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Username Post: Fitzback 1953 Frame off        (Topic#181323)
Fitzback 
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05-08-08 06:40 AM - Post#1428668    
    In response to 57 Rusty Ragtop

thank you Rusty,

You're right, I think it as a new "beginning" in this restoration, because at first, I did not want to strip the inside of the car, and the inside of the fenders, because of the price and the capability of the painter, but the new one plan to drop the car into the "paint stip" container, for easier job after, and greater result, inside and out.

I accept that way to work with the "new" one. He have the facility to make it, so ... anyway my harm is in the "gearbox" I can't remove it! I have to go forward.

I keep smiling and working on the car, but the end will be later a bit.

have a nice day.

I'll call you for some "word" to say to the painter if I need it , you know my english is not as it should in that situation. Thanks!



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05-08-08 06:06 PM - Post#1429123    
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today I pick up the cover plate of the master cylinder, I will clean the other parts and assemble it next week. My friend's place should be clean enought next week to work on the frame, I hope so.



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05-09-08 07:45 PM - Post#1429906    
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I receive today some other parts, the wheel cylinder, hoses, and drums.

I install the cylinder and the hoses. The tie rod are now install too. The assembly look mostly done by now. Only the brake hardware, hub and the drum and that's it.

I found this morning a very rare car, it's less built then mine, another 53 canadian Pontiac, but a step higher, the Laurentian. Same 2 doors, with some different trim.

I never knew this car, look good. I wrote to the owner for other picture. For the outside, the body look fair and straight, I ask for the underneat, you know why......

I'm asking to myself what to do if the undercarriage is great (I assume that is not so great, we are in Qu├ębec, the country of snow and salt, and this year we receive enough snow the the 10 years to come).

For fun, if the car is in great shape, the owner asking 6800$, I can bargain it a bit. I need to restore the body shell of mine, and correct the frame, and if I can have a fresh frame and a fresh body shell to help mine... I don't want to restore that one, the project is mine, because it is mine for so long (13 years) and is automatic, the other one is manual. But I can use the major parts to restore mine, the negative part of that story is, the price I have to pay and the time I have to found to dissamble the Laurentian.

Don't know what to do, I've spend over the year a lot of money in this car for maintain it and make it clean and looking good. Now I have to face other expense because I have to "change" my "explosive" painter by a more "reliable" one, at a higher cost.

I'll wait the picture, and they tell all I need to know.

Now look at the picture of the nearly finished steer axle.







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05-09-08 10:43 PM - Post#1429966    
    In response to Fitzback

Perhaps I am not understanding your problem correctly. Could you install the Laurentian body on your restored chassis? This would give you a car to drive while you continue working on your original body. You could also decide whether or not you want to restore the Laurentian chassis.

Ray

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05-10-08 07:21 PM - Post#1430454    
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Your understanding is correct,

I'm not rushed to drive something, when I parked the car in sept.06 I was a bit tired. It was a good thing to work on and not drive it.

I have not a lot of room for a second "part" car. I have to think twice before making a move, and spend the money correctly. I know, for being in the hobby for long time, spending money wisely on those car is sometime difficult, and this time it is hard to think what I have to do.

If this Laurentian (it is a bolt in project, with my frame) worth the price, and the underneath is "perfect", all money and work made before is lost, but if the car is rusted like mine, it will be easier to look forward with my own car parts.

I'll call the owner, he do not send me anything since I leave him a email, and I will let you know.

Sincerly, I hope it is rusted.

Picture of the Laurentian



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05-13-08 03:46 AM - Post#1431907    
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I'm a bit frustrated, you know for the body, not only it has been dammage, but also it will be done later, and my friend who help me for the frame does not have room right now (it was suppose to this week) for working on it

Last night i made a stand for the steer axle, it is now too heavy for the engine support bracket (the one welded on the axle). I make a caddy like stand with 4 wheel, and it have 2 shaft welded upward for using the 2 hole under the steer axle crossmember.

A friend of mine will help me to install it on the stand and I will take a picture.

