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Username Post: 2Loose 55 Gasser Questions        (Topic#212981)
raycow 
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01-04-16 12:39 PM - Post#2599936    
    In response to 2Loose

  • 2Loose Said:
I found one but the seller says he doesn't want to ship to Hawaii or Alaska. Can't figure that one, as both UPS and FedEx both deliver to my shop every day!


Where is the seller's place of business? Maybe one of us can trans-ship it for you, if you don't mind paying two shipping charges.

Ray

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01-06-16 07:33 AM - Post#2600283    
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Caster: I'd say 2-5 degrees & use leaf spring
wedges if you need more or less.

Wheel width: Remember to allow for fender-well
headers & tilt nose. You can be "Off" a few
inches either way, because of wheel Off-set
correction allowances.

Four-Door 55' Gasser's: I've only seen them as
Station wagons...But A friend of mine had a 57'
Chevy Hot-Rod that looked pretty cool. It was
a 4DHT (No Post) that he took the L&R Rear
(Outside) door handles and switched sides but
instead of mounting them in stock position he
mounted the handles to look like suicide doors
(Unlike others that just shave the rear door
handles off)... It looked cool!



 
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01-07-16 10:50 PM - Post#2600607    
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  • raycow Said:
Maybe one of us can trans-ship it for you, if you don't mind paying two shipping charges.


Yeah, that might work, lemme see what I can work out...

The latest:
Finally got back on it, my injured left hand is sorta workin' again, so put it to work. Got the tranny out of Patches. Now to see where I broke it...

More pix here...
Willy




 
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01-08-16 11:55 AM - Post#2600679    
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Been running some calcs,using the gear ratios I'm heading for with a new OD Richmond Gear box:
2.89/ 1.85/ 1.31/ 1.00/ 0.77, with a 4.56 rear end,
I'm running some pretty tall tires, 31", my speeds at my usual 5,500 rpm shift point calcs out to be:
first: 38 mph
second: 60 mph
third: 85 mph
fourth: 111 mph
fifth: 144 mph
I don't think I have the hp to get to 144 as I cross the line.
Past experience looks like crossing the line at 120 to 125 in
fifth at about 4,800 rpm

If I take it to 6,000 shift point (I'm a bit leery of doing that) my speeds are:
first: 42 mph
second: 66 mph
third: 93 mph
fourth: 121 mph
fifth: 158 mph

No way that car is going to do 158 thru the lites...
Might start edging towards 130, but more likely just a slightly quicker
120 to 125 mph.

Most likely would ride the rev limiter through the lites at 6,000 in fourth, vs barely hitting fifth through the lites and losing that shift time...

On the street fifth gear at 65 mph will be 2,500 rpm, a good cruising speed for this motor, it loves 2,000 to 3,000 rpm.

And in fifth at 45 mph the rev is 1,800 rpm, downshift to 3rd (3,000 rpm) and hit it taking it to 5,500 (85 mph), shift to 4th and hit it again and I'm gone....
Willy



 
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01-08-16 04:52 PM - Post#2600719    
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Is it my eyes or the picture playing tricks on me, but the input shaft splines look twisted?

Charles

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01-08-16 09:56 PM - Post#2600769    
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That's got to be an illusion. If those were twisted as bad as they look, you'd never get it out of the flywheel.

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01-09-16 09:09 AM - Post#2600821    
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Have you given any thought to selling or trading your Ford axle and using a proper width one with the correct bolt pattern? Just a thought.

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01-09-16 01:15 PM - Post#2600868    
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My thoughts also but I just had to ask!

Charles

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01-09-16 04:38 PM - Post#2600910    
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  • WagonMan Said:
Is it my eyes or the picture playing tricks on me, but the input shaft splines look twisted?



naww, it's just an illusion, here's a closeup, you can see the wear marks from the dual disk clutch setup:



Lost third gear, about five teeth gone on the counter shaft gear:



Having a problem finding a replacement for that gear, the main shaft 3rd gear is available.

1st, 2nd and the input shaft gear set have been replaced in the past, 3rd and 4th are still from the original gearset.

More pix HERE
Willy



 
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01-09-16 04:42 PM - Post#2600911    
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  • Bob491 Said:
Have you given any thought to selling or trading your Ford axle and using a proper width one with the correct bolt pattern? Just a thought.

Not sure I understand the question. Are you referring to the front axle?
If so, the width on this one is good, no problem there. The front axle I cut and narrowed is on the shelf, this one is not cut. If I wanted to change the bolt pattern to the same as the 5 on 4-3/4" that's on the rear, I'd just change the hubs out.
Willy




 
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01-10-16 11:01 AM - Post#2601123    
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The real problem with the Richmond Gear design, as I see it, is that the main shaft and the input shaft, which fit together as a single inline unit, have no intermediate support anywhere, it is only supported on the ends, making it weak where the input shaft fits into the main shaft.

