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Username Post: Vintage Chevy Club of America, horrible waste of money        (Topic#356452)
Keroppi 
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Loc: NorCal
Reg: 10-24-18
05-16-19 10:12 PM - Post#2766585    

I never would have thought in a million years that joining a vintage car club would turn into such a lousy experience.

I am not exactly sure why, but the webmaster for the Vintage Chevy Club of America didn't like the posts I made and took it upon himself to censor and ban me from the VCCA Chat web site. The spineless person's name is (name removed), an associate webmaster that is pretty green around the ears...

The club turned out to be like a group of Grandmothers sitting around at a knitting club.

I will never pay another cent to the VCCA as long as I live.

If you're thinking about joining the VCCA, save your money and spend it on parts or another online forum, you will find that you get a lot more for your money that you will with VCCA.

And if you do join the VCCA, remember the VCCA mantra... "knit one, perl two..."



 




pauldian 
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pauldian
Loc: seligman,arizona
Reg: 05-14-09
05-20-19 08:59 PM - Post#2766832    
    In response to Keroppi

( WOW )



 
2blu52 
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2blu52
Age: 86
Loc: Montana
Reg: 03-12-02
05-26-19 10:33 AM - Post#2767115    
    In response to Keroppi

My experience after 16 years has been just the opposite. Yep they are old or at least very set in their ways, prefer you talk about stock rather than rodding, and much like this group prefer not to hear 4 letter words. They have knowledge that is unique due to age, interest and experience and over all I found them to be just as helpful and intersted as the CT group. An experience was over hub caps, my mechanic (me) did not have one set properly and lost it. I asked for some help in getting a hub cap that would match my remaining ones with 90,000 miles behind them, well I got two and for FREE! Cup is half full or half empty depends on where you are.

"PEACE IS THAT GLORIUS MOMENT IN HISTORY WHEN EVERY ONE STANDS AROUND RELOADING"

THOMAS JEFFERSON


 
Ray P W 
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Posts: 429

Reg: 09-30-15
05-29-19 08:44 PM - Post#2767303    
    In response to 2blu52

Like the Stovebolt forum, the VCCA chat forum is dominated by a single individual who claims expertise in every issue that comes up. We all know that there is no way one person can know everything and on the few things I've researched in depth over the decades I've noticed that the "information" he gives out is often wrong.

He does serve a purpose, however, just like the guy on the Stovebolt forum. Some people don't want to do the work to research a subject of interest and find it easier to simply accept whatever an "Expert" says.

I've met the original poster, Alan, and like me he has a home machine shop and knows how to use it. That is in stark contrast to what I experienced in a 40+ year VCCA membership. With rare exceptions they farm out anything more challenging than sanding off rust and washing their vehicles.

People on the Chevytalk forum seem like grease under the nails motorheads.

To each his own, huh?

Ray W



Edited by Ray P W on 05-29-19 08:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
MTAZ 
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MTAZ
Reg: 06-05-14
06-26-19 09:57 AM - Post#2769299    
    In response to Ray P W

I fully agree with the original post.

Have been a member of the VCCA for over 25 years & was one of the founding members when they started their website " VCCA chatter " in 2002.

Over the years the VCCA has made nothing but disastrous decisions on where they want the mission of the club to go.

The VCCA used to stand for the restoration & preservation of Original Chevy vehicles as they were made when they came off the assembly line.

The mission then changed to allow Non-Chevy vehicles into the club along with allowing hot rods & modified vehicles.

The club & website are no longer dedicated to the preservation & restoration of original Chevy vehicles.

The moderators, administrators & cronies of their website have deleted & banned themselves into obscurity.

If it was not for Gene answering all the technical questions on their website, it would be useless to most everyone, except for the small group of crony characters that like to banter with each other on the site about everything except classic vehicles.

All of the old Chevy truck guys that have the best technical knowledge have fled the VCCA chat for the greener pastures of the Stovebolt Page.

The VCCA has deteriorated & become obsolete & useless to me.
The ONLY reason I renew my subscription is to have access to the free parts ads in their monthly magazine which generates some income selling parts & it is tax deductible {and over the years...the quality of their magazine has gone into the crapper also}.

On top of all this they keep raising the annual dues while cutting services & eroding the quality of everything they do.

It says a lot when a long time member of a club will no longer recommend the club to anyone.





 
Ray P W 
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Posts: 429

Reg: 09-30-15
06-28-19 07:34 AM - Post#2769426    
    In response to MTAZ

"Have been a member of the VCCA for over 25 years & was one of the founding members when they started their website " VCCA chatter " in 2002."

