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Username Post: justinjames 1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop        (Topic#293041)
justinjames 
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02-03-13 11:43 PM - Post#2313470    

Like they say - the difference between big boys and the proto-big boys is the cost of their toys.

After storing grandpa's chevy for (literally 15 years) till I bought a house and kicking out the girl friend - I brought it home. I started the rebuild when I was in my early 20's, got distracted - put the car in storage and just never got serious again. I have very found memories of calling from pay phones to ask for help - the gas gage never worked and the horrors of the gas tank. "Hello Dad... <pause> Yea... I'm stuck on the freeway and the car wont start. Can you bring the air compressor? I think the line is stuffed again". I guess I should state my mechanical skill level - I've been around / working on them since I was little. I do all my repairs. I worked as a body man when I went to school. I love to turn a wrench (its much more fun when its a get away from the real world).

So, while taking my time but with memories of far more innocent times dancing in my head I want to form a plan, and work the plan.

My vision is to stay vintage / era correct - no drastic rod, super charger, etc. I also want to drive her this summer. Not done... but on the road.

Where to start? Immediate -
- Get the wheels turning - they don't want to turn easily right now. I figure the bearing grease turned into something resembling a soft rock.

- Since the motor is toast, rebuild / replace with a working 235.

- With the engine out - clean the engine bay. Sand / pain make pretty.

Now where do I go from here?
I have electrical stuff - the rubber on the wires are a freak show...

It's overwhelming when I think about it...

-Thanks for reading my late night brain dump
Justin

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02-04-13 01:32 AM - Post#2313478    
    In response to justinjames

Hi Justin,

Welcome to Chevy Talk! Sounds like you are looking at a fun project.

What year and model Chevy do you have? Post a couple of pictures if you have the time.

Was the engine running on some level when you parked the car last? If so, I bet you could get it running again with just a bit of lubrication.

Lots of advice on this Forum--I'll let the experts take it from here!

Good luck,



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02-04-13 04:55 AM - Post#2313494    
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Hi Justin
I would pull the wheels off and check the brakes for binding first. Turn the adjuster wheels on the rear of the brakes to help make it easier to remove the wheels. Go from there. Pick one thing at a time to work on or check out. These cars are really pretty easy to work on and there is lots of help here.

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02-04-13 06:35 AM - Post#2313521    
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First thing to do is purchase a reproduction shop manual for the car, it will repay the 25 or so bucks big time over years. Second as stated do the brakes, any car that has sat as long as yours will be due, and that would include the Master cylinder. Once you can stop it then you can worry about driving it. You will get a lot of help here and remember that there are no dumb questions.

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02-04-13 06:51 AM - Post#2313523    
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Amen about the shop manual. Until you get one you can look at the manual online here thanks to Keith Hardy.
http://chevy.oldcarmanualproject.com/shop/1949_53/...

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02-04-13 06:54 AM - Post#2313526    
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Welcome to CT. I would second what 2blue52 said about the shop manual. Mine is so worn from using it so much in my two builds that I'm thinking of getting a replacement!

What a great project especially the family history of the car.

Bill Gommel

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02-04-13 09:00 AM - Post#2313555    
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  • 2blu52 Said:
First thing to do is purchase a reproduction shop manual for the car, it will repay the 25 or so bucks big time over years.



2Blu52 is mistaken! He's wrong! When you get the Shop Manual it will pay for itself big time in about 3 days!

Welcome to CT Justin. Ditto on posting pictures and dealing with possible stuck brakes. It sounds like you have a pretty good idea of what to do. I love that you're keeping it basically stock. They are a lot more fun IMO if kept stock. Also ditto on filling out your signature so we can see what your car is like.

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02-04-13 10:34 AM - Post#2313581    
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(whoops - this is where I wanted to post this)


As promised... Here she is. The lock on the storage unit was rusted to the point the key wouldn't turn.


So the title says 1952 Bel Air and I'm no expert. I believe it would be more accurate to say Styleline Delux? I'll have to decode the Vin tonight. Ohh and I'm upating the profile.

1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


 
justinjames 
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02-04-13 10:38 AM - Post#2313582    
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Most excellent idea. Whats incredible is that I have an original service manual. It covers if memory serves me 1944 - 1954 Chevys! Nothing like old school.

1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


 
justinjames 
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02-04-13 10:40 AM - Post#2313586    
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Thanks man - I really appreciate the feedback. I think I will during my lunch today! I was pretty tempted to buy a set of bearings!

