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Username Post: '53 Bel Air conv Update        (Topic#336028)
Bel Air kiwi 
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11-11-16 11:21 PM - Post#2661132    
    In response to 40grit

Hi John, that should be more than enough. I know some folks use a lot of that material to hide dodgy floor patches.
I only have it on the under guards of my 32.
On one of my later model unibody cars has the whole floor under sealed from front to rear.
But it was Australian assembled and they have a lot of unsealed roads out of the cities.
Driving at slow speeds on these roads isn't viable as you may have 100 miles to get to town.
So cars are factory strengthened in the sills and under body and coated with sound deadner and underseal to protect the metal.
You will know what road conditions and surfaces you will encounter. it will be cool to see your final color when you get it on.

Cheer Kiwi


48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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40grit 
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11-12-16 01:20 PM - Post#2661185    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Yesterday and today I managed to get a couple of coats of SPI dark red base and a couple of coats of Universal clear on the pans.

Time to get the chassis ready to set the body on.

John







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Bel Air kiwi 
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11-13-16 10:20 PM - Post#2661449    
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Too Pretty, Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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11-14-16 12:28 PM - Post#2661541    
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Looks great John.

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11-15-16 01:29 PM - Post#2661724    
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look like new




 
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11-15-16 03:24 PM - Post#2661737    
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I would say better than new.

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01-20-17 06:37 PM - Post#2672517    
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Getting close to having the sub frame assembled.

Rotors came yesterday.



Steering gear painted and ready.



It will be good to get the rotors, steering gear and shocks on. Once the rear is under it we can see what it is going to take to stuff that big block in it.

The rear will take some effort though. I have to change the brakes, put in a new gear set, and trim the old spring perches off it.....Oh yea, and paint it. :-))
John



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01-20-17 08:07 PM - Post#2672532    
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I did forget to mention I had replaced the fuel filler tube and reworked the bottom of the box behind the filler door.

Kind of a fun little project.







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01-26-17 06:16 PM - Post#2673719    
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Subframe and front suspension done. Moving on to setting up rear suspension and 9 inch Ford

John



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Bel Air kiwi 
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01-26-17 07:45 PM - Post#2673731    
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Hi John, Are you doing anything fancy or just staying with the leaf springs?
I know you don't like under seal much but I think you should do the rear inner guards at least with one of those bug bomb rubberized spray can kits. Even on nice roads the grit is like media blasting as you drive.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 01-26-17 07:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
40grit 
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01-26-17 08:42 PM - Post#2673744    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi John, Are you doing anything fancy or just staying with the leaf springs?
I know you don't like under seal much but I think you should do the rear inner guards at least with one of those bug bomb rubberized spray can kits. Even on nice roads the grit is like media blasting as you drive.

Cheers Kiwi



Can't argue with you Kiwi. I probably will roll on bed liner in the wheel wells. It will probably get done but I will do the wheel wells and the inside of the front fenders at the same time.

As far as the rear suspension goes, the budget does not call for aftermarked springs. I have a Lincoln Versaille 9 inch rear, a 3:00 chunk, and 11 inch drum brakes for it.

I have no desire for a link type suspension. It could use some better springs behind that 454 but for now stock springs will have to do.

John


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02-28-17 05:55 PM - Post#2679041    
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I did build my lowering blocks a little longer than most to help a little with spring curl. we,ll know in a couple of years how tha works.

Ok, Time to build some brakes....

John



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Edited by 40grit on 02-28-17 05:56 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bel Air kiwi 
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02-28-17 10:26 PM - Post#2679085    
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Hi John, it's coming along nicely. Are you going to do some bump stops with that lowering?
A flat helper spring on the bottom may help if the springs are too soft.
I'd bet $ to donuts that a big block will wind those springs up like a cheap toy!

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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03-03-17 08:24 PM - Post#2679591    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Sure do Kiwi. I have to move them back a little to mate up with the axle though. I have not blasted them nor drilled the holes yet though.

Time will tell about the springs. As we discussed earlier, I may have to go back and lick my calf over but for now I am going to allot my money to other things. I ordered wheels which should be here Monday and have gotten all my parts for my brakes.

I still suspect I am going to have to deal with the X-member clearance also.

