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Username Post: Am I crazy? probably... '65 SS LS Swap        (Topic#305497)
nicke 
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12-02-13 07:59 PM - Post#2404371    

So, what the most reasonable thing to do after putting in a newly rebuilt 327 and 200-4R transmission and getting everything dialed in?

Correct.


I, however, will be going the other direction and have just located the first few parts needed to start my LS Swap!
I purchased a low mileage L92 engine out of a 2007 Denali, and will be putting a 4L80E Behind it. This has been done before, but I'll attempt to describe what I do, and why I make the choices I do.
Disclaimer: don't expect a build like Kwizz here. I have neither the skills, resources, or space.

My initial plans are as follows:

Keep the L92 Stock (6.2L all aluminum, 403HP)
Using the Truck intake (Ugly but functional)
Keeping it a Drive by wire setup, using Denali pedal and throttle body)
Using a Spectra EFI Fuel tank that replaces original
Holley Oil Pan - Seems to be the best fit.
69 Camaro Headers LS swap Headers (Possibly Dynatech)
Motor Mounts that I was lucky enough to acquire from our friend Kwizz
4L80E out a 95 Chevy Van
Adapter Flywheel, spacer and bolts to adapt old style transmission to newer LS engine (and correct crank length with adapter)
Corvette 58 PSI fuel filter/regulator
Stand alone wiring harness from PSI
E38 Ecu from Denali, and T42 TCU from 2008 Silverado

There will be a lot more going into this, and I'm sure I'll have some more questions.. hint hint Leon, Ken and the rest of the guys with LS engines so stay tuned. Also thanks for the advice so far!

Engine right after I pulled it. Nice and dirty!


My 65' Impala SS LS Swap
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Edited by nicke on 12-02-13 08:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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SS_in_Seattle 
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12-02-13 08:38 PM - Post#2404375    
    In response to nicke

Yes Nick,

You ARE Crazy

But that's one of the things we like about you The In-Situ look of your new toy is very cool, I'm glad you didn't clean it up first, but now I'm feeling Really old if you were able to track that down & pull it before I could do something similar. Grandpa will have to get Carter a set of Craftsman wrenches for his project... it's going to be a lot closer to him because this is just like the stand I got to transport it... Link to Pint-Sized Engine Stand

I'm sure everyone else is going to be looking forward to your progress pictures... That was a great idea you came up with & you have a good itinerary planned out (although we all know those are destined to change)

You should start buying tires now

Greg



 
VintageCarryall 
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12-02-13 08:41 PM - Post#2404377    
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You might consider going with a late Camaro intake for more hood clearance and, supposedly 2010+ exhaust manifolds from that same car will clear everything.

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Yenkonova 
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12-02-13 09:29 PM - Post#2404393    
    In response to VintageCarryall

Keep in mind with change to a car intake over the truck style the serpentine belt drive will need to change too. The lower car intake (Vette, Camaro or GTO) puts the intake opening right behind the tensioner pulley. Going to Car intake and serpentine setup also forces a change to the car style water pump and t-stat outlet too.

Take some measurements, but I think the truck intake should fit under the hood.

Rob Z.


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nicke 
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12-02-13 09:37 PM - Post#2404396    
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Yea, my plan is to use the truck intake and try to make that fit. As mentioned, a car intake looks cooler, and gives more clearance, but would necessitate a water pump change, which is a bit more complicated with this VVT engine (variable valve timing) as the front accessories sit further forward.
Also, I have heard the same thing about the ls3 Camaro manifolds, though I will try to reap the benefits of the long tube headers as long as I get a set that doesn't drag the ground. We shall see!
-Nick

My 65' Impala SS LS Swap
My Impala Videos
6.2L LS ,4L80E, 3.73 gears, disc brakes


 
slammed1 
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12-02-13 10:25 PM - Post#2404404    
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Way to go Nick,6.2 LS engines around here go for good money cause sellers around here are greedy. Even 5.3s they ask for crazy money so Im glad to see you got the 6.2. Ive driven stock 6.2 vehicles and they move out real nice stock so you will have a real nice play toy when your done my friend.

I will be wstching your build just like I do Kwhizz's builds as well with much eagerness and anticipation.

Brian M
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Rick Dorion 
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12-03-13 05:37 AM - Post#2404427    
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Very nice. I'll be following, too. Do you anticipate much tranny tunnel surgery?

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ss3964spd 
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12-03-13 07:24 AM - Post#2404449    
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Well, that's gonna be a fun project, Nick, way to go! The LS's aren't very pretty but it's hard to argue with the power they can make and the driveability of FI.

I didn't know the 4L80E went all the way back to '95. Ya should have pulled all the stops and found a 6 speed Allison. Pretty sure you're gonna have to cut up the tunnel anyway.

Dan

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nicke 
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12-03-13 08:37 AM - Post#2404462    
    In response to ss3964spd

I would have gone with the 6L80E but that's would require big time tunnel mods.
With the 4L80E, I have seen guys put them in B body's with only minor "massaging", which is what I'm hoping to get away with.
The 6 speeds are huge compared to the 4.
I'll let you all know how that plays out.

