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Username Post: 2Loose 55 Gasser Questions        (Topic#212981)
55 Shaker 
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02-08-16 07:47 AM - Post#2607411    
    In response to 2Loose

Willie, down the road I would like to see some feed back on how the top loader shifts compared to the side shifter on your DN. as in normal and abusive shifting. Looking forward to your reply.

TIA. Brian

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02-08-16 10:16 AM - Post#2607450    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
....As the two shafts start deflecting your cluster gears are not so likely to banana away because of the support bearing but the main shaft is, and that makes the middle mesh the weakest link.....



I'm looking for a good engineering schematic of how the interior of the TKO 600 is laid out. Just looking the the two gear boxes side by side:

The main (front) case is much shorter than the DN/Richmond case, and there are more gear sets obviously in the tail section of the case (OD and reverse maybe?), so it has to be much more rigid inside with a whole lot less possibility for deflection between the two gear sets under load.

If I find a drawing or schematic, I'll post it here...

  • 55 Shaker Said:
Willy, down the road I would like to see some feed back on how the top loader shifts compared to the side shifter on your DN. as in normal and abusive shifting. Looking forward to your reply. TIA. Brian



Yes, there will be some good road testing, and I intend to break the tranny in gently, learned my lesson about that !!!

My TKO came with some options, here's one:
"Carbon Fiber Lined Synchronizer Blocker Ring and Bronze Shift Fork Pad Upgrade, for higher rpm shift capability and increased durability..."

I'll definitely report back on that...
Willy




Edited by 2Loose on 02-08-16 10:24 AM. Reason for edit: ....WOW!

 
2Loose 
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02-08-16 10:41 PM - Post#2607615    
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Got the tranny rear mount made and bolted in. Will add some gussets and red paint before it's all said and done...


More pix HERE...

Aloha,
Willy



Edited by 2Loose on 02-08-16 10:42 PM. Reason for edit: Howzit...

 
2Loose 
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02-09-16 07:03 PM - Post#2607806    
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Thought I should mention that when I setup the Lakewood blow bell on the motor back in 2011, I did check the runout on the hole ID and on the bell surface. The hole runout is 0.005", and the surface is 0'004", both numbers are acceptable. Discussed it with my supplier, SST, they saw no reason to have to go and recheck it. That work is shown HERE if you would like a look.

Got the shifter and shift lever installed without having to cut the floor boards, it seems to work great, but need a real road test....

This is the 4th gear position.
Willy

More pix HERE, (scroll down)



 
56sedandelivery 
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02-09-16 09:11 PM - Post#2607826    
    In response to 2Loose

Perusing E-Bay this evening, and I see a 55, Model 150, 4 door sedan in Pearl City, Hawaii for sale. What are the chances there are TWO Model 150, 4 door sedans in Hawaii? Course this one has a 235 six in it. Check it out Willy.
I am Butch/56sedabndelivery.




 
2Loose 
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02-10-16 07:50 PM - Post#2608021    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

Pulled out the spare ford 9" third member, counted the teeth, 4.11, so think that will be the first street test with the new Tremec.
First I have to count the splines, and check what's in Patches, I think 35 spline, but have messed around with different rigs with 31 and 33 splines, so need to check what's what...
Willy



 
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02-11-16 01:12 PM - Post#2608147    
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As everything is ready to go, if I want, with the 3.50 rear end gears still in there, decided to put it back down on the ground and take it for a ride, just to see how it feels with those gears in there. I suspect I'll have to slip the clutch a bit to get going from a stop in first.
Willy

Check This Out:


UPDATE:
Just got back from a ten mile run or so, felt pretty good really, the new organic clutch disks I put in are quite smooth compared to the ceramic ones that were in there. I do have to slip it a bit more than I did with the 3.28 first gear in the DN, with this TKO first gear being 2.87, about 13% higher gearing, if I calc'd that correctly.

So, I'm going to leave it that way for awhile, see how I like driving it this way.
Aloha,
Willy



Edited by 2Loose on 02-11-16 04:21 PM. Reason for edit: Went For A Ride....

 
2Loose 
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02-11-16 09:25 PM - Post#2608263    
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2nd update:
Put another 25 miles on, it's like driving a good highway oriented 4 speed, but with a massive overdone OD (0.64!) !!!
At 50 in a 45 mph speed zone (most of the "main" roads here on Maui), I find myself just using the "4 speed", 4th is a very good cruising gear, and it is 1:1, and if I put it in 5th, at 1000, rpm, the motor (and that doggone Detroit Locker) start "talking back" to me, sort of a very mild "buckin' bronco"....

So, unless I go to deeper rear gears, mostly I'll be driving a four speed around here, which ain't that bad a deal, really, it's an easy tranny to drive, shifts are crisp and exact, downshifts also, and I'm obeying the suppliers edict to "keep 'er easy, Willy for at least 500 miles...."

