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Username Post: 65-66 "B" Body Ackermann Fix        (Topic#338617)
fmolnar427 
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10-09-16 01:45 PM - Post#2655681    
    In response to fmolnar427

The site I'm looking at like summit and jets...there the same...


Where is the best place to Huynh one?

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10-10-16 03:59 AM - Post#2655781    
    In response to fmolnar427

The major correction is in the Idler arm mounting position and centerlink configuration.......I just put on all 67 parts..........I know someone that just changed those two parts and it resolved the major issue..........maybe not a 100% factory, but it still works.........


Ken



 
fmolnar427 
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10-10-16 07:18 AM - Post#2655807    
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Well that's the way to go...at least .
So you the pitman the to....

I hope it's there...😨

Thanks Ken.

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bigbowtielover 
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10-10-16 10:24 AM - Post#2655838    
    In response to fmolnar427

'65-'66 pitman arm is flat. '67-'70 pitman arm angles upward. Idler arm angles upward as well for '67-'70. Mix and match will mess up the angles and cause problems.



 
fmolnar427 
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10-10-16 02:22 PM - Post#2655865    
    In response to bigbowtielover

Any good idea where to get a idler arm and pitman arm at a good price?.

I also need too lower ball joints , going to put to uppers in too.

Pulled the front end appart, putting an energizer front end bushing kit ,new coils and shocks alàl forward corners.

So be a good idea to put new ball joints in while I'm doing this cool upgrade.

Thanks guys....Frank

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fmolnar427 
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10-11-16 07:58 PM - Post#2656126    
    In response to bigbowtielover

Something is funny with my pitman arm...it flat but has a curve to the right.
And my steering box has four mounting hole, but only 3 are used, the one at the front clears the frame.
WEIRD?
Wor king on getting all. The parts...

I just might use the steering box out the 68 donor to.

Also,,if I get it line up...do I just use 67 Specks?

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fmolnar427 
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10-13-16 08:49 PM - Post#2656441    
    In response to kwhizz

Hey..

I picked up a 69 pitman arm and idler..
With a power steering box and centre link.


There like new...and I also got a 66 centre link with a standard steering box in the deal to.all for 70 bucks

Will the 69 stuff work OK?

Do I still need the spindle arm, there were missing.from the car.


Thanks Frank

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leon phelps 
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10-14-16 03:40 PM - Post#2656540    
    In response to fmolnar427

a quick look at o'reilly says they 65 and 67 use the same tie rods, so thats off the list of needs for the swap.

anyone else confirm this?



 
fmolnar427 
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10-15-16 08:29 AM - Post#2656663    
    In response to leon phelps

They look a bit thicker, but fit..the whole 67 front end is beefier...

From what I see.5

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fmolnar427 
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10-15-16 01:34 PM - Post#2656697    
    In response to leon phelps

Well I got all my parts...the spindle arms today.
Can't wait till its all together.

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300stw 
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10-17-16 12:17 PM - Post#2656994    
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wonder how this system will work with the corvette spindles ,disc brake setup, I bought a complete 4 door 67 yesterday just for the front end parts, for my 65 biscayne



 
VintageCarryall 
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10-17-16 03:24 PM - Post#2657021    
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  • 300stw Said:
wonder how this system will work with the corvette spindles ,disc brake setup, I bought a complete 4 door 67 yesterday just for the front end parts, for my 65 biscayne



If you decide to junk the remains of that 1967; unless it's a totally trashed heap, a LOT of its body/interior parts are 1967 specific and, people are looking for that kind of stuff.

Too; if your 1967's a four door hardtop, a 'Supernatural' fan might just take the hulk off of your hands.

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300stw 
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11-03-16 05:57 AM - Post#2659735    
    In response to VintageCarryall

it is a 4door hard top, and I picked up a 4 door post also,

what does supernatural mean,,,,

any new info on this upgrade, I don't want to tear my car apart yet, having to much fun driving it before "winter" gets here



 
toro455 
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11-03-16 02:43 PM - Post#2659804    
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The supernatural is a 1967 4 door Impala which is the car on TV show Supernatural. I've never watched the show but glad they selected a 67-70 big body. Seems like they made a few for the show but they are not destroying tons of them and in general seem to mostly be making these more popular. Maybe we'll actually get some real replacement body panels someday...

Here's a link with some details:
http://www.supernaturalwiki.com/index.php?title=Im...



 
bigbowtielover 
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11-06-16 09:24 PM - Post#2660274    
    In response to toro455

Series is filmed locally in my area. They have about a dozen built cars and a bunch of really wrecked stunt cars at their storage lot.



 
kwhizz 
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11-09-16 04:20 PM - Post#2660733    
    In response to bigbowtielover

The learning curve continues.......In swapping the parts over originally, I was so ecstatic with the steering corrections that I just accepted everything as is was.........and after driving the car on the Good Guys Road Tour this year and driving thru a highway construction zone and after hitting a dipped area at highway speed....I heard a scraping sound........Hummmm!!!.....When we got home I put the car up on the lift to change the oil and I noticed the center link had a scraped area on it.........so.....I then really looked at the install closer and noticed the center link was below the front cross member (remember that on the initial install I had to add additional mounting holes in the frame to accommodate the 67 Pitman Arm which was 3/4" lower than the 66 unit) See Pictures.....So.....I re-installed the 66 Pitman to raise the center link up.......and I installed the idler arm in the original holes which were set for the 66 Pitman arm......Perfect......Center link is now even with the bottom of the cross member......took the car today and got the front end aligned again......Drives perfect......So....If you are doing this swap I would just basically change the Idler arm assy and the center link......You can get by with the 66 steering arms.....(someone else did the swap with the stock arms and there are no problems doing it that way)........











