Gain extra benefits by becoming a Supporting Member Click here find out how!
Classic Performance Products Classic Parts
American Auto Wire Classic Industries
Join the Community todayDanchuk Catalog
Hellwig Products IncPerformance Rod & CustomEcklers AutoMotive
Nu-Relics Power Windows
Impala Bob's Bob's Chevy Trucks Bob's Chevelle Parts Bob's Classic Chevy



 Page 8 of 9 « First<6789
Username Post: '53 Bel Air conv Update        (Topic#336028)
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
12-19-18 10:37 AM - Post#2755018    
    In response to tommy49

Thanks. I don't claim to be a bodyman. The gap should have been addressed before I replaced the bad metal in the quarter and tail pan.

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy.



This is where I made my biggest mistake. With all the rear of the car rebuilt, I had not opened up this gap to where it needed to be.




This series of Chevy is frequently a challenge for panel fit. It was exciting to be getting it worked out.



John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 


eplantage 
Frequent Contributor
Posts: 2215

Loc: Southern MN
Reg: 03-15-04
12-19-18 10:39 AM - Post#2755019    
    In response to 40grit

So John, question for you. Is there a rule of thumb when adjusting gaps, whether it's a trunk lid, doors, etc., do you modify the lid itself or the body itself? I guess that each scenario would be different. Thanks, beautiful work.

Age: 65 at the moment
1950 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery
1953 BelAir Convertible Project
2002 Heritage Springer FLSTSI
1930 Model A Standard Coupe


 
Rustchips 
"8th Year" Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 1177
Rustchips
Age: 82
Loc: DFW Texas
Reg: 02-24-05
12-19-18 11:31 AM - Post#2755022    
    In response to 40grit

Excellent, outstanding work.
cleon

1928 Chevy Coupe
1942 Chevy Special Deluxe Coupe
1955 Chevy Bel Air HTP
1970 El Camino
1990 F##d Mustang Convertible

Life is like a roll of toilet paper the nearer the end the faster it goes.


 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
12-19-18 06:50 PM - Post#2755061    
    In response to eplantage

  • eplantage Said:
So John, question for you. Is there a rule of thumb when adjusting gaps, whether it's a trunk lid, doors, etc., do you modify the lid itself or the body itself? I guess that each scenario would be different. Thanks, beautiful work.



In this case the body was definitely the problem but in most cases it is the door or lid that would be modified because it is easier to grind off or weld on to the edge.

I have run a cutoff disc down a quarter panel 1/4" behind the door jam and welded it back to open up a door gap though.

The biggest thing is just not to be intimidated and do what you need to do. 3/16" or about the thickness of a stir stick works pretty well but I would rather my gap be slightly big as to push my luck and end up with a door, deck lid, or trunk chipping paint.

Patience is certainly the key ingredient.

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 
56sedandelivery 
Dedicated Member
Posts: 5644
56sedandelivery
Age: 68
Loc: Everett, Wa.
Reg: 02-26-08
12-22-18 02:07 PM - Post#2755296    
    In response to 40grit

"I don't claim to be a bodyman". I think there are a lot of "bodymen" who'd be envious of your work! You can work on my cars anytime. Can't wait to see this car finished; not they are ever really "finished". I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
12-22-18 02:44 PM - Post#2755300    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

You sure are right about them never getting finished Butch. My roadster after 14 years still needs the park brake connected. I have the handle and cables. Just lack the initiative.

Oh, the wiper motor is on the shelf too.

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
12-22-18 02:56 PM - Post#2755302    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

If I took a job as a bodyman, I would be fired the first week. Either that or the shop would be bankrupt in a few short months.

I am way to slow to do this professionally. But as I have said many times, my time in the shop is my afternoon on the lake or the golf course. It is purely recreational to me.

Thank you guys for the kind words though. It pleases me that there are those besides myself that are interested.

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 
50sChevys 
Frequent Contributor
Posts: 2127
50sChevys
Reg: 03-23-02
12-23-18 08:16 AM - Post#2755353    
    In response to 40grit

Very nice John, uniform gaps are often overlooked in restoration projects. It adds the finishing touch to a outstanding job.

Attachment: Door_Installation_005.jpg (294.22 KB) 22 View(s)






 
Bel Air kiwi 
Deceased Member RIP
Posts: 4558
Bel Air kiwi
Loc: New Zealand
Reg: 04-24-14
12-28-18 12:32 AM - Post#2755756    
    In response to 50sChevys

Hi Jack, It is sure as hell not something the industry ever worried about much, way back then.
Particularly if you were buying at the bottom of the market like a Ford or Chevy.

My 32 Tudor was an unmodified uncrashed stock bodied car. It's been built for years and the door gaps and the hinges have been reworked to tighten them up. But its still 1/4" plus longer on one side of the body from the other.

My original 51 sedan doesn't have very consistent gaps at all. I would be surprised if any stock factory build from that era did.

That said it does look good when they are all nice and consistent, but I would suggest that could double the number of hours to do a body restoration to that level. So I think it comes down to what you want on your own car, and what resources you have at hand.

