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Username Post: driveshaft length 58-64        (Topic#189700)
Sal 
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05-16-08 10:07 AM - Post#1434383    

I am converting a powerglide driveshaft to 4 speed muncie,I know the front section is shorter,can somebody post the dimensions and a picture showing where to measure it? anybody using the heavy duty billet center support bearing?
thanks
Sal



Edited by bowtieollie on 11-23-09 05:49 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


raycow 
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05-16-08 12:54 PM - Post#1434496    
    In response to Sal

This question comes up often enough that I saved the info offline. It's a lot faster than trying to run a search for it on the forum. I'm still hoping the moderator will put it onto a sticky.

Note that this is for 59-64 only. If you have a 58 the shaft will be shorter.

Lengths of FRONT driveshafts

4-speed & 3-speed w/OD = 24 5/8"

3-speed & 59-61 Turboglide = 29 3/4"

Powerglide = 26 13/16"

Measurement is tip to tip length with front shaft completely disassembled.... front U-joint and slip yoke removed, center U-joint flange and center bearing removed.

To be on the safe side, remove your old shaft and measure it before cutting to see where (or if) you get the 26-13/16" dimension.

Updated 03/23/15

58 only info
Passenger car (exc O/D and P.G) 25 15/32"
(with O/D) 20 5/16"
(with P.G) 22 17/32"

58-64 Rear shaft 36 1/2"

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Edited by bowtieollie on 03-23-15 01:15 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Sal 
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05-16-08 05:25 PM - Post#1434690    
    In response to raycow

thanks for the inf; now help me understand how to measure it:is it from end to end or from center of u joint to u joint? could post a picture to make sure I dont mess up
thanks



 
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05-16-08 08:45 PM - Post#1434787    
    In response to raycow

I didn't write that. I just saved it. My reading is that you remove the rear yoke so you can measure to the end of the spline. You do not have to take off the front yoke, but don't include it in the measurement. That's why you need to check the 26-13/16" dimension on your own shaft - to find out where it was measured from.

Ray

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12-07-08 10:22 AM - Post#1579532    
    In response to Gusaroo

The OD/4-speed shaft was made in comparatively small numbers and will be priced accordingly if you are lucky enough to find one at all. It will almost certainly be cheaper to have your own (or a salvage yard) shaft cut to the length you need.

Ray

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bowtieollie 
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12-07-08 05:24 PM - Post#1579817    
    In response to Sal

HI Sal,

As Ray recommended, its a better deal to cut your old shaft. (read that as cheaper)

Ray - the post is now STICKY!

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raycow 
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12-08-08 12:35 AM - Post#1579993    
    In response to bowtieollie

Ollie, thank you ever so much.

Ray

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58 Del-pala 
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12-08-08 06:19 AM - Post#1580055    
    In response to raycow

I had my shaft shortened for under $100 with new u-joints installed.



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raycow 
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12-08-08 10:50 AM - Post#1580229    
    In response to Gusaroo

If you don't want to cut your original shaft, you could buy another one to modify. They are not expensive or hard to find.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Impala-X-F rame-Driv...

On the other hand, once you try the 4-speed, I don't think you will ever want to change back.

Ray

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12-08-08 04:42 PM - Post#1580494    
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  • raycow Said:


On the other hand, once you try the 4-speed, I don't think you will ever want to change back.

Ray


The 4-spd gods will smite me for this but after driving my 62 with the T-10 for the last 3 years, I've considered changing over to a automatic overdrive tranny . Bare in mind my daily driver is a 97 Saturn SC2 with a 5 speed so I get my fill of shifting every day!!!

It would be nice to pick up a few MPG with the overdrive too .

Eric

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12-08-08 05:39 PM - Post#1580577    
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Good Lord...... Don't let Tom read this.

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Gusaroo 
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12-08-08 06:13 PM - Post#1580612    
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Take a look at the New Process A833 RPO code:MY6 tranny. Thats what I am using. 4 speed OD, same size as the T10 and same gear ratios as a 700R4 (but a manual)

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12-11-08 12:50 PM - Post#1582690    
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  • Gusaroo Said:
The guy measured it and it is a 4 speed shaft


Who says miracles don't happen any more? You must live right. Congrats!

Ray

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12-11-08 01:02 PM - Post#1582698    
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Well if you are going to run it hard you should probably get a telescoping rear shaft. You will have a lot fewer problems with the bearing support that way.

Ray

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12-23-08 05:07 AM - Post#1591009    
    In response to SmooveP

When I had the shaft cut for the TKO in my car.

Measured the length of the 3-spd from the bellhousing to the end of the tailshaft.
Made the same measurement on the TKO.

The TKO was (IIRC) 8" longer than the 3-spd.
So---that is wnat I took from the front shaft.

