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Username Post: Global West Bump Steer kit install        (Topic#334722)
56_Kruiser 
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04-13-16 05:10 PM - Post#2621443    
    In response to kingkreeton

  • kingkreeton Said:
Just picked up my car from the alignment shop and I couldn't be more pleased. It is literally a night and day difference from before. I am extremely excited figuring I haven't even installed the sway bar yet. The wandering and unsafe feeling while driving is completely gone. I cruised at 35mph - 60mph on the way home and hit numerous imperfections on the road with no issues.

I really like the rake of the car as well with the new front springs. I will throw the sway bar on at some point this weekend and let you know my final results and thoughts of that part of the installation.

I am stoked with the results !!!





Glad to hear it is golden.Thanks for the thread.


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1963SBHD 
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04-14-16 12:46 AM - Post#2621523    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

YUP that is the one..you will be fine sir...At least something to fit without re-engineering the whole front end. Hope Budnick can help you out with the wheels. Michael J.



 
Duntov 
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04-14-16 03:02 PM - Post#2621655    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

If I ever get the chance to replace the stupid power steering with standard steering on my 1962 Bel Air, I will do it.

Driving my Bel Air with power steering and a 17" steering wheel is like steering a boat. With a 17" steering wheel, you don't need power steering. That is why the factory put 17"-18" steering wheels on trucks and busses that don't have power steering.



 
gofastwclass 
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04-14-16 08:41 PM - Post#2621723    
    In response to Duntov

I'm excited to get this and install it. Thanks for the commentary on the subject.

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Hobart 
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05-14-16 06:26 PM - Post#2628268    
    In response to gofastwclass

Great thread, thanks for all of this info! I bought the GW system but am far from the point of installation, my body is off the frame, etc.

For those of you looking for a cheap alternative to tubular upper arms, this might be an option: Shafts .

Not as good as arms, but cheap.

Bill

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Chevy 4 Life 
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05-15-16 02:51 PM - Post#2628448    
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Hobart,

I looked at those shafts, and they sound like a great deal for what I am looking for. I thought about the CPP tubular control arms upper and lower to make my 61 ride better. I have all stock suspension upgraded with Impala bobs poly bushings. I am happy with how my big oldy rides, but I feel there is a little left on the table. Tubular suspension parts have gotten really expensive over the last few years. I cant justify spending so much for them. Did you install these SpeedWay inserts on your stock upper or lower control arms? Do they make that big of a difference. The price and quality looks amazing, I just want to make sure that they actually work. Thanks in advance, and not trying to hack this thread, just never heard of these before.



 
Hobart 
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05-15-16 03:15 PM - Post#2628456    
    In response to Chevy 4 Life

I put them in my stock upper arms on my '58 Delray. I didn't have a pre-installation alignment reading, but after installation it got me over 3-degrees positive caster and we set my camber at 0. I'll try to find my alignment sheet to tell you exactly what we got out of them. It seemed like an unbeatable deal, especially considering they come with poly bushings. And it seems like I've read here and there about some of the cheaper tubular arms being of low-quality.



 
Chevy 4 Life 
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05-16-16 09:18 AM - Post#2628598    
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Thank you for the info bud. I see that the CPP are the same price on Ebay, so I will buy those and install soon.



 
Hobart 
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05-27-16 04:31 PM - Post#2630755    
    In response to Chevy 4 Life

Global West having a 10% off sale this weekend:
Sale



 
56_Kruiser 
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05-27-16 05:00 PM - Post#2630763    
    In response to Hobart

Huh...

I still haven't received mine. Just tried to call them. As long as mine has been on order now, I was going to tell them they should give me the sale price.

I'll try on Tuesday. We'll see what happens.



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TEXAS 62 
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05-27-16 05:30 PM - Post#2630766    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

I think it took mine 7 weeks



 
Hobart 
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05-27-16 05:46 PM - Post#2630771    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

It's worth a try, I'll bet they'll give you the sale price. If not, say you want to cancel the order and reorder it at the sale price...



 
56_Kruiser 
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05-27-16 06:59 PM - Post#2630792    
    In response to Hobart

Sale price will be over by the time I speak to them.

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kingkreeton 
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05-28-16 03:33 AM - Post#2630833    
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  • Hobart Said:
It's worth a try, I'll bet they'll give you the sale price. If not, say you want to cancel the order and reorder it at the sale price...



