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Username Post: 2Loose 55 Gasser Questions        (Topic#212981)
2Loose 
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02-13-14 01:50 AM - Post#2426410    
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Got the new 3rd gear from Richmond Gear, and got a new snap ring to put on the cluster shaft by the 4th gear, that was missing when I disassembled the trans. I wonder if it broke and that's what caused the trans failure, if it got up into the second gear set about the time I hit the gas???

There were so many small shreds of metal in the trans case, that could have been the cause....

New snap ring holding 4th gear in place:


Assembled the rest, new second gear:




Buttoned up the case halves with RTV, and tested the shifters, nice solid clicks into and out of eachgear.

I'm a happy guy!
Willy

LINK to page two, added more photos....



 

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02-16-14 11:24 PM - Post#2427559    
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Added a few more pix:

Cut a new gasket for the "nose cone"...



Sealed up the counter shaft and reverse idler gear shaft holes with those disks and some rtv...



Then bolted everything up in front...

Those two disks are bolted up tight against the bell housing, so they don't come loose...



Then bolted the tailshaft housing on with rtv sealer to keep it all dry...



Aloha,
Willy



 
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02-18-14 09:18 AM - Post#2427987    
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Well, it's together and running just fine!!
Now to fix the busted headlight and straighten out the fender from the flat towing accident I had, so I can put the hood back on when I want to...
Just easy drivin' for awhile though, make sure everything is ok...
Aloha,
Willy




 
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02-18-14 09:23 AM - Post#2427989    
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Thanks for posting those trans pics Willy. I enjoyed your trip thru the gear set! Glad to hear it's back on the road.

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02-18-14 09:47 AM - Post#2427993    
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Happy Birthday!!!

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02-18-14 03:46 PM - Post#2428078    
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Happy Birthday ....Willie and many more to come.....Donny



 
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02-19-14 04:19 PM - Post#2428442    
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That trans tear down was a great read. Pictures are great. Loving this post Willie, keep up the good work.

-Nathan



 
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02-20-14 03:56 PM - Post#2428747    
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Many thanks, guys, it was fun doing it actually, learned a lot, and it was pretty straight forward the way it is put together.
BUT!
I'm beginning to doubt my mechanic's abilities, the tranny let go about an hour ago, the full power, power shift from 2 to 3 (or was it the 3 to 4 shift?) got really noisy all of a sudden! Shut it down and coasted to the side of the road. A buddy happened to come by with his rollback truck, gave me a quick ride back to my house....
Now I get to pull it out again, should be gettin good at that my now....
It will be interesting to see just what went wrong inside there...
Willy



Edited by 2Loose on 02-20-14 03:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-21-14 05:02 AM - Post#2428887    
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As Mr. Bill, from Saturday Night Live would say, OH NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! You've sure had more than your fair share of problems with the clutch or transmission in the car. I think about now, I'd use the current flywheel/clutch assembly, and your scattershield bolted to a modified TH400 to make a Clutch-Turbo trans; go to extremeautomatics.net, they're making the parts/kits to do the conversion. Then repair the Nash trans, and sell it. Is the Olds engine exceeding the torque limits of the trans? Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
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02-21-14 10:40 AM - Post#2428964    
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Not sure what I'm gonna do with it, I do have a built th400 in a bop case, and I have a 425 flex plate, they are balanced different then the 455 Olds flex plate with a slightly different crank flange bolt pattern, so I could put the th400 in, would require a different length driveshaft. No decision yet....

The DN is rated at 450 ft.lbs, I'm probably giving it a little more then that....

And that's usually the rating for first gear, the higher ratio gears will usually take more, it usually increases as the gear ratio decreases...

And I always figgured my street tires would break loose before the rating got exceeded, a common experience in this car in first and second gear, third would sometimes break loose too, if I was up in rpm and on boost then I shifted, but not so much....

Am also considering a Lenco ST1200...





 
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03-15-14 11:31 AM - Post#2435914    
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Well, a shortage of money has pushed me in the direction of just fixing my Doug Nash and just taking it easy for awhile, as it's obvious this gearbox won't take the HP this motor is making.