MTAZ,

I was a member for over 40 years when I quit VCCA in 2009.

"If it was not for Gene answering all the technical questions on their website, it would be useless to most everyone, except for the small group of crony characters that like to banter with each other on the site about everything except classic vehicles."

To me that individual is part of the VCCA problem. He speaks with great authority and because of that gullible people think he knows everything. In reality, the body of knowledge in any field, even antique Chevrolets, is so large that no one person can know everything. What he has is a lot of parts books in which he can look up part numbers. That is like a telephone information operator looking up phone numbers. The real value that any "Expert" has on any forum is helping people figure out how to do challenging projects. That requires creative, outside the box thinking, not huge lists of part numbers and casting numbers.

An example of refusing to help with a member's project came up in early 2009 and was one of the "last straws" that ended my VCCA membership. A member wrote in to "Ask The Expert" in G & D asking how to set up an AC system with R134 refrigerant. That's a simple task easily accomplished with parts store products. I've done it myself, no sweat. "The Expert" told the person who inquired to take the vehicle to an AC shop. People don't join car/truck organizations to be told they can't do stuff. They know it can be done and they're inquiring how to do it.

My other VCCA "last straw" was also in 2009. VCCA was hemorrhaging members and put a member survey in the G & D to figure out why so many were quitting. I took the time to complete the survey and snail mail it in. After that the VCCA management refused to share the survey results with the general membership.

That was it for me. They got no more of my money.

The Stovebolt forum is similarly burdened with being dominated by a single individual who is credited with knowing everything and no presentation of information that contradicts their resident know-it-all is tolerated.

These forums work best when people feel free to ask questions without being ridiculed and when conflicting information can be presented and sorted out to find the truth. Chevytalk seems to be a very well functioning forum because a number of really knowledgeable people contribute and there are no "sacred cows".

An example of that occurred on Chevytalk recently in a discussion of DOT 5 brake fluid. There I learned that contrary to what I learned in high school and college physics, liquids actually ARE compressible to a very slight degree and that can affect brake systems. That's just one example of how an effective forum like this one spreads knowledge by encouraging wide participation and acknowledging that there is no single "Expert", no matter what the subject is.

Ray W



Edited by Ray P W on 06-28-19 07:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
MTAZ 
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Posts: 26
MTAZ
Reg: 06-05-14
07-04-19 08:56 AM - Post#2769920    
    In response to Ray P W

  • Ray P W Said:


"If it was not for Gene answering all the technical questions on their website, it would be useless to most everyone, except for the small group of crony characters that like to banter with each other on the site about everything except classic vehicles."

To me that individual is part of the VCCA problem. He speaks with great authority and because of that gullible people think he knows everything. In reality, the body of knowledge in any field, even antique Chevrolets, is so large that no one person can know everything. What he has is a lot of parts books in which he can look up part numbers. That is like a telephone information operator looking up phone numbers. The real value that any "Expert" has on any forum is helping people figure out how to do challenging projects. That requires creative, outside the box thinking, not huge lists of part numbers and casting numbers.



Ray W



I agree Ray.

Although somewhat knowledgeable about cars....
He provided incorrect technical information on a regular basis in the truck section of the site.

He became quite indignant every time anyone dared to correct him and he would get frustrated if you provided pictures & copies of GM literature that proved him to be wrong.
His usual response was to downplay his mistake & always had to have the last word {even if he was wrong}.
It became quite easy to run circles around him when he was wrong but, it was easier to make just one single post correcting him, rather than arguing back & forth with him for days.

The sad part is...people go to their site for technical information & the "big shot" of the site that hands out the most information is frequently incorrect with his answers, and everyone accepts his incorrect answers as gospel.






 
Ray P W 
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Posts: 429

Reg: 09-30-15
07-14-19 07:52 AM - Post#2770663    
    In response to MTAZ

Here from a Chevytalk forum member is a description of what happened when he tried to submit a technical article to VCCA:

02-10-09 03:57 PM - Post#1627136

"I have written a complete and detailed article on the rebuild of a 29-32 electrlock switch assy if anyone is interested. Tried to submit it to the G.D but was told it was too wordy. I describe the breakdown in childlike terms and details so it can be understood and is the way I would prefer to see it"

Nice, huh? People who just write checks to have work done aren't interested in actual information about how to do things.

His information is now on Chevytalk.

Ray W



 




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