbers now.

The only strange thing I noticed is there appears to be a J punched through the cowl tag on the edge near the center bottom.
It's noticeable in the pic I sent you Verne in the PM.
And in my link up at the top of this thread.



Edited by ozzie7 on 01-06-18 06:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Verne_Frantz 
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01-02-18 03:29 PM - Post#2719801    
    In response to ozzie7

I'm not sure exactly what the stamped J is for. They show up on many tags. Sometimes they mean something but in your case, it might just be a random inspector's stamp.
It's certainly nothing to fret over.

Verne




 
ragtp66 
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01-02-18 08:54 PM - Post#2719838    
    In response to Verne_Frantz

Verne,

Is the J punch mostly on 59's or other years and multiple plants or just LA? I cannot remember what car whether it was GM or not that at one time had a recall that the technician was supposed to punch a hole like from a scratch awl through either the vin tag or the trim tag after the recall was completed. For the life of me I cannot remember what particular car it was for. Just wondering if the J punch might have been something similar.

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1987 Sea Ray Pachanga 22
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Verne_Frantz 
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01-05-18 03:31 PM - Post#2720139    
    In response to ragtp66

Well, they didn't have recalls back then. They had suggested "fixes" for the dealers to perform on sold cars in the event of complaints.
As for the "J", I'd have to look through all my records to see if I can find another one. I'd guess the J was only used at that plant.

Verne



 
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01-05-18 11:18 PM - Post#2720182    
    In response to Verne_Frantz

FYI, I have 37 tags from 59's, four of which are from Van Nuys and one of these - an El Camino - has two J's stamped at the bottom of the tag. So that's two out of five tags (including yours) that have the J. I've also got five 1960 tags from Van Nuys and three of them have either one or two J's punched in them. None of the 170 tags I have from Van Nuys in 61 or 62 have numbers punched in them, but about half of the 68 tags I have from 1963 have an I punched in them in the top left corner.

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Russ 
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01-08-18 10:35 AM - Post#2720434    
    In response to Carl1962

Hmmm. This got me thinking. I've got a March 1959 Impala convertible from Van Nuys. It has the punched J on the bottom edge.



 
BSL409 
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01-17-18 05:48 PM - Post#2721322    
    In response to Russ

I also have a 1959 Kingswood that was built in LA
and has the J at the bottom of the cowl



 
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