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Username Post: 1958 Canadian Chevrolet and Chevy-based Pontiac Export Figures        (Topic#172448)
David Hayward 
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10-17-07 12:04 PM - Post#1276011    

I have at last found the data that I was sent years ago by GM of Canada, and which they may have "lost" by now:

MODEL
DEL RAY SERIES
1141 4 LHD
1149 8 LHD
1149 DOM (Diplomatic sales, a seperate model!) 1 RHD
1193 (4-door Yeoman Wagon) 2 LHD
1171 SEDAN DELIVERY 1 LHD

BISCAYNE SERIES
1541 1 LHD
1549 20 LHD 58 RHD
1549 DOM 4 RHD
1593 (4-door Brookwood wagon) 2 LHD 5 RHD

1649 2 LHD
1693 (4-door Brookwood wagon) 2 LHD

BEL AIR SERIES
1739 16 LHD
1747 (Impala Sport Coupe) 2 LHD
1749 30 LHD 235 RHD
1749 DOM 1 RHD
1767 (Impala Convertible) 1 LHD
1793 (Nomad Wagon) 2 LHD


1839 8 LHD
1847 4 LHD
1849 6 LHD 35 RHD
1867 7 LHD

ALL 6-CYLINDER: 89 LHD; 304 RHD
ALL V-8: 29 LHD; 35 RHD

CKD (all RHD) for assembly
1549X4 (Biscayne 4door Sedan) for AUSTRALIA 1,152
1693X9 (V-8 Brookwood Wagon) for SOUTH AFRICA 504
1849X5 (V-8 Bel Air 4-door Sedan) for NEW ZEALAND 384

TOTAL 2,040

ALL LHD CHEVROLET 118
ALL RHD CHEVROLET 2,379


To these must be added Tarrytown, NY LHD and RHD exports.


Note that the Sedan Delivery was included in the Del Ray series and in the next posting the equivalent Pontiac Safari SD was in the Pathfinder series.


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Edited by David Hayward on 10-17-07 01:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 


David Hayward 
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10-17-07 12:22 PM - Post#1276024    
    In response to David Hayward

Canadian Pontiac figures (Astro-Six 261 cu in 6-cylinder but not V-8 283 cu in). These used the Chevrolet bodyshell and running gear modified.

MODEL
PATHFINDER SERIES
7141 19 LHD
7149 218 LHD
7191 (6-cylinder 2-door Safari wagon)22 LHD
7193 (6-cylinder 4-door Safari wagon)42 LHD
7171 (6-cylinder Safari Sedan Delivery) 24 LHD!!!


STRATOCHIEF SERIES
7541 17 LHD
7549 576 LHD 66 RHD
7593 (4-door Safari Wagon) 71 LHD 4 RHD

LAURENTIAN SERIES
7731 51 LHD
7739 208 LHD
7741 6 LHD
7747 (Parisienne 2-door Coupe) 18 LHD
7749 481 LHD 107 RHD
7749 DOM (Diplomatic sales) 2 RHD
7767 (Parisienne Convertible) 46 LHD
7793 (Laurentian Safari Wagon) 12 LHD

TOTAL 822 LHD; 109 RHD (all 6-cylinders)


CKD for assembly
7549X4 (Strato-Chief 4-door Sedan) for AUSTRALIA 192 RHD
7549 (Strato-Chief 4-door Sedan) for DENMARK?; BELGIUM? 768 LHD; for SOUTH AFRICA, and ?? 1,680 RHD
7739 (Laurentian 4-door HT) for DENMARK?;BELGIUM? etc. 624 LHD
TOTAL CKD 1,392 LHD; 1,872 RHD

TOTAL 3,203 LHD; 2,047 RHD

For model i.d. just substitute "1 prefix [for Chevrolet] for "7" [for Pontiac] to get the equivalents.

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David Hayward 
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10-17-07 12:33 PM - Post#1276032    
    In response to David Hayward

The LHD cars/CKD used either the '58 Imperial (mph) speedo or the Metric one (kmh).
The RHD cars/CKD used for the one year only the lhd dash transposed in Chevy and Pontiac, mph or kmh.
The RHD Pontiac dash differed slightly from the Chevy one, with "Pontiac" glovebox script and also it is thought, different turn signal indicator lights...but don't take that as certain.

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Verne_Frantz 
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10-17-07 01:37 PM - Post#1276082    
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Those are all excellent figures David. I commend you for your hard work!

Verne



 
CO58Impala 
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10-18-07 09:09 AM - Post#1276662    
    In response to David Hayward

I think it's great that you managed to get those figures. Nice work! It's fascinating stuff.


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David Hayward 
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10-18-07 01:25 PM - Post#1276857    
    In response to CO58Impala

Thanks guys! I had the info, but lost it (and the info!). I hope and pray that Vintage Historical Services has the same info now, but I regret to say that so much info, pre-1961, which we know existed [as it was sent out as Xeroxes sheets, say] is now no longer available. I have heard rumours as to why but would not dream of repeating in public.

The same source that sent me theLHD/RHD availability listed on my site also sent details of model numbers from GM of C Engineering. They have dates on them showing model changes, and hint also that there was to have been a Ranchero equivalent in 1958 though in South Africa they did go ahead and welded-in a steel box tray in the trunk of the Utility Sedan to create a "Bakkie" or Utility..the last one on Chevy bodies.