John


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Bel Air kiwi 
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03-04-17 08:34 PM - Post#2679717    
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Hi John, the springs is some-thing that you can update over time. My Bel Air has coil over springs on the shocks as well as the stock leaf set up.
I didn't do it but it does work OK.
I don't wish to sound pessimistic but I think the big issue you have coming is the size of the transmission in the old chassis floor area.
Plus with the extra length/size of the BBC you are not going to have much in the way of wiggle room.
I know they fit but I am not sure what has to be cut to fit. I can't imagine the firewall braces can stay and I can see the tunnel area may be to small. The big center x frame will probably need some clearancing and the exhaust routing usually requires some chassis windows just to get the required pipe diameter through.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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03-05-17 06:37 PM - Post#2679845    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi John, the springs is some-thing that you can update over time. My Bel Air has coil over springs on the shocks as well as the stock leaf set up.
I didn't do it but it does work OK.
I don't wish to sound pessimistic but I think the big issue you have coming is the size of the transmission in the old chassis floor area.
Plus with the extra length/size of the BBC you are not going to have much in the way of wiggle room.
I know they fit but I am not sure what has to be cut to fit. I can't imagine the firewall braces can stay and I can see the tunnel area may be to small. The big center x frame will probably need some clearancing and the exhaust routing usually requires some chassis windows just to get the required pipe diameter through.

Cheers Kiwi



You are correct in most every assumption. The Chassis has already been opened up for exhaust though. I did that before I painted it.

I am going to build custom inner fender wells, late GM style radiator support for cross flow radiator and front fender supports on each frame horn. This will allow a cross flow radiator to be positioned further forward.

The front body mounts will be removed but replaced further outboard for clearance for the Big Block. They are critical on a convertible but would have to be reworked anyway with the subframe.

As far as the tunnel goes, the jury is still out. I don't think the Muncie 4 speed will be bigger than the Power Glide but at this point don't know for sure. When I built the '47 Ford and '49 Merc, I found the shifter is what created the clearance issue. Mostly with the cassis x-member. In any case, room can be made.

Keep in mind, the sheet metal work is my favorite part of the build. Recessing the firewall or hand forming the front sheetmetal is my "cup of tea." I had to hand form a quarter panel. None of this can be any more challenging.

John



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03-05-17 06:45 PM - Post#2679846    
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BTW, brakes are built. 2 1/2 x 11 Galaxie. Wheels should be here tomorrow.

John






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Bel Air kiwi 
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03-05-17 07:42 PM - Post#2679853    
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Hi John, I have no doubt's that that you have the skills and ability to do the front metal rework for a forward radiator and inner fender rework and that will free up a lot of space forward.
Like you I am curious how the trans will fit.
The Muncie you have mentioned should be smaller than the iron Glide, but as you noted the clutch and shift linkage could be awkward.
Glad to here you have already relieved the frame for larger exhaust.
Are you going with fender well exhaust to clear the steering, starter, linkage area?

Cheers Kiwi.

ps. The Drums look good.


48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 03-05-17 07:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
40grit 
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03-05-17 09:02 PM - Post#2679872    
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Believe it or not, I intend to run cast iron factory exhaust manifolds. At this time my plans are to run the factory engine right down to the orange tin valve covers and duel snorkel OE air cleaner ( If I can afford one) along with Q-jet carb. Nice clean urethane ss paint and possibly polished ss bolt set so the motor can be kept clean and fresh.

The only update I am planning is a HP timing chain, factory HEI distributor, and I would like to replace the low profile short runner intake.

Basically, I would like this engine to look like I pulled it from a '71 Chevelle or Monte Carle and just set it into the '53. I want a smooth cam, low end torque and the best drivability I can get. I could not care less about drag racing or any form of competition. Just love the look and torque of the big blocks. An honest 300-325 hp would tickle me to death.

John



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Bel Air kiwi 
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03-06-17 12:43 AM - Post#2679892    
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Hi 40 Grit, Its hard to image a sound BBC not having that power and torque you require, and as always they behave best when left stock.
You may well now have the height to run a less flattened dual plane intake, but if you are not exploring above 3000 rpm its just a piece of decoration. Most BBC run in the 1500-2000 when touring and driving under most conditions. It really depends on your gearing and final drive ratio.

I much prefer to run cast iron manifolds on the road. They are quieter, more reliable and keep better control of exhaust temps around starters and wiring than open headers.

Just hard to avoid sometimes. What most folk don't factor with headers is if you run them back into a standard exhaust most of what they can achieve is negated. Plus unless you re-tune to run them open they also don't get the advertised magazine style figures. Mostly they are just a PIA.

Still got my fingers crossed for you that the gearbox is going to fit under that shiny floor. I have never done a 53-4, as they were not as common here. I am sure you can appreciate why we mount the trans first and see where the motor gets to go.

No problem to put a 350/350 in with no firewall or chassis cut at all. Run Iron manifolds and everything fits. However I appreciate you have BBC and more complex frame center section.

