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Username Post: Another Trim tag post        (Topic#365419)
rickey1964 
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06-03-21 01:48 PM - Post#2821082    

A '63 Impala has F, 2L and 3Z on the ACC list of a Impala I am going to buy in the coming days.

I have F for tinted windshield and 3Z for Super Sport. But I can't find 2L. Can someone answer this for me? I am thinking it might mean 4 speed or Muncie 4 speed but I am not sure.



 


Carl1962 
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06-03-21 02:02 PM - Post#2821084    
    In response to rickey1964

Group 2 code L is for 4-speed transmission, but your bigger issue is if the tag is real, some tags for 4-speed SS are reproduction tags to make the car worth more, post a photo of it.

Cheers, Carl.

1962 Anniversary Gold SS Impala Sports Coupe
Maintainer of 1962 Anniversary Gold Impala Register


 
rickey1964 
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06-03-21 02:36 PM - Post#2821087    
    In response to Carl1962

I have to get registered to post pics. I will work on doing that.

Thank you for replying.....it is good news. The car is a rough jewel but to my eye is 100 percent complete. A 327 4 Speed car that has been sitting for years. I will certainly be posting pics of it after I complete the purchase and get it home in about two weeks.





 
rrausch 
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06-03-21 03:21 PM - Post#2821089    
    In response to rickey1964

The longer the '63 has been sitting, the more likely it is a real one. The ones you have to worry about are the shiny, new-looking 327 or 409, 4-speed, S.S., with brand new upholstery and a fresh cowl tag. Ditto on posting a picture.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
rickey1964 
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06-03-21 03:38 PM - Post#2821091    
    In response to rrausch

Good to hear from you. I have been off of this board since trading my '63 away about 3 years ago. But with the Good Lord's blessing this one will have me back on here soon enough.

The trim tag looks anything but new and shiny.

I found this car while searching for replacement parts (bumpers/chrome housings) for my '58 Chevrolet. I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this car.....an original Red/Red SS 327 4 speed and complete down to the SS hubcaps and floor mats (laying in the drivers seat). I have a deal in place to buy the car and only waiting for my 401k loan to go through next week and finalize it.





 
Carl1962 
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06-03-21 04:35 PM - Post#2821093    
    In response to rickey1964

It's good to hear that the cowl tag "looks anything but new and shiny" email the cowl tag photo to me csnelling@bigpond.com.au

Cheers, Carl.

1962 Anniversary Gold SS Impala Sports Coupe
Maintainer of 1962 Anniversary Gold Impala Register


 
rickey1964 
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06-03-21 04:53 PM - Post#2821095    
    In response to Carl1962

Carl, I just sent it to you. Thank you for your interest.

Rickey



 
rrausch 
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06-03-21 05:49 PM - Post#2821098    
    In response to rickey1964

Rickey I am so glad to hear you are gonna get this car.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
Carl1962 
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06-03-21 06:02 PM - Post#2821100    
    In response to rickey1964

Here's a coupe of photos that Rickey sent to me. She's a legit 4-speed SS and because it has double hump heads and a tach (not sure why tach housing is black?) it might be an original 300hp 327 as well. Need to check the engine stamp pad for partial VIN and RB suffix code of the car

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Cheers, Carl.

1962 Anniversary Gold SS Impala Sports Coupe
Maintainer of 1962 Anniversary Gold Impala Register


Edited by Carl1962 on 06-03-21 06:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
turbo38s10 
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06-04-21 02:14 AM - Post#2821106    
    In response to Carl1962

Could be the tach was replaced at some point.



 
rrausch 
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06-04-21 05:33 AM - Post#2821112    
    In response to turbo38s10

What an absolute JEWEL of a find. Congrats Rickey!!!

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
japete92 
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06-04-21 06:09 AM - Post#2821113    
    In response to rickey1964

As previously stated, the engine may be ID'd from the suffix stamped on the 'pad' in front of the block below the valve cover ('RK' for the 300 hp, 4speed?).

It's hard to gauge from the photo, but it looks like the exhaust manifolds are the 2" ram horns. Those would be for the 250 hp 327; the 2 1/2" manifolds were used with the 300 hp.

Here's a link to some info you may find helpful:

https://www.gmheritagecenter.com/docs/gm-heritage-...

Strongly recommend acquiring the 1963 Shop Manual,Supplement; the 1961 Shop Manual (the manual that is 'supplemented'), and the 1963 Assembly Manual.

