Sauceman
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12-22-16 04:22 PM - Post#2667334
Hey troops!
Got another one in the shop, a 1964 BelAir sedan. This thing is a bare bones base model, 250 six, 3 on the tree and radio delete. No power steering or power brakes lol!
I should have the rest of the parts in tomorrow so we can get started on this cream puff! She needs lots of work, floor pans, braces, inner and outer rockers, dog legs, rear 1/4 patches, fender patches, body mounts, frame repair and new kidneys.
At the owners house,
At the shop,
cheers
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12-22-16 07:33 PM - Post#2667380
In response to Sauceman
What the plans for the engine/trans? These old babies can still be a lot of fun when they've got their 6-bangers.
1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster.
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stingray caretaker
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12-22-16 08:55 PM - Post#2667393
In response to Sauceman
Good to see another X frame getting a new lease on life. I ran the full circle tracking down a 63. Looking for additional parts I never realized how hard these cars are to find in running condition. Living in the midwest doesn't help longevity. With the popularity increasing hopefully more reproduction parts will come available. Nice find !
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Sauceman
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12-23-16 03:56 AM - Post#2667419
In response to rrausch
What the plans for the engine/trans? These old babies can still be a lot of fun when they've got their 6-bangers.
All stock!
cheers
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stingray caretaker
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12-23-16 06:23 AM - Post#2667435
In response to Sauceman
With the new master cylinder and spark plugs ................ it appears this is a recent daily driver. Paint looks original with associated patina. Like potato chips, you can't just have one. My antennas are up for another. Maybe a thin top or a pre sixty five super sport. Convertibles in rebuildable condition have already hit the roof.
Can't wait to see the progress shots and information. I learn everyday on this forum.
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rrausch
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12-23-16 07:12 AM - Post#2667447
In response to stingray caretaker
All stock! Outstanding!
1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster.
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Verne_Frantz
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12-23-16 09:48 AM - Post#2667475
In response to rrausch
All stock! Outstanding!
Ditto!
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rrausch
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12-23-16 03:09 PM - Post#2667547
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True story from 1965. One of my High School buddies drove his dad's '63 4-door, 250, three on the tree. We ran all over the countryside in that car. About that time I started dating the daughter of a neighboring town's sheriff, who owned a '62 Pontiac Grand Prix. And the sheriff, seeing that I was an outstanding young man,  let me take his daughter out on dates in the car from time to time. One night she and I were out in her dad's car, and we ran into my buddy in his dad's '63 4-door and we headed out of town... we came to a long stretch of straight road and he tried to pass me. I let him get alongside and then I stomped the gas pedal... no cars were coming for the next two miles. I slowly pulled ahead and then HE STARTED GAINING ON ME. He outran me on the top end in that '63 Chevy 6-cyl. 
1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster.
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gofastwclass
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12-23-16 08:35 PM - Post#2667597
In response to rrausch
Nice.
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Verne_Frantz
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12-24-16 10:55 AM - Post#2667673
In response to rrausch
True story from 1965. One of my High School buddies drove his dad's '63 4-door, 250, three on the tree. We ran all over the countryside in that car. About that time I started dating the daughter of a neighboring town's sheriff, who owned a '62 Pontiac Grand Prix. And the sheriff, seeing that I was an outstanding young man, let me take his daughter out on dates in the car from time to time. One night she and I were out in her dad's car, and we ran into my buddy in his dad's '63 4-door and we headed out of town... we came to a long stretch of straight road and he tried to pass me. I let him get alongside and then I stomped the gas pedal... no cars were coming for the next two miles. I slowly pulled ahead and then HE STARTED GAINING ON ME. He outran me on the top end in that '63 Chevy 6-cyl.
Overdrive car?????
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stingray caretaker
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12-24-16 11:49 AM - Post#2667685
In response to Verne_Frantz
The sheriff was no dummy. He put a throttle stop on the linkage. He knows kids and wants to keep his wheels safe.
389s in 62 were over 300hp ( base engine ). That car should have had some good performance ......... or were you distracted ???????
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Tri5man
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12-24-16 02:32 PM - Post#2667716
In response to stingray caretaker
Outrunning that Pontiac with a Chevy 6 sounds pretty fishy to me. I'd have to see it to believe it.
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rrausch
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12-24-16 07:32 PM - Post#2667738
In response to Tri5man
Verne, it could have been an overdrive car. My buddy Dean held things close to his vest and could have had O.D. on it and not told us just to impress or confound us. Truthfully I don't know if it did or not.