1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


 
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02-04-13 11:09 AM - Post#2313597    
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Welcome to CT Justin!!! You will get a wealth of info on this site.

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02-04-13 11:16 AM - Post#2313600    
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You need to set up a signature also. Thats the part that we see, under the dotted line, at the bottom of every post. You can look at mine and get an idea.

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02-04-13 11:49 AM - Post#2313613    
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Welcome to the best Chevrolet forum, and bunch of guys there is! We have all been exactly where you are, and it can be overwhelming, to say the least. Make a plan of attack, so to speak, and do one thing/project at a time. Your biggest advantage is "youth", as compared to a lot of us. A helper is one of the biggest assets to have; my nephew is mine, and only cost me giving him a car, virtually all the parts, a place to work on/store the car, and all the tools needed. We have completely rebuilt/replaced/updated everything on the car (1951 Chevrolet Business Coupe), and all that's really left to do is body work/paint, then redo the interior. But they're never really "done", are they? Our plan was "out with the old-in with the new", and I had almost everything stock piled for one of my tri-five projects. Since the plan was for a modified/hot rod/gasser type car, it was easier "building" the car than keeping the car stock. Another thing particular to your car, what would Grandpa wanted? I think that's an important part of the direction you take with the car. Good luck, and keep us up to date on the project. Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
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02-04-13 11:17 PM - Post#2313831    
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welcome Justin... get that thing pulled out into the sun and get some more pictures up here.
looks like a good project to start on..

Jim
Salem, Oregon
1950 chevy, sport coupe. gone, but not forgotten
2011 chevy, SS camaro, synergy green
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justinjames 
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02-05-13 12:39 AM - Post#2313834    
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Ohh I did... its now in my garage... This weekend I'm going to get her on casters and doing me some bearings or breaks... one of them anyway. It was a monster to get off the flat bed and into the garage.
One day I plan it drive it out



1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


Edited by justinjames on 02-05-13 12:40 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-05-13 12:45 AM - Post#2313835    
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I can't believe the knowledge here... and I'm very appreciative for all the feedback.

I've got some questions on the block and the head. The casting on the head reads 3836848 and the block is B53 848 350. My read of this that:
A - this is original OEM stuff
B - The block is a.... 53 ?
I really hope that its not a splasher. The rebuild on that is spendy... But wow - what is the block? I did spend some time on google without any luck.

Thank you guys for all your help and comments.

1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


 
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02-05-13 07:37 AM - Post#2313893    
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I don't have the decoding off hand, but is the engine seized up?
YOu are on the right track though. Take a wheel at a time, It's most likely the brakes hanging up not letting the wheels turn. also check all the metal brake lines and if suspect, just replace them Not a terribly hard job to do.



 
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02-05-13 08:55 AM - Post#2313908    
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I believe your head is a '58-'62 235 head.
That B53, where did you find that number?
If it was cast into the passenger side of the block, right behind where the starter would go, it's the date code which would bring up an interesting question. But first tell us where you found the B53.

The date code for the head is under the valve cover on the driver's side about half way back.
Like this:


The above date code (A 22 5) would be Jan. 22, 1965 since this head is an 848 head that wasn't being produced in 1955.

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02-05-13 06:38 PM - Post#2314069    
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When I got my car it had broken brake return springs. Those can keep the wheels from turning all by themselves!

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justinjames 
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02-06-13 01:02 AM - Post#2314139    
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  • rrausch Said:
I believe your head is a '58-'62 235 head.
That B53, where did you find that number?
If it was cast into the passenger side of the block, right behind where the starter would go, it's the date code which would bring up an interesting question. But first tell us where you found the B53.

The date code for the head is under the valve cover on the driver's side about half way back.
Like this:


The above date code (A 22 5) would be Jan. 22, 1965 since this head is an 848 head that wasn't being produced in 1955.



<Warning - Images attached!>

Thank you. So the casting was on the passenger side, and I knew better... but it was also some stuff on the head. (blame it on late nights in the office). But that isn't on the block...

I pulled the valve cover off and got some more info on the head. E27 3 was what I found.



another stamp


I also noticed that the copper oil line that runs up over rockers has come mighty kinks in it. I'm pretty sure this isn't an optimal config.


I hope this works out to be good news. If the motor isn't a splasher, I don't need to track a more modern one down, as I have that. Heres to hope!