If you reorder, it might reset the 2 month clock for shipping. Probably not worth the $100 savings.

I just want to reiterate that I stayed with the stock control arms and have no need for additional caster whatsoever. Those claiming it is necessary with this kit is misleading information. I did install GW's front springs which lowered the front about an inch. I really like the new stance but can't say for sure how much it improved the wandering issue.

Shane
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Edited by kingkreeton on 05-28-16 03:42 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
gofastwclass 
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05-28-16 07:23 AM - Post#2630852    
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  • Hobart Said:
Global West having a 10% off sale this weekend:
Sale



  • 56_Kruiser Said:
I still haven't received mine.


  • TEXAS 62 Said:
I think it took mine 7 weeks



A 10% off sale for the items they don't have in stock / can't ship in a timely fashion? Hmmmm... how tempting.

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VintageCarryall 
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05-29-16 04:07 AM - Post#2630986    
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  • kingkreeton Said:
  • Hobart Said:
It's worth a try, I'll bet they'll give you the sale price. If not, say you want to cancel the order and reorder it at the sale price...



If you reorder, it might reset the 2 month clock for shipping. Probably not worth the $100 savings.

I just want to reiterate that I stayed with the stock control arms and have no need for additional caster whatsoever. Those claiming it is necessary with this kit is misleading information. I did install GW's front springs which lowered the front about an inch. I really like the new stance but can't say for sure how much it improved the wandering issue.



Typically; lowering a vehicle will increase caster all by itself so, in your case, you got 'lucky'.

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56_Kruiser 
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07-09-16 02:29 PM - Post#2638757    
    In response to VintageCarryall

Have you installed the radiator yet? Stock radiator?

I just put my vote support and radiator on, and the radiator does not clear the 600 unit.

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chairmnofthboard 
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08-21-16 07:16 PM - Post#2646966    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

Whats the lead time to get the kit?

I just found out Global West is right by work...yipee.

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1963SBHD 
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08-21-16 10:05 PM - Post#2646981    
    In response to chairmnofthboard

I ordered mine from Global West directly..paid for it WENT ABOUT LIFE...then Presto!!! it appeared in my carport like magic. I know being retired frees up time..but it came when it came..and for me I am just getting ready to remove the unisteer, so the GW boxes just sitting there. I have decided to bring the Unisteer kit back to Charlotte Auto Fair and donate it back for study(along with my pictures, documentation and complaints) maybe they can use it to redesign..probably Circular file 13.



 
56_Kruiser 
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08-22-16 07:31 AM - Post#2647012    
    In response to chairmnofthboard

I read one guy that said 8 weeks.

In my case, when I ordered it, they 'warned' me it would be a couple weeks. 4 weeks later I called them about it and they said 2 more weeks. 3 weeks later it showed up.

So, I'd say plan for 2 months, and be happy if it's sooner.



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chairmnofthboard 
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08-26-16 09:28 AM - Post#2647784    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

I guess I should update...I received the kit and installed it already lol.

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56_Kruiser 
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08-26-16 10:30 AM - Post#2647791    
    In response to chairmnofthboard

Cool. I guess maybe you lucked out.

I have a question on your install: I gather you installed on a '64. Did you have any radiator clearance issues with the 600 unit after install? If so, how did you resolve that?


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Tri5man 
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08-26-16 11:37 AM - Post#2647804    
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Sorry, I still don't get this GW kit for that kind of money. My latest project a 63 Impala Hardtop ( my seventh X frame car) thats a nut and bolt frame off restoration with 400 miles on it goes down the road like every other X frame I've owned.
Trust me when I tell you I've had 2 409 four speed cars and my current 63 Impala is no slouch that handle just fine at all kind of speeds.
I'm equally puzzled by kingkreeton's latest post where he states that after the GW kit installation he's not sure about correcting a "wandering'' condition.
Other then an occasional pass at your local drag strip, how much high speed driving are y'all doing in these old X frames?
You can call me cheap but I don't spend money for something I feel I don't need. The GW kit falls into that category.
I also don't have any radiator or steering box clearance issues.