Stingray C., that is possible. Besides being a sheriff, he also owned a garage/gas station in town. He lived in a nice house out in the country, on their ranch, and certainly was proficient in the use of tools.
It was hard to get distracted in that Grand Prix, because of the center console--she couldn't sit next to me like we both liked.
He had horses--he and his wife and daughter all were trail riders--and he towed a horse trailer with the Grand Prix. I have also thought it possible he had a higher-than-normal rear-end ratio for towing. Whatever the reason, the Grand Prix ran out of steam around 90 and Dean went right on past me.
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12-24-16 07:46 PM - Post#2667739
In response to rrausch
The sheriff also owned a small salvage yard in the same small town, and sold me a wrecked '56 Pontiac along with a '46 Chevy panel truck that had no engine or trans. I pulled the entire drivetrain out of the Poncho and put the rear end under the panel truck in our driveway. The engine and Hydramatic I put in, in High School Ag Shop, on a day our teacher was away. I later put a TriPower set-up on the engine. I bought the Tri-Power for $30, I didn't even have to rebuild the carbs and just bolted it on. Those were the days! I was drafted into the Army in 1970 and when I got out I found that my older brother had given the panel truck away.
1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster.
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Brian64SS
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12-25-16 05:30 AM - Post#2667757
In response to Verne_Frantz
Stock. Great!!
Brian
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12-25-16 09:00 PM - Post#2667866
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Nice to see another 64 4 door getting some love 
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stingray caretaker
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12-25-16 09:32 PM - Post#2667868
In response to rrausch
The sheriff also owned a small salvage yard in the same small town, and sold me a wrecked '56 Pontiac along with a '46 Chevy panel truck that had no engine or trans. I pulled the entire drivetrain out of the Poncho and put the rear end under the panel truck in our driveway. The engine and Hydramatic I put in, in High School Ag Shop, on a day our teacher was away. I later put a TriPower set-up on the engine. I bought the Tri-Power for $30, I didn't even have to rebuild the carbs and just bolted it on. Those were the days! I was drafted into the Army in 1970 and when I got out I found that my older brother had given the panel truck away.
Is your brother still living ? That would be cause for some very physical consideration.
I completely rebuilt a 20s coupe for my dad. My older brother some how got the title and it disappeared. Needless to say he doesn't get a Christmas card.
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Red64SS
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 12-26-16 05:54 PM - Post#2667960
In response to stingray caretaker
If you want a cool 64 2-door project, checkout mine in the sale section.
64 Impala SS AC convertible 66K mile survivor.
Almost identical to the 1st new car I bought in 1964
64 Bel Air 2-door sedan 327 w/factory AC (project) For Sale
2007 Silverado 2500 diesel
1957 Thunderbird
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Sauceman
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01-12-17 05:00 PM - Post#2670821
In response to Red64SS
Ok back to the restoration 
I'll start with a pic of one the handiest tools in the restoration trade, my plasma cutter!
Some of the new parts waiting installation,
Floor pans getting removed,
The frame looks worst than it really is, it's actually pretty solid, just a few issues behind the rear axle,
This is about a 1/4 of the shop space, pretty much all availble floor space is occupied 
The underside of the trunk is MINT, not touching it at all.
More surgery,
most of the floor is now removed,
Starting to work on the inner rockers,
They are pretty bad,
The rear seat pan goes in before the floor so this will be prepped first after the inner rockers and braces,
Building a new lip for the inner rocker to attach to,
The inner rocker will sit on this lip and the floors sit on top of that,
The front section of the rockers will need some minor fabrication,
The pile so far, still have to remove the seat belt anchors and rear seat hold downs so nothing gets thrown out!
until next time!
cheers
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01-12-17 06:06 PM - Post#2670840
In response to Sauceman
Interesting. Keep the info coming.
Nice garage and work area.
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dcairns
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01-12-17 08:36 PM - Post#2670870
In response to Sauceman
I find that pad on the inside of the trunk lid interesting. I don't recall seeing that before, although your's does look original. Anyone, know if that was some sort of option? My 64 just had some glue daps between the trunk lid frame and outer skin, presumably to keep it from rattling.
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stingray caretaker
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01-12-17 09:01 PM - Post#2670876
In response to dcairns
Thought about a plasma but felt I didn't have enough work to justify. Between the acetylene tank and the cutting disks I have managed so far. How does it cut rusted metal ? I know a machine that cuts 3/8" and less would make some yard art projects finish quicker.
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01-12-17 09:03 PM - Post#2670878
In response to 56_Kruiser
Nice garage. Nice old Craftsman drill press.