I can't see an old Chevy being a contender at Pebble Beach, but then we can work to what ever standard we like and the Bills are not in the Millions.

There is a 59 impala up the road a ways that has an $80,000.00 paint job in the factory style.
A friends Glass 33 tudor has a $50,000.00 single colour paint job. Granted both cars have won national awards. That's Number one, not one of ten etc.

Cheers Kiwi



48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-14-19 01:27 PM - Post#2757353    
    In response to 40grit

I have started fabricating the inner fenders last week. These are roughed in with some light 22 ga junk metal. Once the details are worked out they will be transferred to some heavier 18 ga and some detail added with the bead roller.

John



Just Slightly Abrasive


 
hpva 
Contributor
Posts: 434
hpva
Age: 65
Loc: Kinderhook NY
Reg: 03-31-13
01-14-19 04:27 PM - Post#2757375    
    In response to 40grit

I would love to have that kind of skill.It doesn't`t matter how long it takes you if you are enjoying yourself that's all that matters.Great job.



 
eplantage 
Frequent Contributor
Posts: 2215

Loc: Southern MN
Reg: 03-15-04
01-15-19 05:29 AM - Post#2757419    
    In response to 40grit

Looks great!

Age: 65 at the moment
1950 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery
1953 BelAir Convertible Project
2002 Heritage Springer FLSTSI
1930 Model A Standard Coupe


 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-15-19 08:11 AM - Post#2757435    
    In response to hpva

How right you are HPVA. It would not be possible to complete a job of this magnitude if the time in the shop was not relaxing and enjoyable. This old car truly is my game of golf.

Thanks for the kind words guys.

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


Edited by 40grit on 01-15-19 08:12 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Idaho 
"10th Year" Gold Supporting Member
Posts: 480
Idaho
Loc: Upstate New York
Reg: 03-02-07
01-15-19 09:12 AM - Post#2757445    
    In response to 40grit

Well said! I need to remember that one!

1953 210 Chevy convertible, 1953 210 Chevy Handyman station wagon, 1957 GMC Suburban Carryall.


 
eplantage 
Frequent Contributor
Posts: 2215

Loc: Southern MN
Reg: 03-15-04
01-15-19 10:21 AM - Post#2757451    
    In response to Idaho

The best thing about that line of thinking is that you'll have something to show for your efforts, unlike other activities.

Age: 65 at the moment
1950 Chevrolet Sedan Delivery
1953 BelAir Convertible Project
2002 Heritage Springer FLSTSI
1930 Model A Standard Coupe


 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-15-19 02:27 PM - Post#2757471    
    In response to eplantage

  • eplantage Said:
The best thing about that line of thinking is that you'll have something to show for your efforts, unlike other activities.



True. Also, since I do my own work.(mechanical, body, paint, and upholstery) the hobby has paid for itself. I certainly don't support the family with my basement time but do cover cost of tools, parts, etc, etc.

I generally can build a car for about half it's market value. I do, however, always try to build a car that has market value which greatly helps. Let's face it, I can build the convertible just as easy as a four door.

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 
autorepairguy 
Poster
Posts: 11

Reg: 04-10-16
01-15-19 04:08 PM - Post#2757482    
    In response to 40grit

Maybe I missed it..... but what (or where)is the steering wheel from?



 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-15-19 06:27 PM - Post#2757498    
    In response to autorepairguy

  • autorepairguy Said:
Maybe I missed it..... but what (or where)is the steering wheel from?



The steering wheel is an early 60's Buick Riviera Grand Sport. I gave 50 bucks for it on a tilt column in about 1974 and put it in a 47 Ford convertible. I sold the car in 92 to a friend and he changed the column out to install an automatic trans. I got the column back and ran it and the wheel on my 36 roadster until a few years ago.

Long story short. This wheel and I kind of have a history together. At this point, I am pretty attached to it.

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 
Bel Air kiwi 
Deceased Member RIP
Posts: 4558
Bel Air kiwi
Loc: New Zealand
Reg: 04-24-14
01-28-19 02:00 AM - Post#2758351    
    In response to 40grit

Hi John, Way too plain, you are going to have to put some louvres in them. Venting out of course to take the exhaust heat to the fender well and avoid mud splash. Or maybe some radio chassis punched radiused holes in a Buick pattern

Then they will need chroming!

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-28-19 08:02 AM - Post#2758367    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Dang Kiwi, Your tuff. You guys know how frugal I am. No chrome here.

I was going to wait to post pictures when I got them mounted on the car but here is where I'm at. My wife's health does not let me spend much time in the shop these days.

The earlier picture was templates made out of light 22ga stock. Here are the 18ga actual panels taking shape. You are correct. Splash shields behind the wheels are next. They not only offer protection but the rear of the inner fender ties into them for support.

I have thought a lot about air flow. The inner fenders do not go all the way to the firewall and I am leaving the area open around the body mounts. Also, the subframe is quite a bit wider than the origional frame. All in all, I think I have left it open enough for good air flow. If I have to do anything more, it will be add a shroud behind the radiator. That would not surprise me at all.

At least I know you have been checking me out.