This allows it to flex under heavy loads, spreading the gear sets apart so that there is less than full face contact between the gears. Under heavy loads this eventually causes the gears to give way at the tips, or the outer half of the gear tooth, then it all goes away from there...

Look at this fuzzy close up pic of the failed 3rd counter shaft gear, a good part of the gear tooth root is still there. Once the loose parts were cleared away, the 3rd gear set still meshes and turns, as there is still enough of the gear tooth root left to mesh with the teeth on the main shaft gear.


I've been told that GForce and Liberty both support the mainshaft in the middle somehow to prevent this deflection, making a stronger gear box. Am checking that out. Have been looking at a Jerico, they have many gear options in their road race 5 speed. I don't know yet if they also have additional support on their main shaft setup. I also just don't know how I can afford that box. As I like a wide ratio spread for out on the road, I've been playing with Jerico's gear ratio selections and have come up with this as a possibility:

This is the Jerico Gear Ratio I've selected, shown with % change to the next gear:
1st, 3.58, 36%
2nd, 2.29, 27%
3rd, 1.68, 24%
4th, 1.28, 22%
5th, 1.00

For comparison, here's my current Doug Nash (also old RG) setup:
1st, 3.28, 35%
2nd, 2.13, 26%
3rd, 1.57, 21%
4th, 1.24, 19%
5th, 1.00

One more comparison, the new OD Richmond Gear 5 speed:
1st, 2.89, 36%
2nd, 1.85, 29%
3rd, 1.31, 24%
4th, 1.00, 23%
5th, 0.77

Richmond Gear has run the ratio range up from the earlier 3.28 to 1.00, to the present "overdrive" 2.89 to 0.77. By changing my rear end gearing from a 3.50 to either a 4.33 or a 4.56, I'd barely notice the difference between the earlier gear ratio set and the new gear ratio set for the Richmond Gear setups. They moved those ratios up to decrease the gear tooth stress inside the box. This allows them to up the power rating from 450 ftlbs to 600 ftlbs. But really, their gear box is still just as weak without any middle support on that main shaft.

With my 31" tall tires, and a 3.50 rear gear, I get the following road speeds at 2,500 rpm with the Jerico gears shown above:
1st, 18 mph
2nd, 27 mph
3rd, 33 mph
4th, 42 mph
5th, 66 mph

Taking each gear to 3,500 to shift I get:
1st, 26 mph
2nd, 38 mph
3rd, 47 mph
4th, 59 mph
5th, 92 mph, oops!

I redline this motor at 5,500:
1st, 40 mph
2nd, 60 mph
3rd, 74 mph
4th, 93 mph
5th, 145 mph, Nawww, that'll never happen!

Always fun to work through these calcs and imagine "what if...."
Aloha,
Willy



 
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01-12-16 12:48 PM - Post#2601600    
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Been looking at other options for a stick, G-Force and Liberty come to mind, checking that out. Also the upgraded Tremec TKO-600 from American Powertrain, which is running about 8 weeks to fill an order.

If I go that route with a new one, with a long wait time for production and delivery, I'm tempted to just clean up my DN and pull the cluster shaft 3rd gear out and just run it 1-2-4-5, heck, I often skip shift it on the street anyway, in the past have varied it from 1-3-4 and 1-2-4 to even 1-3-5, so pulling 3rd and driving it for awhle while waiting for a new box that would hold up better might be the way to go. No biggie to do that with the DN box.
Willy



 
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01-12-16 05:18 PM - Post#2601655    
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Willy,
I got a TKO 500 tremec. Brand new never had trans oil in it. 5-speed 327 1st gear. Good for 500 ft. lbs. of torque. 26 spline input 31 spline output w/the Hurst shifter, if you would be interested.

Bob



 
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01-13-16 12:08 PM - Post#2601808    
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Pulled the counter shaft partway down and found I need a spacer for where 3rd gear is, so will make that up next from a piece of 2" pipe...


More pix HERE
(scroll down for latest)

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01-13-16 03:10 PM - Post#2601826    
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I've said it before, it's time for a TH400; even a clutch-turbo if you absolutely have to have a clutch. You already have the scatter-shield, flywheel, clutch assembly, and the slip yoke is probably the same as what you currently have. It'd be easier to drive, faster/quicker on the strip, and probably hold up better than the DN's. OK, I'm jumping down off the soapbox now. Good luck with whatever you do with it.
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




Edited by 56sedandelivery on 01-13-16 03:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-13-16 09:28 PM - Post#2601927    
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Machined a piece of scrap 2" pipe from the scrap pile to fill in the space behind the 2nd gear on the cluster shaft.