Gary



 
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08-26-16 01:20 PM - Post#2647832    
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Howdee Gary,
Not sure what there is for you to understand, or why it IS NECESSARY too understand. WE THE OWNERS...have a full pallet of "choices" and to label them all would take days. Suffice it to say EACH has a Vision for their ride, and the freedom to pursue that vision whatever the cost, or how outrageous the scheme, as long as the finished product is what THEY wanted. Personal tastes are just that..I admire lowriders, the tech, paint etc. BUT would not buy one..thats me. I also want a car to act n handle like a MODERN car..brakes, wheels, tires etc..SO DO MANY OTHERS. The FORUM is a place to teach, to learn, to ask questions, share experiences...AND VOICE OPINIONS..so none of this is a cut against you Gary..in fact your questions and contributions MAKE for interesting discussions. I TOO am installing a Global West system..and have a suggestion. DRIVE A CAR WITH ONE INSTALLED..then render an informed critique of how it handles, likes and dislikes. Who knows it may convert YOU into getting one yourself.
Michael J.



 
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08-26-16 01:27 PM - Post#2647838    
    In response to 56_Kruiser

I made a spacer..to help my clearance issues for the sway bar. Also was perplexed with the shipping..LOOKING FOR 3 BOXES..only shipped 2 but found they packed it ALL into TWO boxes. Are YOUR clearance issues with the steering box/radiator.



 
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08-26-16 01:49 PM - Post#2647840    
    In response to 1963SBHD

  • 1963SBHD Said:
Howdee Gary,
Not sure what there is for you to understand, or why it IS NECESSARY too understand. The FORUM is a place to teach, to learn, to ask questions, share experiences...AND VOICE OPINIONS.
Michael J.


Is this just a WOOF,WOOF on how Gary's opinion doesn't qualify?
or
Are you just kicking the cat?



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Edited by Chevrobert on 08-26-16 01:50 PM. Reason for edit: add wink

 
kingkreeton 
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08-26-16 03:05 PM - Post#2647853    
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  • Tri5man Said:
Sorry, I still don't get this GW kit for that kind of money. I'm equally puzzled by kingkreeton's latest post where he states that after the GW kit installation he's not sure about correcting a "wandering'' condition.
Gary



Pretty easy explanation. The Borgsen box changes the geometry of the front end components to the point where it is unsafe to drive because of wandering issues the misaligned geometry causes. The bump steer kit solves the the geometry issues.

Sorry if my previous post was unclear, I was referring the new springs I put up front and had no way to tell how much the springs helped. Since I installed the springs at the same time as the kit, I can't say if the springs were a contributing factor towards improved bump steer. The cars original 50 year old springs where still in the car so I thought I might as well install news. I went a inch lower cause I liked the look.

Bottom line, If you don't have a Borgeson box, then there is really no point using this kit. This kit is so you can use an upgraded steering box and not affect the steering geometry. My car never goes above 60 mph and will certainly never see a track. The original non-power steering set up rode great, just got tired of not having power steering and wanted a smaller steering wheel for my large legs.

Thanks for asking for clarification, I'm certainly not trying to mislead anyone.



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08-26-16 03:32 PM - Post#2647864    
    In response to Chevrobert

NO SIR..it was a valid answer to his query. Not sure what a woof woof is, But Gary is asking WHY DO WE DO WHAT WE DO OUR choice to add a geegaw, or a whizzbang, a guffalaw to our rides is just "That" OUR CHOICE and our reasons. He is free to surmise, or actually read our posts and our reasons for what we do. I stand behind him ACTUALLY driving a GW Zero bumpsteer kit equipped and then offering an informed opinion..rather than just wonder. I also addressed his question the respect it deserves, no off speed pitches or cutesy remarks. Michael J.




 
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08-26-16 03:40 PM - Post#2647865    
    In response to kingkreeton

Interesting you talked about "big legs..big steering wheels". I had the same issue but my car came with a 6 way power seat..so I just changed to a smaller wheel. Guess could have installed a tilt column, but changed the wheel instead. I installed a rack n pinion that made handling even worse. Hey BIG GUYS gotta get some relief.




 
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08-26-16 05:21 PM - Post#2647880    
    In response to 1963SBHD

kingkreeton & 1963SBHD, thanks for your explanation about the GW kit reducing bump steer with a Borgenson steering box which I've never used. My X frame cars either had no power steering or an added GM 605 PS and drop spindles for lowering. Like I said before I've never noticed any significant bump steer and am perfectly happy with the front end handling at any speed.

As far as the woof woof comment I'm with 1963SBHD. I'll just consider the source from who it came. Interesting the person who posted it rarely if ever gets involved in technical discussions. Since when does he decide who's opinions count?


Gary



 
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