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David Hayward 
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10-29-07 02:04 PM - Post#1284364    
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1. SOUTH AFRICAN cars
a) DEL RAY
STYLE 58-1149
# SAK 30128..SA = PLANT CODE; K = 1958 MY; 30128 = Engine # adopted a s VIN

ENGINE # F401AHK30128 [Flint, so Tarrytown CKD)

b) BROOKWOOD WAGON
STYLE 58-1693X9 (so Oshawa CKD)
# SAK14268V = V for V-8!


2. OSHAWA EXPORT (To SINGAPORE)
# 8174921248
ENGINE # R304483

STYLE 1749 EXP RD
BODY 121716
PAINT 1614
TRIM 860
BSO 357

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Edited by David Hayward on 10-29-07 02:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-28-08 04:24 AM - Post#1376491    
    In response to David Hayward

From all the information I have gathered, Australian CKD 58 Biscayne's were all 6 cylinder sedans. According to our registration/licencing authorities, Australia never saw a V8 58 full body Chev sold new through a Holden/GM dealer. I believe they were the lowest volume Chevrolet sold by year for the 50's and most likely the 60's also. Not sure what the source plant was either (didn't do that much home work!)
Not sure but its the only information I have. I have a CKD Australian 65 BelAir and a Kansas Plant 283 V8 Biscayne from Texas.
Dave

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07-25-08 09:49 AM - Post#1485294    
    In response to David Hayward

First off, if i may temporarily steer the topic slightly off it's original premise but still relating to the original premise:

1)Why was/is there a "gm of canada" in the first place? Why is this nessesary, if at all?

2)Why did the "Canadian Pontiacs" have chevy running gear (also, i believe Canadian B's and O's also had chevy running gear) while the U.S. pontiacs had, in general, pontiac running gear? This does not seem to be in the interest of best economics/maximum profibility.......Or does it?



 
David Hayward 
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12-14-08 11:57 AM - Post#1584701    
    In response to World Domination

1958-65 model availability for GM of Canada cars:

http://gmhistory.chevytalk.org/58to65chevinfo.jpg

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03-17-12 04:34 PM - Post#2203902    
    In response to David Hayward

Hello David, thank you very much for compiling and sharing these figures. I am sorry to ask for you may have answered this before: would you have by any chance figures for 1959?
my understanding is that 1958-1960 the Australian government imposed more stringent import rules thus greatly reducing the number of imports. cheers. alex



 
David Hayward 
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03-18-12 11:43 PM - Post#2204480    
    In response to alexm900

Regrettably not though you should find the figurtes in Norm Darwin's book on GM in Australia.

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deweey 
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02-01-14 03:03 PM - Post#2422553    
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web site doesn't come up.



 
Keith_Knox 
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02-01-14 09:00 PM - Post#2422680    
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David Hayward passed in early 2012.
And I don't know what site he was refering to.

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VintageCarryall 
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06-30-14 06:24 PM - Post#2465716    
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  • Keith_Knox Said:
David Hayward passed in early 2012.
And I don't know what site he was refering to.



Any chance that one of our Aussie or even South African members could be asked to fill Mr Hayward's shoes?

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07-03-14 04:28 PM - Post#2466457    
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Some of those RHD cars were also imported into the UK when new. I had a 58 Belair four door sedan with a 283 and three on the tree, the car still survives but has suffered from the British climate. My first American car back in 1976 was a pretty rusty 59 Impala Sport Sedan with a 235 & PG. There were a number of RHD Chevs & Pontiacs sold here but most have rotted away over the years and survivors are very rare.



Edited by 59ImpalaUK on 07-03-14 04:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
VintageCarryall 
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07-27-14 08:55 PM - Post#2472358    
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  • 59ImpalaUK Said:
Some of those RHD cars were also imported into the UK when new. I had a 58 Belair four door sedan with a 283 and three on the tree, the car still survives but has suffered from the British climate. My first American car back in 1976 was a pretty rusty 59 Impala Sport Sedan with a 235 & PG. There were a number of RHD Chevs & Pontiacs sold here but most have rotted away over the years and survivors are very rare.



That's odd since the climate in your nation is similar to Seattle here in the USA yet rust isn't a huge problem with vintage tin in that area.

Unless it's due to the salt air blowing across the UK whereas Seattle is situated on Puget Sound which is fresh water.

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09-08-19 03:32 AM - Post#2775031    
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I once had a 66 Pontiac Parisienne 4dr HT. Made in Canada for the export market, although mine was LHD (not RHD where I live). I only just found out that the Canadian "widetracks" weren't actual widetracks as they shared the Chev chassis and not the US Pontiac chassis. All these years I had thought I was driving the widest thing on the road!



 
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09-08-19 03:38 AM - Post#2775032    
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NZ also had strict import rules as well as an "overseas funds" policy to be able to buy a new car. New cars had a ticket price but only some people could buy them (if they had the overseas funds) but used cars often sold for more than the ticket price of a new car as anyone could buy them. This weird policy existed I believe, into the early seventies. Most Chevs and Pontiacs herre in NZ were used as taxis and wedding cars and the wagons converted to hearses. As Kiwis were brought up on a diet of small grey English cars having a wedding car that was only a Belair (and not an Impala) didn't matter - it was big, flash, and American.



 
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09-08-19 11:38 AM - Post#2775048    
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For your information.
David Hayward passed in early 2012.

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