-Nick

My 65' Impala SS LS Swap
My Impala Videos
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12-03-13 08:42 AM - Post#2404463    
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Is it possible to use a Dodge 5 speed tranny with the LS engine? I love the 5 speed auto in my 06 Charger and think it would make a great swap if possible.

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evhfan2000 
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12-03-13 09:17 AM - Post#2404466    
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1 word......***subscribed***

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SS_in_Seattle 
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12-03-13 01:11 PM - Post#2404509    
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  • nicke Said:
... I will try to reap the benefits of the long tube headers as long as I get a set that doesn't drag the ground. We shall see!
-Nick



Can we look forward to a'65 Donk as a remedy to this clearance issue ?

Greg



 
nicke 
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12-03-13 01:20 PM - Post#2404511    
    In response to evhfan2000

I picked up a can of high temp VHT Cast Iron colored paint that I will use on the valve covers and block. I'm not trying to make this thing a show pony, but figured while it is out I should clean it up a bit. I'll keep the heads the natural aluminum. I like the plain and simple look, and this cast iron color is a bit different but simple.
I will paint the Coil packs and brackets the same color as well.

Getting it cleaned up:


Pulled the valve covers off to paint. I'll get the intake cleaned up too.



Valve covers turned out nice. I'll get the front taped off and paint the water pump and front brackets as well.



I also swapped the tall oil fill from the truck for a LS3 Camaro filler, which isn't so pronounced.

-Nick


My 65' Impala SS LS Swap
My Impala Videos
6.2L LS ,4L80E, 3.73 gears, disc brakes


 
ss3964spd 
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12-03-13 02:37 PM - Post#2404525    
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Wow, cleaning and painting made a world of difference. Well done.

May wanna jump on an LS forum and find out if there are common issues with those engines. You know, coolant leaks, water pump, seals, etc that are easy and inexpensive to replace while it's out but are a bear to deal with when it's installed.

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12-03-13 05:48 PM - Post#2404579    
    In response to nicke

  • nicke Said:
Yea, my plan is to use the truck intake and try to make that fit. As mentioned, a car intake looks cooler, and gives more clearance, but would necessitate a water pump change, which is a bit more complicated with this VVT engine (variable valve timing) as the front accessories sit further forward.
Also, I have heard the same thing about the ls3 Camaro manifolds, though I will try to reap the benefits of the long tube headers as long as I get a set that doesn't drag the ground. We shall see!
-Nick



nick,
looks like a great project. concerning the header/manifold issue, I bought a set of used 2010 Camaro manifolds off another ct'er for my 6T. he got them from the original owner who put headers on his Camaro. he was honest enough to share the fact that the dyno showed ZERO gain after the header install.
also, the holley ls swap headers are supposed to be good to 500 h.p. on these engines. they are a little spendy though.
I know you didn't ask, but I thought I'd share.

griff.


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nicke 
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12-03-13 06:33 PM - Post#2404594    
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  • beagrizzly Said:
  • nicke Said:
Yea, my plan is to use the truck intake and try to make that fit. As mentioned, a car intake looks cooler, and gives more clearance, but would necessitate a water pump change, which is a bit more complicated with this VVT engine (variable valve timing) as the front accessories sit further forward.
Also, I have heard the same thing about the ls3 Camaro manifolds, though I will try to reap the benefits of the long tube headers as long as I get a set that doesn't drag the ground. We shall see!
-Nick



nick,
looks like a great project. concerning the header/manifold issue, I bought a set of used 2010 Camaro manifolds off another ct'er for my 6T. he got them from the original owner who put headers on his Camaro. he was honest enough to share the fact that the dyno showed ZERO gain after the header install.
also, the holley ls swap headers are supposed to be good to 500 h.p. on these engines. they are a little spendy though.
I know you didn't ask, but I thought I'd share.

griff.




Thanks for chiming in Griff.
I heard that shorty and mid length headers don't have an advantage over the camaro manifold, but that the long tube headers would definitely show a torque increase, especially low and mid range. Anyone else have any input on this issue?
I'm happy to learn all I can!

-Nick


My 65' Impala SS LS Swap
My Impala Videos
6.2L LS ,4L80E, 3.73 gears, disc brakes


 
leon phelps 
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12-03-13 06:48 PM - Post#2404601    
    In response to nicke

take it outside and powerwash it. enough.



 
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12-03-13 07:29 PM - Post#2404612    
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Congrats Nick.

I have thought about doing that same setup to my vette. If you have have ever driven one of these cars with this swap you would know you are on the right path as long as you don't mind going away from originality. Which you seem to not mind on your car. As for the headers it has been my experience that just headers alone don't change much on these newer LS's. When you start going to bigger heads, injectors, are Procharger blowers is when you really need the headers. Just my opinion now I wouldn't fault you for going either way.