Pete



 
rickey1964 
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06-04-21 10:30 AM - Post#2821126    
    In response to rrausch

I got very lucky. But sometimes luck is what you need. I had no idea this was located here. But once I saw it I knew I wanted to buy it. I made a deal for his asking price. I should be able to complete the deal next weekend. I explained I needed to borrow from my 401k and I needed a few days for everything to go through. He said he would wait on me. I'm so happy and anxious to get back and load it up that I can barely think of anything else.



 
rickey1964 
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06-04-21 10:31 AM - Post#2821127    
    In response to japete92

Thanks....much appreciated!



 
dgstarr 
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06-04-21 08:14 PM - Post#2821148    
    In response to rickey1964

The correct engine number suffix for a 300 hp, 4 speed is RB. The vin number should be stamped on the pad next to the engine number on all 300 hp and 409 cars. The cowel tag indicates that the car was built in July. The Muncie 4 speed begin replacing the Warner T-10 in February 1963, so it would most likely be a Muncie. The original Carter AFB carb, fuel line and glass bowel fuel filter are missing, and most likely the intake manifold. The current carb is a Quadrajet, which was first introduced on some 1965 engines. The tach housing would have been red to match the dash color. The master cylinder is a 1964-1966 model. I hope this information is useful to you.

Dave




 
wagonman100 
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06-05-21 06:09 AM - Post#2821163    
    In response to dgstarr

I see a Hudson pickup in the background. They are pretty rare. I can’t quite i.d. the car on the far right. Looks familiar though. Nice find on the SS. Best of luck with it.

Jay
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1983 Malibu Fauxmad - tubbed
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1957 Nomad sport wagon
1957 Cameo Carrier


 
rrausch 
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06-05-21 06:25 AM - Post#2821165    
    In response to wagonman100

Nice catch Wagonman.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
55Brodie 
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06-05-21 08:11 AM - Post#2821167    
    In response to wagonman100

https://images.app.goo.gl/AkZDJ85LSBubkD129



 
rickey1964 
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06-05-21 11:21 AM - Post#2821170    
    In response to dgstarr

It is. Thanks. I will try to get the original parts for the car.



 
rickey1964 
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06-05-21 11:26 AM - Post#2821171    
    In response to wagonman100

He has at least two Hudson pickups....one is in great shape. He showed me how the factory converted Hudson autos into pickups by slicing off the rear seat/trunk section and installed beds. Super, super nice guy.



 
Mercedes 
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06-06-21 12:42 PM - Post#2821226    
    In response to rickey1964

What will be the cost of the restoration versus the value of the vehicle at completion?



 
rickey1964 
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06-06-21 01:07 PM - Post#2821230    
    In response to Mercedes

I have no idea. What it costs usually comes down to labor and if you and your family are doing the labor then that is a cost effective measure. As for a return I think these cars usually are worth as much as some guy down the road wants to pay for it.



 
327 
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06-06-21 02:58 PM - Post#2821238    
    In response to Mercedes

NOT YOUR CONCERN.



 
327 
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06-06-21 03:29 PM - Post#2821239    
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rickey1964 
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06-06-21 03:53 PM - Post#2821240    
    In response to 327

Thank you.



 
327 
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06-06-21 04:09 PM - Post#2821242    
    In response to rickey1964

NO PROBLEMO.



 
docjns1 
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06-08-21 02:07 PM - Post#2821358    
    In response to dgstarr

Good catch on the Q-Jet Dave, looking at those pics it was the 1st thng I picked up on!

Should be a great resto project for him

Steve
*********
'65 Impala SS, Crocus Yellow/blk
327 / 300 L74
M11 3 on the tree
12 bolt 3.31 open dif


 
rickey1964 
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07-08-21 07:46 AM - Post#2822856    
    In response to dgstarr

I got the car purchased and trailered home on Tuesday. Engine is indeed a RB code 327. Listing shows it is a high performance w/ manual transmission engine. As noted the intake and carb are not the original parts. It also has 461 heads.

I had to get back to work on Wednesday but my brother who went with me to pick it up and haul it back was able to fool with it some. He collected the numbers on the engine and heads before going about bringing the engine back to life.....only after taking the necessary steps to safely start a motor that hasn't ran in many years. Yes it runs!

Brother was also able to drive it down the long driveway and shift through all the gears. Everything including the steering worked smoothly.

Furthermore the gas gauge still works as well as one of the headlights and three of the taillights. The trunk light also works.




 
64ss409 
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07-08-21 08:02 AM - Post#2822859    
    In response to turbo38s10

  • turbo38s10 Said:
Could be the tach was replaced at some point.


The tach looks to be red lined at 6K. The 327 would have been red lined at 5K.
Ron




1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63 from Ken Boggs Chevrolet, Geraldine, Montana
1962 SS convertible, 327/250 4 spd
1956 IH pickup, 327


 
62sedan 
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07-08-21 08:59 AM - Post#2822863    
    In response to 64ss409

Rickey - - so nice to hear that all is going well on your latest project. It looks like a very nice vehicle.

Chuck






 


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