It's so much easier for me to move mechanical parts and as you say there is a mountain of room in front of the original radiator/guard support bracket to mount a cross flow radiator. The only issue I have struck is you want the bottom hose inlet to the radiator up a bit in the side tank so you don't have to mess with the nose of the frame and valance too much.

Keep on plugging on, I have got a couple of rusty Bel Airs I could ship you if you are that keen on panel work.

Cheers Kiwi.




48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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03-06-17 07:40 AM - Post#2679941    
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LOL, Thank you for the offer sir! I believe my hands are kind of full right now though. :-)))

John

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Bel Air kiwi 
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03-06-17 03:20 PM - Post#2680033    
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Hi John I'll be waiting for you to finish this one then? lol

Cheers kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

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03-06-17 07:35 PM - Post#2680095    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi John I'll be waiting for you to finish this one then? lol

Cheers kiwi



Hopefully by my 80th birthday Kiwi......... :-))




Wow, Not sure but think this is going to work out........Barely!

The origional factory rear and is 60 inches wide and with tires and wheels mounted about 67 overall.

The Lincoln Versailles (57 1/2) with the 8" wheels mounted is 67 1/4. My worry is the amount of tire bulge. This will for sure be close but they do fit without tires. So far so good.............:-))

I might mention that a pipe fitter friend of mine did say he would be glad to help me take a little out of the wheels if needed. He built a machine a couple of years ago to cut wheels to put bands in them. He used to widen them pretty regularly. Narrowing them should be a piece of cake.

John





This is going to be awful close if I don't have room to add a small spacer behind this wheel.



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Edited by 40grit on 03-06-17 08:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bel Air kiwi 
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03-06-17 08:21 PM - Post#2680108    
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Hi John, That looks a bit too close to me. Probably be alright if the diff went up and down only parallel, but they don't. Soon as you roll over or off a kerb and load goes on only one rear wheel the diff angles off horizontal, and I think you are going to rub.
How much does the rear inner guard project relative to the frame?
I think you need to loose quite a bit of backspace there.

Plan "B" would be to horizontally kink the frame between the perches and mini tub the rear inner guards. I didn't think so.!
Cheers Kiwi.

Ps. With the price of steel wheels now I would just sell yours if they don't work and get new ones. Save that favor for something more useful.


48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 03-06-17 08:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-07-17 06:44 AM - Post#2680160    
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Great looking build, 40 grit.

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03-07-17 08:41 AM - Post#2680176    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Thanks Dean.

Actually the wheel well does not protrude beyond the width of the frame but you are correct. There has to be room for side to side flex. I may go down to Coker Tires tomorrow and mount a 225/70r15. It would have a 9.1 section width, 27.4" high and have 7 1/2” tread width.

John

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03-07-17 12:58 PM - Post#2680213    
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Hi John, Good that the well is clear. I suspect that you may need a 7" with the same face position as your 8" just to allow for the deflection in side wall, the fact that they bulge, and the diff tilts. It won't matter too much as the BBC will spin them all at will. lol

Cheers Kiwi.

PS the rims look nice

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 03-07-17 12:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-07-17 05:34 PM - Post#2680260    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi John, Good that the well is clear. I suspect that you may need a 7" with the same face position as your 8" just to allow for the deflection in side wall, the fact that they bulge, and the diff tilts. It won't matter too much as the BBC will spin them all at will. lol

Cheers Kiwi.

PS the rims look nice



I spent a good deal of time with a tape measure today with both the rear wheels mounted.

The factory axle is 60 inches wide with 5 inch wheels. The origional wheels have 3 1/2 inch back space and are 2 1/2 inches to the outside making the width 65 inches WITHOUT tires. I have several origional wheels and tires around here which tend to have a 1 to 1 1/4 tire bulge making the overall width of 67 to 67 1/2 inches

My Versailles axle with the 8 inch wheels measures exactly 67 1/4 inches overall WITHOUT tires. If I could keep the tire bulge to a minimum on a tire for the 8 inch rims I would be on a roll.

John

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Edited by 40grit on 03-07-17 05:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bel Air kiwi 
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03-07-17 06:13 PM - Post#2680267    
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Hi John, I suspect that the extra 1/4" or so on the outside will not be a big issue. I suspect the 2" extra on the inside may put you close to the inner guard wall and in particular when the axle tilts. Hope the tire fit up works for you.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

"They made a desert and called it peace." Tacitus


 
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03-07-17 07:34 PM - Post#2680284    
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Thanks Kiwi. Do you think it is important to be able to take this tire off if it goes flat.

John

I would hate to have to take the body back off the frame to change tires....................

Might look at one more measurement tomorrow!

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