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arnieg141 
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01-25-09 04:00 AM - Post#1615159    
    In response to Gusaroo

try speedway atuto parts they sell different lenth

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Jerry Acheson 
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03-13-09 01:12 PM - Post#1650649    
    In response to arnieg141

I started with a 59 Sport Coupe with 283/Powerglide. I installed a 98 350 RamJet with 700R4. We had to cut 5 1/2" off the front shaft on the driveshaft. Hope that helps.

Jerry


 
micke 
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09-21-09 07:10 AM - Post#1775614    
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Anyone.....how is it lenght between th350 or th7oo is it any differens??



 
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09-21-09 02:13 PM - Post#1775788    
    In response to micke

Go look at TOPIC Transmission Dimensions

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http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/204855 0...



 
Biscayne Stocker 
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11-16-09 01:51 PM - Post#1806916    
    In response to speedygman

Showcars automotive sells all the correct front drive shafts for four speed and automatic.

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58 yeoman 
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04-29-10 04:01 PM - Post#1907081    
    In response to Biscayne Stocker

just on the show carts site, and am not understanding the pictures. front drive shaft. http://www.show-cars.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?prea...

rear drive shaft.
http://www.show-cars.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?prea...

what connects the front shaft to the trans then?

am i really that dumb?

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04-29-10 06:47 PM - Post#1907188    
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  • 58 yeoman Said:
just on the show carts site, and am not understanding the pictures. front drive shaft. http://www.show-cars.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?prea...

rear drive shaft.
http://www.show-cars.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?prea...

what connects the front shaft to the trans then?

am i really that dumb?



The yoke would attach to the U-joint. The slim end would have the Center Support Bearing.



Edited by Techhead on 04-29-10 06:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Gusaroo 
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04-30-10 12:06 PM - Post#1907563    
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...uh those pics dont look right to me either. The front shaft they are selling is only half of the front drive shaft assembly (which is two pieces). It is missing another short yoke piece.

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Gusaroo 
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04-30-10 12:08 PM - Post#1907566    
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wait...I think I have that backwards...the rear driveshaft is two pieces...now Im confused

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karrz 
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12-21-10 09:19 PM - Post#2021251    
    In response to raycow

I'm restoring a 58 Wagon and replacing my 3 speed manual with a 63 aluminum powerglide.Can I use my existing driveshaft and yoke?If not, I need to get a 59-64 front shaft? I see theres 1 inch difference with the numbers you have shown. Also why are the 58's different from the rest when it comes to the front shaft lenght? thanks



 
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06-05-12 08:10 PM - Post#2233896    
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Yeah, for sure, was watching the Doctors TV show this morning and they were talking about injections to make the shaft bigger!!! Ouch.

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07-10-14 11:30 PM - Post#2468195    
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  • karrz Said:
I'm restoring a 58 Wagon and replacing my 3 speed manual with a 63 aluminum powerglide.Can I use my existing driveshaft and yoke?If not, I need to get a 59-64 front shaft? I see theres 1 inch difference with the numbers you have shown. Also why are the 58's different from the rest when it comes to the front shaft lenght? thanks


Your 3 speed front shaft will be too long, but the 63 X-frame aluminum PG is the same length as a stock 58 cast iron PG, so a stock 58 PG front shaft will be the right length for it. 58 shafts are shorter than 59-64 because the 58 wheelbase is shorter than 59-64.

I realize that this answer is about 3-1/2 years late, but I figure other members may still find the info useful if they are working on a 58.

Ray

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07-11-14 03:36 PM - Post#2468348    
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I always cut and weld my own. I cut on the end without a weight and try to keep the weld even all the way around. never had a problem.

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03-05-18 03:47 PM - Post#2726547    
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Might be a dumb question, but would the length of the four speed shaft listed here be correct for an M21? I know they came out in '63, but not sure if hey are the same length as the earlier 4 speeds (T10?). I know the Muncie would be close to same as other 60s/70s T10, Saginaws, etc... I don't know much about late 50s/early 60s trans.



 
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03-21-18 09:19 PM - Post#2728473    
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The Muncie's (M20, M21, M22) 1963 through 1970, that were built to accommodate the
higher torque/HP of that era of big blocks, are the same length as the T-10's they replaced.
Those T-10's were made from 1957 to 1963 and were mostly not able to meet up to the high torque/HP needs
of some of the big block chevys of the '63 to '70 era... mostly.
Even some Special High Performance '59 through '62 engines were also too much for the T-10's.
Starting in 1971 and going through to 1974, the Muncie's were longer by 3/4".
The Super T-10's (second design for passenger cars) came out in 1974 and went through 1982 to
accommodate the lower torque/HP needs of that era of big blocks and they are the same length as the 1971-74 Muncie's.
The Muncie's production was discontinued after 1974.
The Saginaws were made mostly for the lower HP 4 cyl, 6 cyl and V8 small blocks... mostly.
That's the info I've dug up so far during my research leading up to getting a Muncie.
I'm putting a 1968 M20 in a 1959 Impala right now, and the lengths check out with the info at the top of this thread.
I purchased this front drive shaft for the conversion from a 3 speed:
Muncie and T-10 Drive Shaft



 


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