Looks good to me...
(new page...)



 
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01-16-16 11:14 PM - Post#2602636    
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Use these long bolts on the top two holes to guide the tranny back into place, also works well to pull the tranny....

More HERE...
Aloha,
Willy



Edited by 2Loose on 01-16-16 11:15 PM. Reason for edit: braingas

 
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01-16-16 11:19 PM - Post#2602637    
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Took Patches for a nice long test drive, she's the same old bitchygal she always was, just missing a gear now, a "special 4 speed" instead of a 5 speed. I'll get 'er back, one way or another...
I didn't realize just how much I missed this old reprobate of an auto, until it fired up and we went for a pretty nice long ride...

Not getting the boost I'm used to, but I'm running two pretty small oil/fabric air filters and they probably need cleaning. Sorta cool to know I can control the boost with dirty air filters. Leads to other mods that maybe with clean filters I can come up with a way to control the amount of full throttle boost I get with air intake controls.

Cool.
Aloha,
Willy



 
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01-18-16 05:28 PM - Post#2603101    
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Update:
I've just learned that Richmond Gear is now owned by a Company called MidWestTruck, And they just told me in an email that they will not support the older Richmond Gear Street 5 speed trannies.

So I will not be able to get the 3rd gear set I need to put this tranny back into full 5 speed operation.

If Richmond Gear will not support parts for the Street Five Speeds that are out there, how can we be assurred they will support the newer OD five speeds they are selling now? I'm staying away from them.

Patches is running just fine with only 4 forward gears, for now, and I've decided to get an upgraded Tremec TKO 600 five speed to replace the Doug Nash/Richmond Gear five (four?) speed.

We'll see how all that works out...
Aloha,
Willy



 
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01-19-16 01:15 AM - Post#2603197    
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Not sure exactly what it is, but there's a DN on that auction site we all know and love for $1500.00 with shifter and adapter plate. There's also a guy selling a second gear for a Richmond 5 speed who says he has a 30 year collection of trans parts; lists his number in the ad , and that may be a lead for you in your part search.
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




Edited by 56sedandelivery on 01-19-16 01:18 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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Here's another Willy. Do a search in the Seattle area Craig's List auto parts; there's a guy in British Columbia, Canada with a DN street 5 speed, disassembled for $800.00! Good for parts you may need to rebuild/repair yours? There you go.
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01-19-16 11:52 AM - Post#2603309    
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Thanks Butch, I'll certainly check those out...



 
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01-23-16 10:20 AM - Post#2604011    
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A guy I talked to at MidWestTruck (the old Richmond Gear), who told me they will eventually have those gears available. So I'm just going to wait and rebuild that old DN when they are available.

In the meantime, I decided finally on an upgraded TKO 600 from an outfit called Silver Sport Transmissions. They have all the parts needed in stock and should be able to assemble and ship a new tranny out to me next week. It should be fine, I'll change out my rear gears from the current 3.50 to a 4.56 to match the higher gear ratios of the TKO five speed. First is 2.87, followed by 1.89, 1.28, and 1.00; OD is 0.64, that's quite a jump from 1:1 4th gear, but with my 31" tall rear tires, the spread sheet looks good with those gears and that 4.56 rear end. Guess I'll find out. I also have 4.11 and 4.33 gear sets on the shelf if I want to try those, and I can change out and set up those gears fairly quickly, have done it a bunch of times. I like the Ford 9" setup that way, and have standardized all my rides on that rear axle.
Aloha,
Willy

Update:


More HERE
(scroll down for latest)



 
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IT'S HERE....



What fun !!!



 
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02-04-16 03:30 AM - Post#2606591    
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Hi 2loose. Given that I saw you were running boost I feel you are always going to have issues with street oriented manual 5 speed box's for one fundamental reason.
When you have a lot of torque and a long cluster shaft it will always be being forced apart from the meshing gears. That's a fundamental physical property of two counter rotating shafts in gear mesh. I would expect third to be the set to go every time as its the middle coupling furthest away from the bearings.
As the two shafts start deflecting your cluster gears are not so likely to banana away because of the support bearing but the main shaft is, and that makes the middle mesh the weakest link. Richmond new its an issue or why else have a centre support in the cluster.

Not an issue in Autos as the gear action is always axial down the centre shaft and does not have a reaction force that isn't balanced and opposed such as the planets.
That's why a Lenco is a planetary gear set manual, No layshaft and no unbalanced side-loads.
That is pretty much the only way you can make a high torque High HP light weight manual with 5 gears plus.
You can build an incredibly strong traditional 5 and 6 speed manual trans's, they are just large and extraordinarily heavy. The five speed in my old F250 is about 3 times the size of your Richmond trans and I cant' pick it up easily despite it having an all alloy body and bell.
Its designed for up to 450- 500 Hp and similar levels of torque.

