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Username Post: '61 Impala & 500 Steering Box?        (Topic#248665)
XavierTheXMan 
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09-04-10 03:50 PM - Post#1971493    

Hi,

New to the forum and I'm looking to up grade my steering box. Right now I have an original power steering box and a 3 core radiator. What will I need to upgrade to the 500 steering box and will I need to modify anything? Is this an easy install?

Currently there is play in my steering, will this change over fix this problem for me?

Thanks for your help.

Xavier



 
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09-07-10 07:03 AM - Post#1972694    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

With the 3 core radiator you will have the clearence for the box. All you will have to do is get the new rag joint setup for your intermediate shaft and install it.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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XavierTheXMan 
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09-07-10 04:07 PM - Post#1972902    
    In response to cpptech

So what do I need from your company to make this switch work?

Can you list the complete parts I need to buy from CPP?

Thanks.



 
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09-08-10 07:22 AM - Post#1973196    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Steering box # CP50003, Rag Joint #5864RJC-S

Based on you having stock manual steering this will adapt the lower part of the steering. We also sell a kit like this one:

http://www.classicperform.com/Store/1955_1970_Full...

and

http://www.classicperform.com/Store/1955_1970_Full...

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
800-522-5004


 
XavierTheXMan 
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11-12-10 01:29 AM - Post#2003041    
    In response to cpptech

actually I have original power steering set up in the car...I just want to up grade it for a better feel and tighter steering. Can you list the rest of the parts I need to make this work on my car. I'd like to buy this weekend.

Thank you for your time.



 
Jalapeno 
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11-19-10 09:14 AM - Post#2006439    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Xavier, I'll try to help you figure this out.

Here's a list of all the parts you'll need to convert from factory power steering to the new 500 gear, with this set-up you will use your existing pump, brackets and pulleys.

CP50003 power gear
5864RJCS rag joint
5862CL center link
605HK hose kit

That last part is a hose kit, but you can also modify your existing hoses if there's a hose shop near you. I find it more convenient and about the same cost to just get the new hoses.

Hope this helps.

Jalapeno


 
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11-22-10 12:20 PM - Post#2007913    
    In response to Jalapeno

Thanks Jalapeno! I did not get this notification by emai.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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mbc 
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11-25-10 12:18 PM - Post#2009390    
    In response to Jalapeno

You need the pitmanarm also.

Impala 1960 sport sedan


 
XavierTheXMan 
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12-03-10 09:58 AM - Post#2012951    
    In response to Jalapeno

Thank You Jalepeno.

Mbc just said I need a Pitmanarm. Is that correct? I need to add that to the list? Aaron?

Thanks again guys for your help.



 
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12-04-10 09:19 AM - Post#2013359    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Yes, the pitman arm would also need to be replaced. Use part # 6164SLK this is the centerlink kit (centerlink, pitman and idler)

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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XavierTheXMan 
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01-21-11 12:33 AM - Post#2034891    
    In response to cpptech

Hey Aaron,

One last question: Will I need to cut/weld/alter anything to put this application on my 61 impala or is pretty much install ready to go?

Also, any specials this month on these items?

Thank You.



 
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01-21-11 09:34 AM - Post#2035038    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

No cutting or welding... The only thing you have to check for is if your radiator is a HD version it may require notching the lower tank for clearance.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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XavierTheXMan 
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01-21-11 10:55 AM - Post#2035069    
    In response to cpptech

I have a 3 core radiator so I think I'm good.

Are you guys open tomorrow and can I come by and purchase them? Are these items in stock? Will you guys be at the Roaster Show in Pomona selling product?

If anyone else would like to comment on the installment on a 500cpp Steering box experience please do so AND tell me how the car is driving now?

Thanks.