But, knowin' myself as I do, I betcha I'll get the "itch" and put the 4.56 in there eventually....
Well, just gotta check out the difference, right??
Willy



 
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02-15-16 09:49 PM - Post#2609092    
    In response to 2Loose

UPDATE
Have about 80 miles on now, running back roads at 20 to 40 mph, using the 1st four gears, OD at 0.64 ratio is too much for those speeds, so I'm driving a very nice four speed on those back roads. Running up and down through the gears, nice crisp shifts, both up and down. At 50 in 4th cruising at 1800 rpm is quite nice. (see chart above) At 50 I can downshift to 3rd at 2500 rpm and hit it if I want, 2500 is a real sweet spot for this motor.

But I now wish I had opted for the 0.82 OD instead of the 0.64. It would fit Maui's driving conditions much better. If I wanted to make that change in this gearbox, I'd need to swap out the countershaft as well as the 5th gears, as it is different for that 0.82 gearset. About $600 in parts.

Video Soon....
Willy



 
56sedandelivery 
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02-20-16 03:18 PM - Post#2610235    
    In response to 2Loose

Hey there Willy, I was looking at some other sites, and came across a post made by a guy who works for Auto Gear. His response to someone looking for a tough 5 speed was Legend Gear & Transmission; they make the LGT-700 5 speed transmission, it can go in virtually anything with the available mounting patterns, and the shifter design allows it to be mounted in a bunch of ways for/aft. Don't know if you looked into one or know anything about them; was news to me.
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.

The guy recommended this trans to a fella who had just replaced his M22 Muncie with a Richmond 5 speed, and I thought, oh-oh! He has an education coming with his 496 BBC Chevelle.




Edited by 56sedandelivery on 02-20-16 03:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
2Loose 
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02-22-16 10:46 PM - Post#2610858    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

No, Butch,
That's a new one for me, will check them out, but so far my TKO 600 from SST is doing ok for me...
We shall see....
Willy



 
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02-28-16 10:18 PM - Post#2612137    
    In response to 2Loose

UPDATE...

About 250 miles now on the TKO, no problems so far...
Can't get the video to upload to my computer, don't know what that's about...
Got a speedo from a buddy, it's an Auto Meter electronic unit, but I need a gear
for it and my local Napa guy doesn't know how to help me out,
so am searching for "what do I need" to make this work...
Here's a pic:

Aloha,
Willy



 
raycow 
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03-01-16 01:56 AM - Post#2612365    
    In response to 2Loose

The fitting on the trans side of the adapter takes a Ford driven gear. That same type of gear was used for quite a long time (back to about 1957, I think) and may still be available from Ford dealers.

Based on your tire size and axle ratio, your driveshaft turns approximately 2277 revs/mile. That and the drive gear tooth count (from Tremec) will tell you how many teeth you need on the driven gear.

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
2Loose 
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03-02-16 02:18 PM - Post#2612659    
    In response to raycow

The Tremec supplier told me that I could put any gear on to get it started, then because it is electronic, I can calibrate it out on the road between mile marker signs, or using my GPS on my iphone. Picked up an 18 tooth (yellow) driven gear for $5 and a clip to hold it on at evilbay...

Let's see if that really work...
Willy



 
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03-02-16 03:21 PM - Post#2612667    
    In response to 2Loose

You are absolutely right, of course. It completely slipped my mind that an electronic speedo would have onboard calibration available.

So what years was that type of gear used on? I am pretty sure about 57 being the first, but I don't know the last.

Ray

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03-05-16 02:48 PM - Post#2613248    
    In response to raycow

The parts counter at the local Ford dealer found the gear # I had listed for a series of t-birds, among other models, but I don't remember the years, might have been in the '80's.



 
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03-05-16 04:06 PM - Post#2613263    
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The speedo parts arrived and fit on no problem...




Now to mount everything in the car and see how well it works...



 
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02-12-17 03:20 PM - Post#2676451    
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Been almost a year since my last post on this project, no problems really, drive it daily, enjoy the heck out of it, that's what it's all about, right ?

But....

A couple of years ago I started hearing some clunking sounds in the rear suspension, checked and found the bolts on the panhard bar were coming loose, tightened them up, with locktite, looked for some nylock nuts to put on, the bolts are grade 8, 5/8" x 2" fine thread, and couldn't find any nylocks for that bolt/thread size here on Maui...

So this last week, driving to lunch, the rear end suddenly is loose, and the rear tires, which run pretty close to the inner tubs anyway, are bouncing off the inner tubs. One end of the panhard bar came loose, the bolt is completely gone !!!



I'm lucky I was going slow, 20 mph, when it happened, so was able to stop,
get help, and put a new 5/8" x 2" NF grade 8 back in w/ locktite...
Am looking for 5/8" NF nylocks to put on now, hard to find
here on Maui....