When I pulled the tranny and opened it up, it wasn't the third gear that had blown, when I hit third gear, the main input shaft drive gear, and the cluster shaft driven gear is what blew:


Here's a closeup, took these with my cell phone, so this one did not come out very clear, but you get the idea:


The fact that I shut it down immediately I think saved me from more damage. The front mainshaft bearing is noisy, and the front cluster shaft bearing is also a little noisy, so I'm replacing them. The rest of the gear assembly is fine.

Richmond Gear is sending out a new input shaft and gear, and a new cluster shaft driven gear. Nearly $600 for that, and probably another $100 for the bearings, which I can get locally.

Looked at the new Richmond Gear "Super Street 5 Speed", which they say is rated at 600 hp, mine is rated at 450 hp. Would be fun to try one and see how it holds up, but the quoted price is $4,065 plus shipping! Think I'll wait awhile.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/rmg-7050526b/ov e...

It's a mighty fun car to drive, but I can't keep breaking transmissions. Have upgraded the clutch (dual disk McLeod) and the rear end (35 spline 9" Detroit Locker) and the driveshaft with 1350 u-joints, now the tranny is the weak link!
Aloha,
Willy

LINK to tranny repair pages



 
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03-15-14 12:38 PM - Post#2435921    
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There are a couple of "Doug Nash's" on that auction site we all know and love. At the rate you're going, it might be better to have a spare on hand, just to swap out while you're rebuilding the other,......... again. Wish I had your apparent energy. Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
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03-15-14 02:42 PM - Post#2435947    
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I just checked that site for "Doug Nash 4+1 Transmission" and came up w zero. Do you remember what they were going for?

Wonder what I could get for mine after rebuilding it?



 
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03-17-14 11:46 AM - Post#2436503    
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A few more pix of the tranny, waiting for parts to arrive:




The main drive gear on the input shaft:




 
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03-17-14 12:25 PM - Post#2436515    
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  • 2Loose Said:
I just checked that site for "Doug Nash 4+1 Transmission" and came up w zero. Do you remember what they were going for?

Wonder what I could get for mine after rebuilding it?



One was 2500, the other was 1700!!! The first thing I thought about, after seeing them, was the trouble you've had. That was last week. Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
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03-18-14 08:04 PM - Post#2436895    
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Thanks,

If I could get 2500 for my rebuilt box, I'd sell it and give the new RG box a try....
Willy

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03-19-14 09:47 PM - Post#2437157    
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ok, I did it, I just could not stand not having my "gasser" available to me, and I got really tired of busting my "450 hp" Doug Nash 4+1 !

Of course, when RG (Richmond Gear) notified me that the input shaft I need to rebuild my box, will not be available to ship until AUGUST !!!, I sorta had a 'hissy-fit', as my daughter would put it !

So I checked everywhere I had a few pennies hidden away, found a few that needed to be put to "good use", and went and ordered a 600 hp rated Richmond Gear "Super Street" 5 speed. I'm not real pleased that the 5th gear is an overdrive, and the first four are still pretty close ratio, except I went and ordered with the 3.08 (some sources say 3.01) ratio first gear, which will still work pretty well with my 3.50 rear gear. 5th is .7 or something like that, which I probably will seldom use except a very few areas on the island signed at "55", but everybody goes 65-70 and the cops seem to look the other way, unless the County is running short on funds........

LINK to the Richmond Gear "Super Street" 5 speed

If this tranny actually comes with any sort of guarantee, let's see if they live up to it.

I remain....
"2Loose" Willy



Edited by 2Loose on 03-19-14 09:53 PM. Reason for edit: Had a brain fart

 
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03-21-14 08:05 AM - Post#2437455    
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Did you happen to see this?
This one is a lot cheaper. It might pay for your shipping cost.



 
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03-22-14 07:01 PM - Post#2437910    
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Willy can't wait to see what your opinion is on this Super Street 5 speed tranny after you get it installed. I'm sure I'm not the only one that will be interested in what you will have to say.

Brian

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  • jb2009 Said:
Did you happen to see this?
This one is a lot cheaper. It might pay for your shipping cost.



Yes, the Jegs is about $180 cheaper before 2nd day air freight. Surface would take about six weeks. The air freight to Hawaii I got from Summit is $400, plus $3,687 for the tranny, a total of $4,087. Jeg's is saying the freight from them is $560, so that brings theirs to $4,068. I ordered from Summit, they get most of my business. I've had a bone to pick with Jegs for quite a few years though, quit giving them any of my business.



