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Username Post: 1957 235 in a boat- startup        (Topic#358925)
DonSSDD 
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11-24-19 10:54 AM - Post#2780872    

I have a friend who's restored a wooden boat, a 32 foot Tancook Island open boat with a center console. It has a 57 Chev 235 in it with a stock points distributor, stock starter. He had it rebuilt and started and run in (at a shop on a stand), now wants to start it again. I want some advice on the minimal wiring needed to just get it to fire.

I am a V8 guy and use Pertronics, not points.

My guesses:
1. Wire the + on the battery to the big post on the starter, the - to a solid ground on the block.
2. Run a wire from the + battery post to the + side of the coil.
3. Run a wire from the distributor to the - side of the coil.
4. Run a wire from the R terminal on the starter to the + side of the coil.
5. If i use a push button starter, connect it to the S and R starter terminals? Push the button, it should roll over and start.

Anything wrong with this?

It has a self contained cooling system with anti freeze that circulates with a water pump. Then it has a second system that is raw water cooled with a heat exchanger, it is run with a water pump connected to the harmonic balancer.

Its a pretty neat boat.

I have some engine pics.



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11-24-19 10:55 AM - Post#2780873    
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11-24-19 10:58 AM - Post#2780875    
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11-24-19 11:12 AM - Post#2780876    
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1. Wire the + on the battery to the big post on the starter, the - to a solid ground on the block.
2. Run a wire from the + battery post to the + side of the coil.
3. Run a wire from the distributor to the - side of the coil.
4. Run a wire from the R terminal on the starter to the + side of the coil.
5. If i use a push button starter, connect it to the S and R starter terminals? Push the button, it should roll over and start.




All good except you'll have no way to shut it off.
For minimum wires to start it for a short time, you don't need a wire to the R terminal. You don't have a ballast resistor to bypass.

For permanent wiring,
1. OK
2. Run a wire from battery + to a switch, to a ballast resistor, to the + coil.
3. OK
4. OK
5. Run a wire from + battery to a push button, to the S terminal of the starter. Don't need to connect it to R.


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DonSSDD 
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11-24-19 11:15 AM - Post#2780877    
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So the ballast resister is needed in all cases with points? Same one as a 283 I assume?

Thanks,
Don

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11-24-19 11:20 AM - Post#2780879    
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And disconnect the points or + wire to the coil to shut it off?

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11-24-19 12:25 PM - Post#2780881    
    In response to DonSSDD

Yes for the shut down, for a short start and check out, 12v is ok, then if an external resistor is required with that coil, than install one.



 
DonSSDD 
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11-25-19 08:47 AM - Post#2780918    
    In response to Shepherd

Do you need zddp additive in the 235 for the hydraulic cam?

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Shepherd 
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11-25-19 02:32 PM - Post#2780938    
    In response to DonSSDD

Probably not necessary with a stock broken in cam, but can't go wrong with a little insurance.



 
DonSSDD 
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11-25-19 02:47 PM - Post#2780939    
    In response to Shepherd

It ran fine, just a small fuel leak from that big inlet nut. Thanks for the advice.

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