 
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11-09-16 06:17 PM - Post#2660751    
    In response to kwhizz

kwhizz,
I am in the early stage of hunting up parts for the Ackermann correction on my '65 SS. I thought you said originally you changed the left & right steering knuckles also. Do the 65/66 knuckles need to be changed to the later design? Bill



 
kwhizz 
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11-09-16 06:25 PM - Post#2660756    
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  • vet65b Said:
kwhizz,
I am in the early stage of hunting up parts for the Ackermann correction on my '65 SS. I thought you said originally you changed the left & right steering knuckles also. Do the 65/66 knuckles need to be changed to the later design? Bill




Yes I did.........But since then I have met a friend that just changed the center link and the Idler arm assy..........Drives and steers perfect.....so.....Maybe changing everything over is overkill.........

Ken




 
VintageCarryall 
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11-10-16 05:47 PM - Post#2660930    
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I'm missing something here: I caught Kwizz putting the 1965-66 Pitman arm on and staying with the 1967-70 centerlink; the Idler arm has me confused. Did you mount the 1967-70 piece further up on the frame or.......

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bigbowtielover 
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11-11-16 11:38 AM - Post#2661051    
    In response to VintageCarryall

He has the arms mixed up...after reading the latest I got thinking....hey wait a minute. So....since I have a few '65-'70 B-bodies in my collection and was pretty sure the '67 arm angles UPWARD I had to check and it indeed DOES angle upwards like I thought. As far as steering arms go....I have seen interchange books list '65-'70 drum brake arms as the same. Disc arms are one inch longer. I have arms from both '65-'68 off the car so I'm going to compare them to find out for sure.



 
kwhizz 
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11-11-16 05:56 PM - Post#2661091    
    In response to bigbowtielover

The 67 Pitman arm I had definitely mounted the Center link "Lower" by 3/4".........But......I bought it off Ebay.........and accepted the seller word that it was correct for a 67.......who knows........It will only fit on one way........I didn't check the part numbers.....all I know is that it is now corrected........So.....I go back to the earlier recommendation to just change to the 67 Idler arm and 67 center link....

Ken



 
bigbowtielover 
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11-11-16 07:57 PM - Post#2661102    
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Well I have a yard full of these cars and the '67-'70 pitman arm definitely angles upwards and the '65-'66 ones are flat. I have 21'65s here and they are all the same. The 6 '67-'70 cars I have and also the extra '67-'70 front steering and suspension parts all have the angled up pitman arms. They angle up same as the idler does. The'67-'70 center link drops down noticeably more than the '65-'66 which is much flatter/straighter.



 
kwhizz 
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11-12-16 06:33 AM - Post#2661143    
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  • bigbowtielover Said:
Well I have a yard full of these cars and the '67-'70 pitman arm definitely angles upwards and the '65-'66 ones are flat. I have 21'65s here and they are all the same. The 6 '67-'70 cars I have and also the extra '67-'70 front steering and suspension parts all have the angled up pitman arms. They angle up same as the idler does. The'67-'70 center link drops down noticeably more than the '65-'66 which is much flatter/straighter.





Good Info..........Like I said........I was working with what I thought it was.......(eBay purchase).........I'll have to get the part # off the arm and check it out............

Ken




 
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11-17-16 06:04 PM - Post#2662069    
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BigBowTie was right.......I did not have the correct Pitman arm.......I assumed that the person that I bought it from knew what he was talking about so I didn't validate the arm......But...After looking at another one on eBay for a 67 I can see the one I got was not a 67 Pitman arm........Probably a 70 or later.....Sorry for the confusion......

Ken



 
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11-18-16 09:02 AM - Post#2662167    
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'67-'70 are same. '71-'76 are straight with a slight drop.



 
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12-17-16 07:40 PM - Post#2666534    
    In response to bigbowtielover

This sounds like something I need to consider doing. But after reading, I am a bit confused. Can you put together a simple description and parts required post?
It looks like the 67 centerlink and 67 Idler arm are the only parts needed?




Edited by Shmedly on 12-17-16 07:41 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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12-17-16 08:04 PM - Post#2666537    
    In response to Shmedly

I'm in the same boat.

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12-17-16 09:47 PM - Post#2666549    
    In response to Cleatus

Steering arms from '67-'70 as well. I have to check on that. I have '65-'70 arms so I should compare. I have seen interchange book listing '65-'70 as being same but in other listings it's different. I have a gm parts catalog as well so I can check part numbers.



 
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12-24-16 02:27 PM - Post#2667707    
    In response to bigbowtielover

Thanks. I would appreciate all the assistance you can give. I don't want to spend the funds if they aren't needed.



 
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12-24-16 11:31 PM - Post#2667744    
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  • Shmedly Said:
This sounds like something I need to consider doing. But after reading, I am a bit confused. Can you put together a simple description and parts required post?
It looks like the 67 centerlink and 67 Idler arm are the only parts needed?






Correct.......Those parts will correct the steering issues.........Not to factory 67 specs.....But......It will be a 90% improvement over what you have now........Just don't forget the 3/8" spacer between the idler assy and the frame.......

Ken




 
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