Brandon

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12-03-13 07:46 PM - Post#2404615    
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the headers are a must for clearance, they were in my case. the stock f-body headers would not clear the frame.



 
nicke 
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12-03-13 08:39 PM - Post#2404627    
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  • leon phelps Said:
the headers are a must for clearance, they were in my case. the stock f-body headers would not clear the frame.



Leon, refresh my memory. What headers are you running, and what exactly did you try that didn't work? Where was the frame clearance issue?

Thanks
Nick

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My Impala Videos
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12-03-13 09:25 PM - Post#2404636    
    In response to nicke

  • nicke Said:
  • leon phelps Said:
the headers are a must for clearance, they were in my case. the stock f-body headers would not clear the frame.



Leon, refresh my memory. What headers are you running, and what exactly did you try that didn't work? Where was the frame clearance issue?

Thanks
Nick



That is odd since 2010+ Camaro manifolds supposedly clear X Frame Chevys pretty well and those cars are not noted for having decent space in that department.

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12-04-13 12:25 AM - Post#2404667    
    In response to VintageCarryall

Nick I am removing a 6.2 from a Denali with 200k miles with alot of lifter noise and oil pressure issues and installing a new GM crate 6.2 in its place tomorrow at work. If you need picks of anything or questions about the 6.2 let me know. There have been quite a few 6.2 oiling issues when pushed over 125k or so, and GM is behind on long blocks as well as the core on this engine is 1200 bucks.

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12-04-13 09:35 AM - Post#2404721    
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  • slammed1 Said:
Nick I am removing a 6.2 from a Denali with 200k miles with alot of lifter noise and oil pressure issues and installing a new GM crate 6.2 in its place tomorrow at work. If you need picks of anything or questions about the 6.2 let me know. There have been quite a few 6.2 oiling issues when pushed over 125k or so, and GM is behind on long blocks as well as the core on this engine is 1200 bucks.



Thanks Brian! I appreciate it! I probably will have questions as I get further into it!
-The 6.2 I got was from a local guy who bought the Denali for his wife, and they have owned it since brand new. He even had all the dealer records for oil changes and everything. It has really low miles (60K) on it when she was T-boned.
Good to know the core value is so high! Pulling that engine out of a Denali is not near as easy as pulling an engine out of one of our cars. Of course, I was doing in out in the open, in 32 degree weather while it was raining/snowing. Not fun!

-Nick

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12-04-13 11:16 AM - Post#2404736    
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  • nicke Said:
Of course, I was doing in out in the open, in 32 degree weather while it was raining/snowing. Not fun!


At my age I don't think I want any engine that bad. LOL

You didn't get the transmission with it?

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12-04-13 11:16 AM - Post#2404737    
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these are the street and performance ls headers. nice product but are supposed to be the same ones as 69 camaro, sold for way less on that product.





for the inquiring minds that dont understand why they are a hard fit.



 
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12-04-13 01:35 PM - Post#2404780    
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Nick,GM is trying to fill orders for 6.2 long blocks as there is a need for more to be built. Once we ordered this motor through GM they told us it may be 6 weeks to 3 months before we see it at our shop. It took 4 weeks so not that bad. They do need more back so that they can sell more re-man long blocks is why the core is so high.

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12-04-13 03:14 PM - Post#2404796    
    In response to ss3964spd

  • ss3964spd Said:
  • nicke Said:
Of course, I was doing in out in the open, in 32 degree weather while it was raining/snowing. Not fun!


At my age I don't think I want any engine that bad. LOL

You didn't get the transmission with it?



Nope. The tranny was a 6L80E and I knew there would be no way for me to make it fit. Also, it was setup with a transfer case, and all time all wheel drive, and switching that over for a 2wd application opens a new can of worms that I didn't want to get into (nor did I want to cut my trans tunnel).
The 4L80E will bolt right up, and should be perfect for what I need. Much cheaper for me to go this way too.
-Nick


My 65' Impala SS LS Swap
My Impala Videos
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12-04-13 03:28 PM - Post#2404800    
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Pulling that engine out of a Denali is not near as easy as pulling an engine out of one of our cars... You cut me deep there Nick

Of course, I was doing in out in the open, in 32 degree weather while it was raining/snowing. Not fun !... Dude, your PM is Brutal !

-Nick






 
nicke 
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12-04-13 03:41 PM - Post#2404804    
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Haha, you crack me up. If I was smart, I would have waited the weather out, as the day after I pulled it, it got sunny and warm (relatively speaking).
Also, I had a friend helping me.

-Nick

My 65' Impala SS LS Swap
My Impala Videos
6.2L LS ,4L80E, 3.73 gears, disc brakes


 
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12-04-13 08:08 PM - Post#2404893    
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Does Spectra offer a tank with stock dimension's that offers a provision for an in tank pump? I'm putting an LS into a '66 Caprice and am undecided how I want to install the pump.

MacDaddy
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