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Username Post: Oil Filter ?        (Topic#348379)
super_cheyenne 
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11-25-17 06:35 AM - Post#2715649    

What brand & part number are you guys using in your original external oil filter ??

I'm using a Napa Gold #1004 but it seems a little too tall . Gasket fit good .
Any ideas ? Thanks
This is on an original 216

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzZQaU uAUs...


Edited by super_cheyenne on 11-25-17 09:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 

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11-25-17 07:51 AM - Post#2715655    
    In response to super_cheyenne

I used Napa Gold 1006 in a fram filter. I seem to recall a problem with one cross referenced filter being a little to tall. I think is may have been for the cars equipped with the AC filter.

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11-25-17 07:58 AM - Post#2715656    
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the Gold #1006 is taller than the Gold #1004
127 mm vs 122 mm
That would be even worse in my case.
thanks

https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0BzZQaU uAUs...


 
super_cheyenne 
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11-25-17 09:41 AM - Post#2715668    
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Well I'm about stupid , I do use a Napa Gold #1006

Finally found the lid from last years box

Is there a way to delete an entire post ?

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11-25-17 10:21 AM - Post#2715672    
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The post can be deleted, but it has some good information in it.

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11-25-17 10:43 AM - Post#2715673    
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Seeing as we are talking filters what filter goes in a 261 full pressure Oiler?

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11-25-17 11:38 AM - Post#2715684    
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This one? I am away for Thanksgiving till next week, but I've got the info at home and will post it if no one else does before then.



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11-25-17 07:46 PM - Post#2715724    
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Thatโ€™s the one!
Albeit fancier then mine, is that chrome or just very nicely polished?
As usual looks great
Please tell me thatโ€™s not the housing you found stuck in the mud at the wreckers years back?

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11-26-17 05:28 AM - Post#2715751    
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Hi VDP, The later 261 is not a full pressure oiler, it has full filtration. All the post 53 engines were full pressure.

Some had no filters, some had accessory bypass only filters, and all late (58-ish) 261 engines had full oil filtration.

When you put a full filtration filter on an engine you need to ensure that the cartridge is large enough to meet the filtration requirements without adversely affecting flow and pressure.

You also need to consider if it needs an anti-drain valve, and that is location and filter type dependent. Try and avoid un-flowed fittings if possible.

If you mess with a later 261 and get the oiling wrong it will die in short order. If you put a cartridge filter up high on the engine or firewall then its far more likely to drain and cause dry starts.
Research your unit to make sure it has anti- drain back and the cartridge is big enough for the type you have.

As a sideline the oil pump is dry mounted, (above the oil) so it is vital the pickup tube does not suck air.

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11-26-17 08:58 AM - Post#2715778    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

That's the same one Vandenplas. Here it is before I cleaned it up. I stuck the steel canister in an electrolysis tank and just buffed the cast aluminum on a buffer.



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11-26-17 09:02 AM - Post#2715779    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi VDP, The later 261 is not a full pressure oiler, it has full filtration. All the post 53 engines were full pressure.......



Kiwi, I don't understand what you are saying here. Are you saying the later 261's have dippers to supply splash lubrication to the crank? Because mine doesn't.

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11-26-17 05:02 PM - Post#2715826    
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I got my lines crossed kiwi I meant full filtration
Iwith All the talk of full pressure etc. I got confused ๐Ÿ˜

Anyways I have a full flow filtration 261 and I have the same housing that rrauch posted
I also have a Hildebrant aluminum filter canister, sharp looking unit, looks like it taks a cartridge but it takes a modern spin on filter.

The pick up for the oil pump is submerged in oil , right?
Not sure that I know of any engine where the oil pump itself is submerged in oil.

Either way you are correct in mating the correct oil filter to the application/engine

Have had a lot of older vw engines ( 80โ€™s-90โ€™s) come to the first shop I worked at that had oil changes done a quickie lube places and put cheap non check valve filters on and the engines were noisy on start up.

Now from factory the oil filter housing were mounted on the intake manifold , would this be the correct level or not for a non check valve oil filter ? Did Chevy even have check valves in the cartridge filters?

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11-27-17 03:04 PM - Post#2715954    
    In response to VANDENPLAS

Hi VDP, yeah I got it mixed up in the term's too.
All the later engines are full pressure oiling, only the dippers are not. So the 216 and some early 235, I think?

That housing Robert has is a good size canister, and it looks like it may have an anti drain back valve. Though it could be a pressure relief bypass.
It should not be mounted off angle to discourage drain back. Modern cartridge style ones can if you use the right cartridge. They have a rubber flap under the top plate to resist back-flow.

When I was fitting filters two of the big three were using drain backs and one not. Normally if the cartridge is horizontal then its needs drain back.
Later model engines usually kept the oil pump to filter length as short as practical to ease the dry start issues.

Cheers Kiwi


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Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 11-27-17 03:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 

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