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Username Post: Home Wiring Questions        (Topic#340986)
Charlie57 
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11-30-16 08:21 PM - Post#2664019    

I am adding a room in my attic, it will be about 280 sq ft. I have one spot left in the breaker panel, I would like to put in three ceiling lights and enough outlets that would meet or exceed any codes. What is the rules on outlet spacing. Can I run just one wire of 12-2 to cover all this?
Charlie

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CowboyTrukr 
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11-30-16 11:29 PM - Post#2664030    
    In response to Charlie57

Yes, you can, Charlie.

In my line of work I see hundreds of service panels every week from coast to coast. Send me a picture or your breaker panel with and without the deadfront cover in place. You may have some options you're not aware of.

Greg

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acardon 
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12-01-16 06:44 AM - Post#2664053    
    In response to Charlie57

Use LED bulbs for the lighting, a 20 amp breaker in the box and put the wall plugs on a 15 amp GFI outlet. I would use all 12 gauge/with ground wire.

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65_Impala 
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12-01-16 07:47 AM - Post#2664061    
    In response to Charlie57

A 15A circuit and 14/2 wire would work fine. I always go 6' from a doorway then 12' apart putting receptacles around a room.



 
acardon 
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12-01-16 09:52 AM - Post#2664074    
    In response to 65_Impala

I use 12 gauge on all wall outlets, because some girls are going to plug 2 1500 watt hair dryers and a curling iron into the same string, before the braker trips.
Or it could be because I have a 2 hp cut off saw, 2 hp table saw, and a jointer on the same circuit.

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raycow 
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12-01-16 11:28 AM - Post#2664090    
    In response to Charlie57

A 20 amp circuit wired with 12-2 w/ground will be adequate for the outlets and should conform to code.

However, if you are unable to install two breakers, connect the lights to one of the existing lighting circuits if at all possible. This way you will still have lights in the room if you should happen to trip the breaker for the outlet circuit.

Ray

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CowboyTrukr 
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12-01-16 10:34 PM - Post#2664169    
    In response to raycow

Square D Homeline single pole breakers are listed for use with two branch circuits. If you have a Homeline panel, You have more available options ban you think.

Greg

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raceman6135 
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12-02-16 10:50 AM - Post#2664218    
    In response to Charlie57

  • Charlie57 Said:
What is the rules on outlet spacing.



Code is that there must be one receptacle within 6 feet (1.8 meters) from any given point along a wall. This does not apply if the wall is 24 inches (0.61 meters) or less wide.

Also, a receptacle is required within 6 feet (1.8 meters) of the door opening.

And don't forget that the circuit must be arc fault protected:

  • NEC Said:
210.12(B) Dwelling unit family rooms, dining rooms, living rooms, parlors, libraries, dens, bedrooms, sun rooms, recreation rooms, closets, hallways - wiring methods require AFCI.





 
Charlie57 
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12-03-16 05:23 PM - Post#2664445    
    In response to raceman6135

Thanks for the replies, they are helping! I am posting pictures of the panel. I guess you call this a sub-panel, the main panel is outside.
It makes a lot of sense to run the lights on a separate circuit.
I will post some photos later but would like to try to tie into an existing circuit that has two switches and one light, would like to make it three switches and two lights.
Also should I drill holes through the studs and run the wire or just staple the wire to the studs like the rest of the attic.
[image]IMG_7198 by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]
[image]IMG_7203 by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]
[image]IMG_7202 by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]
[image]IMG_7201 by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]
[image]IMG_7200 by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]

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CowboyTrukr 
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12-04-16 12:08 AM - Post#2664485    
    In response to Charlie57

First, there's a group of three breakers, right side, near the bottom. Those are the arc fault breakers mentioned above. You'll need another one like them for the new bedroom.

Invariably you will likely have to pass between stud cavities. When you do, center the holes on the studs to prevent accidentally impaling the cable with a drywall screw. Most drywall screws are 1.25", but even if you use 1.5", you'll still be safe.

The "2 switches one light" setup sounds like a "three way" lighting circuit. Are you just intending to add this room to the same feeder? If so, be careful which cable you connect to.

There's a two wire one and a three wire one. Be sure to only feed from the two wire one. The three wire one is the common tie between the two switches that run the one light.

Greg

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Charlie57 
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12-18-16 03:39 AM - Post#2666571    
    In response to CowboyTrukr

Update.
I'm still plugging away with my project. I've made some progress and have some insulation up, most the wiring done. So here is my next questions.
Originally, you walked up about six steps to the bonus room now when you walk up those steps you turn and walk up 6 more steps into the new attic room. Currently there is two light switches, at the top and bottom of the original steps that control the same light for the steps. I want to add a light and a switch to the same circuit so that when you turn any light switch the light goes on or off. Can I do this and how?
Here is the original steps, the light switch is on the right and the light is on the wall.
[image]Untitled by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]
Here is the light switch at the top, it controls the light at the steps, a ceiling light and the ceiling fan.
[image]Untitled by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]
I want to add a third system and a second light on this wall. Any sugguestions?

[image]Untitled by Charlie Shew, on Flickr[/image]

And finally, I need to wire up my three new lights. I have wire individual switches for each light with one power source coming into the box. Now I need to find a source of power for the lights.

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raycow 
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12-19-16 05:40 PM - Post#2666853    
    In response to Charlie57

If you want three or more switches to control any light or group of lights, use "4-way" switches. These have 4 terminals and are wired like this:
http://www.how-to-wire-it.com/wiring-a-4-way-switc...

Ray

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Charlie57 
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01-01-17 03:46 PM - Post#2668888    
    In response to raycow

Hey Guys,
Thanks for all the tips, advice and information. I just got the 3 way switch installed and working. It was a little intimidating trying to find the correct wires but with your help I got it done.
Thanks,
Charlie

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Stinky 
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01-09-17 09:50 PM - Post#2670395    
    In response to Charlie57

Go talk to the "Code" people and verify what your code says.

Here, I think that it was an outlet no more than every 4', and the number on a circuit was limited.



 
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07-23-17 03:38 PM - Post#2701097    
    In response to raceman6135

Arc fault thankfully are not required in our area as they are pia

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