On another note, my year old TKO600 is getting harder to shift...
Particularly from neutral into any gear, and downshifting
through the gears, 1st is often a real bear....

Upshifting is still pretty good.
Will be checking that out, am thinking that maybe the clutch
linkage I adapted from the original '55 has too much leverage,
and not enough travel, and maybe I need to decrease the
leverage, increasing the travel, in order to get more travel clearance
when the clutch pedal is all the way down.

The present setup has so much leverage that the pedal effort
is very light, several of my buddies who have driven the car
have commented on that, as I managed to get a very nice
balance between the over center spring on the clutch pedal,
and the clutch pressure plate springs....

More Later....
Willy



 
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02-12-17 04:36 PM - Post#2676460    
    In response to 2Loose

Google Tacoma Screw Products; it's where I go for fasteners since one of their outlets is about 2 miles away. I'm sure they would ship a few to you.
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




Edited by 56sedandelivery on 02-12-17 04:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
2Loose 
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02-15-17 08:08 PM - Post#2676944    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

For now....
gonna double nut it with lots of blue locktite...
I had put in long enough bolts originally to double nut it, but lagged behind, now Im doing it...



 
alans 55 
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02-16-17 05:13 AM - Post#2676971    
    In response to 2Loose

consider this, take the bolt and drill a hole in it for a cotter pin. Nut might come loose but will not lose nut and bolt. I do that when I don't trust a lock washer. also, might consider red loctite.

alan




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Drivin'my 55 Chebby 210, 355ci 4sp ,9" and playing w/my
40 Ford coupe 327/4sp/9" found and brought back home after 35 years


 
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02-16-17 07:06 AM - Post#2676981    
    In response to alans 55

Here is what I was given by Tremic for spedo gear selection. good day.

The speedo gears are available at a Ford dealer.

16 tooth Wine C0DZ-17271-A

17 " White C3DZ-17271-C

18 " Yellow C0DD-17271-B

19 " Pink C0DZ-17271-B

20 " Black C1DZ-17271-A

21 " Red C4OZ-17271-A



57 B/A wagon, 408"BB with 14' Bonair travel trailer,71 Nova 355"SB, 07 2500HD with 26 Prowler 5th wheel, 09 Impala LT, John Deere lawn tractor,
http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/listing/use r...


Edited by Henrys57wagon on 02-16-17 07:07 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-16-17 11:36 AM - Post#2677023    
    In response to Henrys57wagon

Thanks Henry,
I need to get that done....
But have been lazy, as my cell fone has a great GPS Speedo app that I've been using....



 
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10-31-17 05:36 AM - Post#2712769    
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Switching over to a 2 door will be intense, but will make the 55' look right, probably because all 4 door 55's were Post cars & wouldn't look cool as a Gasser (I've seen 4 door 55'
Gasser's and they just didn't look right), although the 4 door wagons weren't bad looking.
Years ago (1968) a friend had a 57' Chevy 4 door hardtop (No post)& decided to make it look different, so what he did was remove the 2 rear door handles, fill in the holes then switched the left to the right handles and mounted them toward the front of the (Back) doors to made them look like suicide doors. The outside door handles were inoperable from the outside but worked normally from the inside... It wasn't a Gasser but it did look cool!



 
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11-02-17 06:25 PM - Post#2713103    
    In response to ssffnomad

My Brother-in-law just finished this '55 over this last winter. He used 4 in. raised spindles he found on EBay. A retired GM Tech guy makes them. The good news is the car handles better with these spindles than with a straight axel. Another bonus, they can be installed in a 1/2 a day, and changed back just as easy.

Mike
11A66 LOS build 67 Camaro
Bolero Red (orig. color)
Z28 Tribute / Day 2
Orig. 327/700R4 Trans./4:11 Posi


Edited by MyRed67 on 11-07-17 01:54 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-07-17 02:03 AM - Post#2713538    
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Here's photo that goes with above post. It has a 440 hp. 480 ft. lbs. tq. 383 cu. in. with an M21 4 spd. and Ford 9 in. Posi with 355 gears. The White "Diamond Tufted" interior was in the car when he bought it, it cleaned up nice. The Bucket seats are '67 Chevelle. It also has 4 wheel Power Disc brakes and "Line-Loc" which he has used. Very nice handling car. Oh,,,and the "Tear Drop" hood scoop is hand fabricated steel, he is a welder by trade.


Attachment: Tim__s___55.jpg (292.74 KB) 5 View(s)


Here's photo to go with above post;


Mike
11A66 LOS build 67 Camaro
Bolero Red (orig. color)
Z28 Tribute / Day 2
Orig. 327/700R4 Trans./4:11 Posi


Edited by MyRed67 on 11-07-17 02:22 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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11-07-17 03:22 PM - Post#2713596    
    In response to MyRed67

Wow!!! I'd kill for that car. What a wicked looking ride.

In memory of Mike McVeigh, the Mad Springwhacker.


 

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