I prepare to take the body out for next week. The old frame will be ready for saturday morning, and I will going to put the body on and bolt it. After I'll call a towing and ship it to my friend shop to match it to the new frame. Keep you inform...

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05-13-08 03:38 PM - Post#1432230    
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Today, I talk to the owner of the Laurentian, he tell me that is Pontiac is the 8th marvel of the world! Like me you ear that before, but I must see it by my self.

If this car is SOOOOO good, like the owner said to me, I'm in front of a big decision to take.

I'll buy it, use is frame and body, take my steeraxle, diff, engine and transmission. The Lautentian is standard with a higher diff. ratio.

For you guys, it is more valuable automatic (powerglide) or 3 on the tree? (on a 53-54 model)

For me it is automatic with the original transmission.

And on the other hand, I have some money spent on the "new" frame, I would use it, but if the original one is perfect(I will see....) I prefer take it and stop correcting the other one.

For the body shell, my original one is not hard to beat (too rusty). It is repairable, but at higher cost.

I will see the car on friday evening, I will bring my camera and take picture.

Let you know (again...)

have a nice day.

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05-13-08 05:21 PM - Post#1432292    
    In response to Fitzback

Good luck, hope it turns about the way you want it to. Can't wait to see the pictures. Mike



 
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05-13-08 06:59 PM - Post#1432391    
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Thanks,

don't worry, I'll post picture as soon as I can. No later than saturday morning.

A friend of mine visit me tonight, and we put the steer axle on the caddy. Great! It's light to move on the floor and I let my engine stand free.

It will be usefull for another 49-54 project. I will take picture and post it tomorrow.

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05-14-08 12:22 PM - Post#1432833    
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this is the picture of the caddy I make 2 days ago. With some old iron and 2 hours only. Now I can put some other weight like the drum and brake hardware. It is defenitly not a good tool to assemble the steer axle. This way I can finish it without putting it on the floor.






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05-14-08 05:54 PM - Post#1433052    
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Hey Andre', It looks like you could use the caddy to hold doors and fenders. I use an Engine stand to rotate doors during skin replacements or bottom rust repairs. Keep up the good work!

Rusty

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05-14-08 07:11 PM - Post#1433114    
    In response to 57 Rusty Ragtop

It's a good idea, I never think about it when I made it. I had a (small) problem, about weight, that's why I made that tool, but you're right.

Thanks you!

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05-16-08 03:28 AM - Post#1434054    
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It's tonight that I'm going to see the Laurentian. Maybe another car to buy... let you know, and let you show. I'll take picture.

have a nice day.

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05-17-08 11:28 AM - Post#1435051    
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Yesterday like talked before, I went to see the Laurentian. My plan WAS to take this car to help restoring mine.

It's rusted like mine, but not look like a rusted car. The frame is patch with sheet metal and screw and tar over.

It is reparable, for sure, but the body must be remove and cleaned because it is so oily (it was spray with anti-rust oil), it will become a ball of fire if a torch or a welder is near.

I shacke and of the owner, 4 hours and 80$ of gas later, I was back home, with my happyness!

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05-17-08 11:39 AM - Post#1435055    
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So is the plan to put the Laurentian body on your restored chassis?

Ray

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05-17-08 02:59 PM - Post#1435122    
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Yes and no.

I was thinking if the Laurentian (it is a bolt in car on my frame) was so "good" I could take the frame AND body, restore those parts, with my tranny. I would take the Pathfinder (mine) body and the "new" frame I work on to make a fun trailer.

So at the end, the Laurentian would be on the road (because it is the top of the line) and my Pathfinder deLuxe, would not be restored as a car, but as a trailer.

But now I have to go forward with the initial project. I'm not sad about the Laurentian, I had to see it, it would be easier to take this body and frame instead to restore mine if they were very good.

The Laurentian episode is closed, but not the Pathfinder...

Today I finished the steer axle, the drum are to be painted and that's it. I need a frame to put over..........

picture of the Laurentian taken yesterday.