If you are running reasonable times in the quarter then five gears is more changes than you should need, particularly with boost.
Unless you are prepared to go to the expense of aftermarket overdrives or quick change diffs, its next to impossible to have both good drag racing ratios and good street driving gears in the same combo.
Cheers Kiwi




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And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 02-04-16 03:38 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-04-16 01:54 PM - Post#2606689    
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Thanks, Kiwi,
I'm slowly learning all these lessons, as I'm a thick headed Scot (just ask my wife....), sometimes it takes awhile for the "facts" to sink in....

I love driving this car on the street, so it is off "the strip" as of now. I don't intend to break this new TKO if I can help it! Street tires only and a 4.56 rear gear will help a lot, as it will break loose and just spin the tires before the trans gets loaded up hard enough to deflect the gears inside, at least that's the way it looks to me. And no more revving it up and dumping the clutch, that's just gotta stop!

I have another car that has a full cage already in it, and a narrowed ford 9" in the rear, I should just make that car the drag strip car with an automatic, and tow it to the track with the '55. It's a '70 Buick Skylark, and is pretty much the same as a '70 Chevelle I used to have, not a lot of differences. We'll see what I do with that car.



More Pix HERE if you want a peek.

Aloha,
Willy



 
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02-06-16 11:00 AM - Post#2607028    
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Started the tranny swap, took lots of pix, too many to post here, so they are HERE on my personal web site, scroll down for the latest.

Got the old box out...

The new tranny jack is sweet! Enough already, wrestling those trannies around like I used to do...

The two trannies...

I'll miss this old Doug Nash, have had it for nearly, and maybe more, than 30 years...

I'll have to pull the shifter stub off of the TKO before installing it, it is too tall and hits the floor, preventing a clean install...

That could be a problem, as the hole in the floor is pretty small, might have to cut it bigger and fab a cover plate in order to have access to reinstall this shifter stub and the shifter handle after the trans is bolted in place.

More later...
Aloha,
Willy



 
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02-07-16 10:59 AM - Post#2607241    
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I had to remove that shifter tower to get the trans in and aligned...



But first I pulled the clutch setup apart and inspected everything. All looks good, but as I've been running the McLeod RST dual disk setup at the track with the ceramic clutch plates, which are a little "grabby" out on the street, and I had the organic clutch disks on the shelf, I went ahead and reinstalled the clutch setup with the organic disks...

It should make for a smoother driving stick shift setup on the street.



Put a new pilot bearing in while I had it apart...



Aligned everything with the old input shaft from my old Doug Nash gearbox...



Posted about 20 new pix on a new page at my wheels maui location, take a look HERE...

More Later...
Willy



 
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02-07-16 02:58 PM - Post#2607300    
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You don't waste time at all, do you? Where does your energy come from; especially with the hand situation; that has to slow you down some? The trans sure looks nice under there; hope it all works out for you. Now, about the Buick Skylark; I took in a 72 Buick Skylark, with a BBC-427, TH400, and Chevelle 4.56 Positraction, 12 bolt in it, as part trade for my rear motored Super Comp Dragster when I sold it (I still regret listening to the neurosurgeon about that!). Then I sold the Buick shortly afterwards. I probably should have hung onto the powertrain from the Buick, now that I'm putting together a 68 Biscayne Street Sleeper/Bracket car. Oh well, and the heck with neurosurgeons; their advice has't had an effect anyways.
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02-07-16 08:36 PM - Post#2607350    
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Yeah, yeah, I here ya...

The hand aches all the time, and gets tired, so I am working my right hand pretty hard. I paddle a one man Hawaiian style race canoe in the ocean 2 or 3 times a week for 2 hours, usually this time of year 7 am to 9 am, then head for home...
(Peek here at what I paddle...)
I had to stop paddling when I injured myself last summer, but got back into it right after Thanksgiving, working up as my left hand adapted to the exercise...
I used to be a marathon runner, fast, 3 hrs plus a few to run 26 miles, ran 15 marathons and countless 10 k's, and then had knee problems, surgery, so took up swimming and surfing. It really keeps me going for all kinds of other stuff, like gardening and working on my cars...

Meanwhile:

Started on an adapter plate from new tranny support to old tranny mount plate:

Needs about an inch forward and 3/8" up, so going to use a piece of 3/8" plate...

More HERE, scroll down...


Aloha, more later....
Willy




Edited by 2Loose on 02-08-16 10:04 AM. Reason for edit: ......HUH?

 

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