1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster.
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gofastwclass
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01-13-17 01:45 AM - Post#2670895
In response to stingray caretaker
Wow Sauceman. That rust looks like the four door version of my car! I had to do a lot of fabricating to get mine to a point where I was able to weld the floors in. Nice work so far.
Thought about a plasma but felt I didn't have enough work to justify. Between the acetylene tank and the cutting disks I have managed so far. How does it cut rusted metal ? I know a machine that cuts 3/8" and less would make some yard art projects finish quicker.
Speaking as a man with a good quality plasma cutter (Miller Spectrum 375 Extreme) who just did a floor install... a plasma cutter is only as good as it's electrical potential. The heavier the rust and scale, the worse the cut. I can slice through new 3/8" steel like butter, but it wasn't as quick on heavily rusty floors as it is on the non-rusted or less rusted floor sections.
One great benefit to a plasma for this job is the fact that the unit is much neater than a torch. Plasma cutters are smaller, lighter and much more friendly to surrounding metal or parts. Overall the plasma is much safer to use and has a dead man switch that kills the tool when your hand isn't on it. With a plasma you also need a solid source for clean, dry air or you will be disappointed.
A torch still has it's merits and I use one for various jobs - mainly a heat source, but the plasma earned it's keep in my shop years ago. Once you use one (especially a good one) you will find it isn't the direct comparison you thought it would be.
If you're ever in the KC area, let me know...
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Sauceman
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01-13-17 03:59 PM - Post#2670995
In response to gofastwclass
Nice garage and work area.
Thanks!
I find that pad on the inside of the trunk lid interesting. I don't recall seeing that before, although your's does look original. Anyone, know if that was some sort of option? My 64 just had some glue daps between the trunk lid frame and outer skin, presumably to keep it from rattling.
Yes it looks factory and the last 64 Impala convertible never had it. I just find it hard to believe that the only option installed on this car was a trunk lid liner LOL.
Thought about a plasma but felt I didn't have enough work to justify. Between the acetylene tank and the cutting disks I have managed so far. How does it cut rusted metal ? I know a machine that cuts 3/8" and less would make some yard art projects finish quicker.
It cuts rusted metal just fine, no worries.
Nice garage. Nice old Craftsman drill press.
I like the old stuff, they just work. Here's my shop fridge, a 1934 GE that works great!
Wow Sauceman. That rust looks like the four door version of my car! I had to do a lot of fabricating to get mine to a point where I was able to weld the floors in. Nice work so far.
Thanks! Yes the top of the inner rockers and the fronts behind the fender will need some serious attention before I'm able to get the floors welded in.
cheers
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01-13-17 09:19 PM - Post#2671067
In response to Sauceman
Awesome refrigerator!
Are you going to replace the brake and fuel lines while the floor is out? I find it interesting how some of these cars have fuel lines running through the tunnel and others (seemingly the later ones) run around it.
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01-14-17 04:40 AM - Post#2671097
In response to gofastwclass
Awesome refrigerator!
Are you going to replace the brake and fuel lines while the floor is out? I find it interesting how some of these cars have fuel lines running through the tunnel and others (seemingly the later ones) run around it.
Through the tunnel was the 3/8 inch lines and was used on dual exhaust cars. All 348's and 409's were 3/8 line & dual exhaust, but factory dual exhaust 283's and 327's had the 3/8 line as well.
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Sauceman
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01-14-17 05:54 AM - Post#2671102
In response to gofastwclass
Awesome refrigerator!
Are you going to replace the brake and fuel lines while the floor is out? I find it interesting how some of these cars have fuel lines running through the tunnel and others (seemingly the later ones) run around it.
The body will be coming off the frame, the frame will be repaired as required, sand blasted and painted. So yes all lines will be replaced before the body sits back down
cheers
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stingray caretaker
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01-15-17 11:25 AM - Post#2671347
In response to rrausch
Nice garage. Nice old Craftsman drill press.
An eye for quality. I recently came across an older larger Delta drill press. Have a Craftsman but can't resist old world quality. As I recall Wards had a similar press " Power Craft " I believe. The newer generation except " Ellis " doesn't ring my bell.
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stingray caretaker
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01-15-17 11:31 AM - Post#2671349
In response to Sauceman
Saucepan;
You look quite experienced but approximately how many hours do you feel it will take to have it completed so normal body work will began.
Looking at it from another way the car should be almost a new 64 when metal crafted. It may seem expensive for labor and materials but replacement in a new " look alike throw away " isn't a bargain either. Thanks in advance. I know your concentrating on time involved.
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