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Username Post: Chemical safety...or, Brake Cleaner = Phosgene!        (Topic#222213)
someotherguy 
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07-24-09 07:51 AM - Post#1741014    

Saw this linked on another forum and felt it was pretty important. Most of us do consider that there are risks and dangers associated with the chemicals we use in the shop, but most of us have probably seriously underestimated just HOW dangerous some can be - like this guy did:

Direct link, since it's likely to be unreadable once the forum software shrinks the picture -> http://www.brewracingframes.com/id75.htm

Can also be found hosted on my site -> http://www.someotherplace.com/info/brakecleaner.jp...

(The scanned in page is 1166x1508 in size so if your browser resizes large pictures, you'll need to blow it up to read it. I cropped the one hosted on my site to be slightly smaller so it should be easier to handle.)



Richard

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100 CHEVY 
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07-24-09 09:03 AM - Post#1741062    
    In response to someotherguy

This is very good information!
You should also post it in Tip's Corner,so it will reach a lot more members!
Mike.

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57Townsman210 
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07-24-09 09:26 AM - Post#1741072    
    In response to 100 CHEVY

Richard,

I'd take it a step further and get Tony or Dee to make it a sticky in each of the Forums. That's good info.

Juergen

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someotherguy 
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07-24-09 09:27 AM - Post#1741074    
    In response to 57Townsman210

Dunno; passing it around a whole bunch might get the original publishers of the article in a copyright uproar. Who knows?

Richard

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57Townsman210 
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07-26-09 05:49 AM - Post#1742043    
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  • someotherguy Said:
Dunno; passing it around a whole bunch might get the original publishers of the article in a copyright uproar. Who knows?

Richard



<LOL> Too late. Already passed it on to my Corporate safety guy who's included it in the weekly safety news. I'm guessing about 14,000 people will have been exposed to it by next Friday.

Thanks again.

Juergen

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aghaga 
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07-28-09 03:53 PM - Post#1743639    
    In response to 57Townsman210

I have switched to Non-Chlorinated brake-clean a while back. Actually the non-chlorinated seems to clean a broader range of deposits than the chlorainated type.



 
74elco for73SS 
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07-28-09 10:41 PM - Post#1743876    
    In response to aghaga

so does this mean its a bad idea to use brake cleaner and a lighter to blow torch wasps nests?



 
Axelrod 
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07-29-09 09:28 AM - Post#1744099    
    In response to 74elco for73SS

Why did this guy wait 9 days to seek medical attention?



 
someotherguy 
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07-29-09 11:41 AM - Post#1744169    
    In response to Axelrod

My guess is like most guys, you ding yourself, and the LAST thing you want to do is go see the doc. I think there was a thread about this in Tip's Corner a while back about the many different reasons WHY you would not go or wait a long time to go.

Something to consider is it also seems like his decision-making capability was pretty heavily impaired. Though at first when he still had the snap to be researching on the web what happened to him, that should have been enough warning to go straight to the ER.

Someone on another forum that seemed to have a chemistry background suggested the argon had zip to do with it - argon being inert. It was simply the high temperature + brake cleaner was all it took.

Richard

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MikeJ 
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01-21-10 08:50 AM - Post#1846460    
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Richard, when I was a fire fighter many years ago we learned quickly about Phosgene. Freon generates phosgene when burned and we all made sure we had plenty of ventilation before performing overhaul if the AC or regrigerator systems were ruptered. IIRC, once phosgene enters the lungs, it turns in to hydroflouric or hydrocloric acid, permanently burning the lining of your lungs. Nasty.

Mike



Edited by MikeJ on 01-21-10 11:00 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
someotherguy 
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01-21-10 09:20 AM - Post#1846483    
    In response to MikeJ

Mike, that's a funny coincidence as I was just discussing that very subject with a long-time A/C man the other day. He said it didn't take much to cause you some serious harm.
These are things we don't think much about as we work in our shops on a regular basis around things that could easily hurt us badly or even kill us if we were to slip just a little bit or make a seemingly innocuous bad decision.

Some members on another forum ridiculed the guy for being stupid, but many of us have done similar stupid things and just got lucky. I applaud that he had the stones to stand up and admit he did something stupid that almost killed him, and write up an article to try to keep it from happening to others.

Richard

p.s. Good to see you back on the forums.

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MikeJ 
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01-24-10 07:11 PM - Post#1848870    
    In response to someotherguy

Hey Richard. Speak of the devil gas....

This is less than an hour from the house.

http://www.wsaz.com/news/headlines/825651 37.html




Mike



 
grubs 
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04-14-10 11:56 PM - Post#1898759    
    In response to MikeJ

Totally agree with you there, we had a fire in our ships A/C (R22) unit, luckily we had indirect cooling through weathermakers onboard otherwise we would of had phosgene gas go throughout the ships ducting.

I would rather drive a mile in my chevy then ten in your go green, tree hugging, fairyfloss hybrid.


 
tmsnyder 
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05-28-12 03:00 AM - Post#2230620    
    In response to 100 CHEVY

You'll get a similar result with brake cleaner in the same room as a torpedo heater. Not even near it, just some of the vapors made it to the heater on the other side of the room. Didn't send us to the hospital but made eyes and lungs burn enough to scatter us out of there.

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2blu52 
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10-22-15 01:51 PM - Post#2584141    
    In response to Axelrod

  • Axelrod Said:
Why did this guy wait 9 days to seek medical attention?


Who cares that he waited 9 days, he is just like most of us,"It will go away by itself" attitude. We all do it, hell I did it for 6 months with lung cancer and so have several other people I know.

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Ray P W 
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10-02-16 04:03 PM - Post#2654532    
    In response to someotherguy

someotherguy,

Thank you so much for posting that. You may have saved someone's health or even their life.

Apparently chlorinated cleaners can do that, as well as R12 refrigerant.

Ray W



Edited by Ray P W on 10-02-16 04:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 




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