 
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01-21-11 01:03 PM - Post#2035117    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

We are open from 8-12 tomorrow. Yes, we have this in stock. We dont attend the roadster show.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
800-522-5004


 
XavierTheXMan 
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01-23-11 12:53 PM - Post#2036034    
    In response to cpptech

I bought them. Wish me luck on the install...going to find a day all to myself so I can do it in one shot. I will VLOG this on my website once I'm done for all to see. Thanks Aaron.



 
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01-24-11 09:49 AM - Post#2036490    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

No problem! Let me know if you have any questions!

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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XavierTheXMan 
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01-24-11 06:02 PM - Post#2036714    
    In response to cpptech

Just going over the stuff I have and it looks like I could have saved money($140) by just buying
CHEVY FULLSIZE CENTERLINK ADAPTER 500 605 NEW!
& CHEVY IMPALA 500 605 STEERING BOX KIT PACKAGE?

Am I wrong on this? Also, looks like I might have the wrong "Centerlink" with out the bolt where the cotter pin goes. Please advise.



 
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01-25-11 08:21 AM - Post#2036983    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

That would be one way to do it... But the adapter is the cheap way out in my opinion (both cost and parts!) the new centerlink combo is the right way to go! Better direct feel and function then the adapter. It is well worth the additional money and you get the new pitman, idler and centerlink.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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XavierTheXMan 
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01-31-11 08:40 PM - Post#2040308    
    In response to cpptech

HELP!
So I took out the old steering and started putting the new one and came up with some problems.

OLD Steering


That was easy...now the hard part...installing it. You folks said it was an easy bolt on and so far it is not unless I'm doing something wrong. CORRECTION!!!! There is some drilling involved in this set up for 1961 Impala. I had to make the holes bigger for the bolts to fit. not a problem I can do that.



Gear box is much bigger and it hits the 3 core Radiator. Do you have a smaller one that fits? maybe I picked up the wrong one???


3 inches is what I have from the radiator. What do I do to make it work?

YES. The NEW 500 Box is hitting my 3 core radiator?

Also, I bought the rag joint but it looks like I'm missing something else?



This one looked way different from my original one..you didn't tell me I needed to buy a new shaft as well to fit the NEW rag joint I bought..unless I'm missing something and it works??



How does this work with my original shaft?



I guess I NEED a MALE shaft???




FYI Here is the car I've been working on & any help from CPP is much appreciated. I need to get this thing up a running. Thanks for your time.






 
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02-01-11 11:34 AM - Post#2040498    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Nice looking car!

Picture # 3
Like I mentioned previously; you may have to notch the tank for clearance See this link: Ecklers sells an aluminum radiator...
http://www.lategreatchevy.com/chevy-aluminum-radia...


Picture# 4-5-6

The New rag joint piece when using your original steering shaft (only when re-using your stock column) You will need to shorten your stock shaft and mill 2 flat spots to match the supplied coupler.This will now slip into the supplied coupler.



Call me if you need any more assistance.


Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
800-522-5004


 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-02-11 06:09 PM - Post#2041173    
    In response to cpptech

CAN I GET MY MONEY BACK?

Man! That Radiator is $600? WTH?

You don't have a much small gear box?

Is there anymore Cutting in this application or buying I need to do? What about the sway bar?



 
cpptech 
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02-03-11 08:16 AM - Post#2041426    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

The radiator I showed for comparison. You can have your stock radiator notched by a radiator shop.

There is not currently a shorter 500 box. When you put a sway bar on likesome other power boxes you may need to space the D bushings down to add clearance from the pitman arm. All depends on what sway bar.

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
800-522-5004


 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-03-11 11:04 PM - Post#2041791    
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To be honest I don't think I would have bought this application if I knew it was more than "Just a bolt on".

Let's just state it here..."THIS IS NOT A BOLT ON APPLICATION for your 58 -64 Impala" for those coming o
into this page to try to do this with their own car. WAIT for the NEW smaller 500 box to come in or go with the 605.