If anyone has any ideas on where to get a good buy on generators - let me know

On a side note - I needed to get some of my garage back, between the Chev and the Jeep it was pretty tight in there. I went with some wheel caster dolly things from horror freight. This car isn't light, at all. There is no "push and it goes here". Point the wheels in the direction you want to go and give a mighty heave(or 3, or 10)!

I plan to start pulling wheels tomorrow, I'll see what father time has brought me. Stay tuned...

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Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


 
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02-06-13 06:07 AM - Post#2314158    
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Justin, the kinks are supposed to be there. According to this forum (search it) it helps restrict the oil flow to keep the valve train oiled. I'm sure not an expert and am in the same boat as you. Mine sat for about 15 years and the brakes were a mess. Also, one e brake cable was stuck. Good luck with the car.

Terry Martin
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1967 chevelle
1999 tahoe
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02-06-13 06:10 AM - Post#2314160    
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Justin,

I believe the pinched line is likely steel and most are pinched at this point. The looped portion is a return line sending oil to the sump. Rocker oiling was or would become insufficient and folks would pinch the return line to up the pressure and force as much oil out the rockers as possible.

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02-06-13 08:58 AM - Post#2314207    
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  • new2me52 Said:
Justin, the kinks are supposed to be there. According to this forum (search it) it helps restrict the oil flow to keep the valve train oiled. I'm sure not an expert and am in the same boat as you. Mine sat for about 15 years and the brakes were a mess. Also, one e brake cable was stuck. Good luck with the car.


Thanks - I had no idea.
I am very interested to find out whats under the drums. I'm pretty sure it wont be pretty...

1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


Edited by justinjames on 02-06-13 08:59 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-06-13 10:35 AM - Post#2314230    
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If the casting number of the head is 3836848, and the date code is E 27 3, then as I understand it the head was cast in 1963 and is a replacement head--that's good news.

My guess is that someone has replaced the engine at some point in it's life. The B53 848 350 number doesn't look like an engine casting number to me. If you could pull the starter and look on the block for the date code cast there, it would help.

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02-06-13 11:20 AM - Post#2314235    
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now THATS some serious dust from storage.....
HOw long has it been there...since like 1954?

This is a GEAT site........I know a lot about the 53/54 and am still amazed what the members of this site can impart.
Glad ya landed here.

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02-06-13 01:18 PM - Post#2314264    
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  • rrausch Said:
If the casting number of the head is 3836848, and the date code is E 27 3, then as I understand it the head was cast in 1963 and is a replacement head--that's good news.

My guess is that someone has replaced the engine at some point in it's life. The B53 848 350 number doesn't look like an engine casting number to me. If you could pull the starter and look on the block for the date code cast there, it would help.



Thank you for the note. I'll pull the starter tonight and get the numbers. I really appreciate it.

1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


 
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02-06-13 01:24 PM - Post#2314265    
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  • Happy Belair Said:
now THATS some serious dust from storage.....
HOw long has it been there...since like 1954?

This is a GEAT site........I know a lot about the 53/54 and am still amazed what the members of this site can impart.
Glad ya landed here.



It was freaky how much dust there was. She took a -long- nap (I think it was 12 years). One thing that was kind of fun - when I opened the door to the unit, I could smell her and had a huge moment of nostalgia. Time to get serious about making her mobile again! I ordered a replacement gas tank today, step one anyway. I know its a long shot, but I hope to drive her a little in the summer. It's kind of odd - I remember back in the day there were running 235 motors around, now its not so much.

It's really amazing the knowledge around here, I'm thrilled to be here.

1952 Chevy 2 Door Hardtop
Great body - straight
No interior to speak of - the spring pokes me in the...
Engine is officially a work in progress


 
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02-06-13 01:44 PM - Post#2314274    
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Nothing like having a Barn find that is your own car.
You have come to the right place. These guys are full of it . Information that is . I recently bought a 55 chevy and these guys are a great bunch of people with tons of expert answers. Welcome aboard my friend.

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02-06-13 02:08 PM - Post#2314279    
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  • justinjames Said:







OK you eagle eyed CT guys. Take a look at the temp sending unit adapter. Isn't this the adapter that had to be used when a 55+ head was put into a '54 and below Chevy? If so that's more evidence it's a later head.

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02-06-13 03:01 PM - Post#2314292    
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Wow, talk about an eagle eye! I never saw that!

As far as pulling the starter to get the casting date code, you may be able to see it with the starter in place, like this:





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1951 Bel Air - January build date.


 
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