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05-19-08 04:13 PM - Post#1436632    
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tonight I worked on the master cylinder. Assemble it fill with brake oil, check for leak, remove air inside. Wednesday evening I should pick up the frame and ship it to the painter shop, put back the body on and call a towing to ship it at my friend shop, the one who work on the frame. Let you know, and show...





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05-22-08 06:16 PM - Post#1439082    
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Now the pressure is relief! the body is out of the "agressive painter". I took some picture and you can see some of the hit. It is not easy to show correctly the deep on clear paint.







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07-04-08 06:10 PM - Post#1470594    
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Hi everybody,

we put back the frame in my friend's shop today!!!!!!!

let you show the progress as soon as possible

Fitz.

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07-04-08 07:21 PM - Post#1470621    
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Fitz,
I have read all your posts, have looked at all your photos and, in spite of the painter, your project is moving well and the frame looks great ! Keep up the good work.

Bob

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07-05-08 04:14 AM - Post#1470765    
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you are right, the project run fine and thank you for the "pep talk"!

Fitz.

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07-08-08 02:37 PM - Post#1473139    
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  • chevyac Said:


Sincerly, I hope it is rusted.

Picture of the Laurentian




Glad to hear you didn't get 'caught'. Shows the danger of buying off pictures.

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07-10-08 03:35 AM - Post#1474326    
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I can't buy by picture only, I have to see and touch by myself, and on this case it worth the trip and the money spent on, to check the real value of this car.

Despite the good quality of the exterior, it was a real junk.



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07-10-08 03:57 AM - Post#1474337    
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back on real work now.

like I said earlier, we put back in the frame inside the shop. The left rail was nearly complete, but I saw some wrapping (It is maybe not the good word) on the bent parts, to avoid (and correct after the first one) the same thing on the second one I open the frame and I'll place a block inside that fit correctly the place before the heating process.



This way, it could not wrap by the inside, and if goes by the outside, I'll just to hit on it with a large head hammer.



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07-14-08 06:15 PM - Post#1477787    
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tonight I went to the shop and made the 2" thick block for filling the hole in the frame. This way it will make a better job to fold the frame correctly (I really hope so )

I make a form on cardboard of the frame with the jig, trace it on metal, cut the metal, place it on the "brand new" gas cutter, buff it clean and ready to go for the next step.







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07-14-08 08:36 PM - Post#1477914    
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I have never seen such loving care put into the restoration of a frame. Your attention to detail is amazing. You know, you will never be able to part with this car.

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07-15-08 02:40 AM - Post#1478009    
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Quote: "I make a form on cardboard of the frame with the jig, trace it on metal, cut the metal, place it on the "brand new" gas cutter, buff it clean and ready to go for the next step."

Do I see some old washing machine parts in that "Brand New" gas cutter?

Love your "Creative Fabrication" as always! Keep the photos coming!

Rusty


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07-15-08 03:56 AM - Post#1478024    
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  • raycow Said:
I have never seen such loving care put into the restoration of a frame. Your attention to detail is amazing. You know, you will never be able to part with this car.

Ray



you probably right! I'll die with (not in I hope!:rotfl: )


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07-15-08 03:19 PM - Post#1478391    
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  • chevyac Said:
tonight I went to the shop and made the 2" thick block for filling the hole in the frame. This way it will make a better job to fold the frame correctly (I really hope so )

I make a form on cardboard of the frame with the jig, trace it on metal, cut the metal, place it on the "brand new" gas cutter, buff it clean and ready to go for the next step.







Great stuff, this is going to be an amazing car. I'm still impressed at the 'jig' you knocked up to keep the frame in place. I'm not sure I'd find any iron like that in my scrap bin !


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07-22-08 06:01 PM - Post#1483486    
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doing some homework tonight, I place the big piece of steel (the one cut with the "Maytag" gas cutter ) in the frame and fold it. It is doing a better job like this then before. The wrapping part of the frame as almost gone, without hit it with a hammer. Working on it tomorrow, ...I hope!





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