John








Just Slightly Abrasive


Edited by 40grit on 01-28-19 08:08 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Dean50 
"13th Year" Gold Supporting Member
Posts: 1373
Dean50
Loc: Detroit area
Reg: 01-02-07
01-28-19 01:38 PM - Post#2758400    
    In response to 40grit

Wow, very nice, John! Like the beadwork.

Dean50



 
tommy49 
"5th Year" Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 2626
tommy49
Loc: Kaleva, Michigan
Reg: 09-28-12
01-28-19 09:30 PM - Post#2758444    
    In response to 40grit

Like the panels and bead work, John! I have plans for some panels & bead roller work, but I need to wait until I motorize my roller. That crank just ain't working out.

Tommy

49 Deluxe Sport Coupe, 55 235, 700r4, Blazer rear axle, 4 wheel power disc brakes.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tommyfortynine /album...




 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-29-19 09:46 AM - Post#2758474    
    In response to tommy49

  • tommy49 Said:
Like the panels and bead work, John! I have plans for some panels & bead roller work, but I need to wait until I motorize my roller. That crank just ain't working out.



I motorized mine with a $35 dollar used garage door motor Tommy. I will try to post a picture of what I did later today. The variable speed 1/2 hp drill motor is a good method also.

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 
Bel Air kiwi 
Deceased Member RIP
Posts: 4558
Bel Air kiwi
Loc: New Zealand
Reg: 04-24-14
01-29-19 04:04 PM - Post#2758502    
    In response to 40grit

Hi John, I hope your wife's health improves.

You know I only push you cause I know you can do it. If you don't have a louver punch lets see some more stiffening creases in the flat area's.

Are you running any wiring or hoses along or through these panels?

You are definitely going to have to do a radiator shroud. It's just free fan efficiency, particularly at lower speeds when the mechanical fan will matter. That big block will make heat real easy and overheating turns a dream into a nightmare.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 01-29-19 04:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-29-19 05:01 PM - Post#2758517    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Here you go Tommy. $35 bucks for drive, 12 for pedal at Harbor Freight, 5 bucks for chain. The sprocket was the most difficult. It is a 55 tooth. I think I ended up paying somewhere aroun $50 for it. Anything smaller though and it would run too fast.

Cheap and dirty but works amazingly well.

John








Just Slightly Abrasive


 
tommy49 
"5th Year" Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 2626
tommy49
Loc: Kaleva, Michigan
Reg: 09-28-12
01-30-19 06:30 AM - Post#2758546    
    In response to 40grit

Thanks for the pictures, John. I've been looking at drive idea's for a year, but I've reached that point where I'm just going to spend the bucks and buy the drive unit from Eastwood. Kat, the CFO, has a shop fund for me buying tools, so I'm going to dip into it. I think there's a new Miller tig welder on the list, too!

Tommy

49 Deluxe Sport Coupe, 55 235, 700r4, Blazer rear axle, 4 wheel power disc brakes.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/tommyfortynine /album...




 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
01-30-19 04:05 PM - Post#2758594    
    In response to tommy49

  • tommy49 Said:
Thanks for the pictures, John. I've been looking at drive idea's for a year, but I've reached that point where I'm just going to spend the bucks and buy the drive unit from Eastwood. Kat, the CFO, has a shop fund for me buying tools, so I'm going to dip into it. I think there's a new Miller tig welder on the list, too!



How cool is that! I know you will enjoy them. Money for good tools is always invested, not spent. With that said I have gotten along pretty well with the Taiwan and Chinese stuff I own.

I am just thankfull I have the room, space and budget to do the things I have enjoyed doing.

Keep us in the loop as your project develops. :

John

Just Slightly Abrasive


 
drew1987 
"6th Year" Silver Supporting Member
Posts: 3267
drew1987
Age: 32
Loc: Rochester, New York
Reg: 02-23-14
02-12-19 10:25 AM - Post#2759734    
    In response to 40grit

John,

as always, your work is inspiring. Looks awesome!

The drive is from harbor freight?

Andrew D. Carapella (Drew)

'50 Deluxe 4dr v8 auto

Member:

Rochester Street Rods - Est. 1970
http://www.rochesterstreetrods.org

CrossMembers Car Club - Hebrews 12:2
http://www.crossmemberscc.com


Edited by drew1987 on 02-12-19 10:26 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
02-12-19 01:42 PM - Post#2759758    
    In response to drew1987

  • drew1987 Said:
John,

as always, your work is inspiring. Looks awesome!

The drive is from harbor freight?



Drew, the drive is a Sears garage door opener motor. I gave $35 for it on Ebay with free sipping. Remember, I am a big fan of "frugal."

John


Just Slightly Abrasive


 
40grit 
Contributor
Posts: 544
40grit
Age: 74
Loc: Chattanooga, Tn
Reg: 07-08-13
02-19-19 08:58 PM - Post#2760336    
    In response to 40grit

Shop time is getting scarce but here you can see where I am going.





Just Slightly Abrasive


 


 Page 8 of 9 « First<6789
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

14162 Views
FusionBB
FusionBB™ Version 2.1
©2003-2006 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 0.103 seconds.   Total Queries: 17   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0800) Pacific. Current time is 06:22 AM
Top