I'm still waiting for my PIT MAN arm to arrive so I won't know the situation with the sway bar until I get that...CPP said it would take a week and a half because they didn't have it in stock..... still waiting for that last puzzle to see if I need to do more cutting or if I get to get me a NEW sway bar?






 
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02-09-11 12:12 AM - Post#2044037    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

I feel this kit from Eckler's is a much easier and frankly SAFER way to replace, not adapt the intermediate shaft on the 58-64 for the 500 series box. I wouldn't want to trust an amateur's weld or a roll pin on such a critical joint. Using a correctly splined shaft on all connections & new u joint makes for a safe, easy BOLT ON installation.

http://www.lategreatchevy.com/chevy-605-or-500-ser...

George

Chevrolets previously owned:
1947 Fleetline Aerosedan
1955 Bel-Air 4 Door Sedan
1958 Biscayne 2 Door Sedan
1977 Monte Carlo

Currently own:
1957 Bel Air Sport Coupe



 
cpptech 
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02-09-11 04:54 PM - Post#2044365    
    In response to gbafus

We offer the same type setup but that one is for an aftermarket column....

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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XavierTheXMan 
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02-14-11 01:02 PM - Post#2046530    
    In response to gbafus

THANK YOU!

I think that might be the thing to buy. CPP doesn't have this BUT SHOULD sale this item. I'm getting frustrated with them, I was just told it's going to be another 3 WEEKS for the "pitman arm" I ordered with my package 3 weeks ago. Grrrr. 6 weeks of waiting.

There has to be another way to get this done. Use my old stuff and get a Powersteering center link adapter??? Has any one used this?

  • gbafus Said:
I feel this kit from Eckler's is a much easier and frankly SAFER way to replace, not adapt the intermediate shaft on the 58-64 for the 500 series box. I wouldn't want to trust an amateur's weld or a roll pin on such a critical joint. Using a correctly splined shaft on all connections & new u joint makes for a safe, easy BOLT ON installation.

http://www.lategreatchevy.com/chevy-605-or-500-ser...






 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-14-11 01:05 PM - Post#2046532    
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  • cpptech Said:
We offer the same type setup but that one is for an aftermarket column....




HELP! You need to get this in your catalog from Eklers.

What's the alternative for waiting for a PITMAN ARM? Centerlink adapter?



 
62sedan 
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02-14-11 02:20 PM - Post#2046573    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Xavier,

What kind or type of pitman arm do you need for your setup??

Maybe someone on this forum has one to give you or loan you until the CPP unit is available??

Let us know.

Chuck






 
XavierTheXMan 
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02-14-11 04:31 PM - Post#2046618    
    In response to 62sedan

First off let me say thanks to George for the advice on that shaft/adapter etc. I'm looking into your suggestion. I drive my family around in this car and go on long trips so I want it to be safe.

Sorry for being upset "CPP Tech" but hearing the news on the time frame got to me.

Does this push my 30 day return policy back as well? I haven't gotten a chance to use the products I bought or install them to see if everything works correctly because of the pitman arm, what if something goes wrong after the 30 days?

I might cut my losses and just return the parts and get a centerlink adapter and move forward. Are you going to charge me to return the items?

I hate to return ALL these products because of this but I have events to attend(wedding, photo shoot, car shows, etc.) I live in California where the sun shinned this past weekend to 75 degrees. I missed a car event yesterday.

Chuck - Thanks for helping me out. I'm going to see if I can get the Adapter centerlink from them and return the stuff I don't need and move forward or return all my parts and see what else is out there on the market.

CPP tech please respond to my questions, I want to make this work with CPP. Thanks. Xavier

  • 62sedan Said:
Xavier,

What kind or type of pitman arm do you need for your setup??

Maybe someone on this forum has one to give you or loan you until the CPP unit is available??

Let us know.






 
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02-15-11 04:52 PM - Post#2047105    
    In response to XavierTheXMan

Using your stock centerlink with the part # 5864CLA part number (centerlink adapter)

Thanks,
Aaron @ Classic Performance
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