 
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03-23-14 08:46 PM - Post#2438271    
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Hi Willy,
I'm also looking forward to how this new trans works out for you. I've been running my Richmond street 5 speed for 7-8 years now and love the way it shifts. I was thinking of upgrading to a 6 speed but the 5 speed you are getting may be best for my car also.
Good luck with it!

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03-24-14 02:22 PM - Post#2438441    
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  • 2Loose Said:
  • jb2009 Said:
Did you happen to see this?
This one is a lot cheaper. It might pay for your shipping cost.



Yes, the Jegs is about $180 cheaper before 2nd day air freight. Surface would take about six weeks. The air freight to Hawaii I got from Summit is $400, plus $3,687 for the tranny, a total of $4,087. Jeg's is saying the freight from them is $560, so that brings theirs to $4,068. I ordered from Summit, they get most of my business. I've had a bone to pick with Jegs for quite a few years though, quit giving them any of my business.


Willie, Talk about a slow boat from China, I could just see my self having to wait 6 weeks for a new toy like that....Donny



 
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03-25-14 06:53 PM - Post#2438903    
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  • chevybow Said:
Willy, Talk about a slow boat from China, I could just see my self having to wait 6 weeks for a new toy like that....Donny

Yeah, the ocean freight to Hawaii from the lower 48 first goes to places like LA or SanFran or Seattle and waits until they have a full container to Honolulu, then in Honolulu they separate the freight from there to the outer islands, and it goes by barge from Honolulu. And the air freight folks know that so they get away with whatever they can, which is pretty high. We all use the post office whenever we can, it's much cheaper, particularly with the flat rate priority mail boxes! But there's so many vendors in the US who refuse to use the post office, so we end up not buying from them. Jeg's used to do that, but Summit will use the post office where they can, so they get most of my business.
Willy




 
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03-25-14 07:04 PM - Post#2438911    
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Playin' around checkin' the percent of gear change with the two Richmond Gear 5 speeds:



Kinda interesting to look at these numbers....

Well now, Richmond Gear has told both Summit and Jegs that the "super street" 5 speed
will not be available until August! Looking at options.
Willy



 
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Since it looks like the RG "super street" 5 speed is just not available, looking around, I'm considering the Tremec TKO600 road race 5 sp, rated at 600 ft lbs. The gears are very similiar to the RG "super street":
2.87
1.89
1.28
1.00
0.82
Part #TCET4618

Anybody know anything about these boxes?
I was trying to stay with RG because their new 600 ft lb rated box would fit in my car with essentially no changes, not so sure about the Tremec, but it seems to be available now.
Willy



 
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03-26-14 08:48 PM - Post#2439297    
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I haven't heard anything bad about Tremec strength. However, because of the case shape, you may have tunnel clearance issues. The Tremec is wider higher up than the Richmond, if that makes any sense.

It might be a good idea to find one locally that you can measure before you lay down your money. Of course if you don't mind possibly having to do tunnel mods, that could be a non-issue.

Minor stuff: The output spline is Ford, so you will need to change your driveshaft yoke. The speedo gear is also Ford, but you can get an adaptor for a GM type cable.

Ray

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03-27-14 10:04 AM - Post#2439435    
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Hey, Willie! Thought I'd check in with you. Read this thread start to finish, and can't believe it's still active. Great job, man!

John
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03-27-14 10:48 AM - Post#2439445    
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  • 2Loose Said:

Anybody know anything about these boxes?
I was trying to stay with RG because their new 600 ft lb rated box would fit in my car with essentially no changes, not so sure about the Tremec, but it seems to be available now.
Willy



Hey Willy,

Careful if you do buy the Tremec. I'll PM you but a MAJOR supplier/dealer for these just filed for bankruptcy.

-Nathan



 
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03-27-14 11:17 AM - Post#2439451    
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Does the company name begin with "K", or aren't we allowed to talk about that kind of stuff here?

Ray

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I just heard from a good source that Richmond Gear has a new owner who thinks the five speed boxes move too slow and has stopped all production! They've now started telling me instead of August, it will be January to get parts or a tranny!

Maybe it's time for an Allison?

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