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drew1987
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02-28-19 07:31 PM - Post#2761018    

Hello everyone,

The two door sedans had back windows that went down, right? Did they tilt back and sort of "rotate" down like in a 2 door hard top? Also, what became of the water that would naturally go down into the quarter panel, same way it would on a door? of course doors have weep holes in the bottom....


Next, are rear windows and thier regulators somewhat available? lastly, anyone know a source for doors for our cars? starting to look into a project
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02-28-19 07:57 PM - Post#2761022    

They go straight down but only open half way, they have a troff with a tube that runs to the outside of the bottom of the car.
Roger
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02-28-19 09:31 PM - Post#2761029    

Roger has it right. Just to reinforce, and although a Fleetline, here is the diagram from the 1949 A Series Bodies book. Note drain tube.

Attachment: 2_Door_Rear_Window.jpeg (763.29 KB) 24 Views

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03-01-19 05:51 AM - Post#2761041    

This is extremely helpful thank you guys. If anyone has pictures of the troth, please post!

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03-01-19 06:17 AM - Post#2761044    

Something else that will help would be the length of a 2 door door, right under the stainless belt and at the very bottom

I appreciate this. I dont think I've even seen one of these in person. I have seen a 1953 and 1954. I think once I saw a Concourse 1950 Bel Air (nice car, very rude dude) but it was years ago and, again, bel air not 2dr sd
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03-01-19 06:19 AM - Post#2761045    

Also a real close up shot of the whole rear window section, like the rain gutter and where it ends, etc.

many thanks
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03-01-19 07:50 AM - Post#2761049    

Not sure if this is close enough for what you want / need, but this is about the extent to which the rear window rolls down on the 2 door sedan.

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03-01-19 01:03 PM - Post#2761064    

42" at the belt and 46" at the bottom.
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03-15-19 07:45 PM - Post#2762182    

This helps a lot. Been toying with the idea of becoming a2 door. I can. And it will be undetectable, just not sure if I want to
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03-15-19 07:47 PM - Post#2762183    

Let me elaborate: undetectable to 95%. I’m sure a purest would know but I build cars for me, not the “people”
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03-16-19 05:50 AM - Post#2762208    

I converted mine to a 2 door. It's not extremely difficult, the way I did mine was but I did stock hinge suicide doors while I was at it. If I had to do it again I would have started with a set of 2 door doors instead of stretching mine.
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03-17-19 03:26 PM - Post#2762312    

Thought I'd post what the rear window of a 2 Door Fleetline looks like when it is fully rolled down and also the drain tube for the rear window exiting through the inner rocker panel.

Attachment: Rear_Window_Totally_Open_2_Door_Fleetline.jpg (3.23 MB) 5 Views
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03-17-19 08:51 PM - Post#2762336    

I find the rear windows on 2-doors to be weird that they don't roll down all the way. I would have thought that Chevrolet would have used the same regulator mechanism as on the 4-doors which would allow the window to roll down all the way. Is there a piece of information I'm missing?

I think its because the 2-door glass is longer than a 4-door so if it retracted all the way down it would intersect the wheel well? But then they could have installed vent windows there like the 4-door which would make the glass shorter and not intersect the wheel well. I know that the doors on a 2-door are longer than a 4-door which would reduce the room for the window mechanism even further.
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03-18-19 12:01 PM - Post#2762386    

This is all very helpful! I might do this. Always liked the four door cause of ease of putting passengers and things back there but with kids now, it seems i only drive it alone anyway
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03-19-19 11:45 AM - Post#2762488    

Probably don't roll all the way down because of the water drainage system. ????
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03-19-19 06:17 PM - Post#2762502    

I believe the wheel house is the culprit as Kyle G surmised. I happened to have the rear seat out of my 51 Fleetline. I assume the 2 Door Sedan is very similar. If you draw a straight line down from the rear most part of the glass, you can see clearly that the window can not go down very far before it intersects with the wheel house. Also, it really has nowhere to go even if it rotates.

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03-19-19 06:28 PM - Post#2762504    

I grew up with 90s cars, other than bmw and Mercedes, rear windows simply didn’t go down. So anything is gravy.

I’m not 100% on this but I think I want to do it. There are obstacles... aside from the doors and the rear window mechanisms (I can probably make or adapt) there is the bench seat not being split. Not sure if the rear seats are the same.

Maybe a modern front bench with old school upholstery? Headrests do go but they do save lives
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04-07-19 06:59 PM - Post#2763793    

.... this is getting more likely. My wife has been driving the car a lot. We both agree there’s no need for easy back seat access and both like the look of 2 doors better. Any advice on where to get doors and trim.
?
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04-07-19 07:57 PM - Post#2763798    

Not sure what parts and trim , etc are going to be needed, but doors may be avail from someone here parting out a car or one of several used parts yard such as owenssalvage.com they are located in Texas so shipping may be costly
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04-08-19 06:05 AM - Post#2763808    

That’s a great place to start thanks. The trim.... wonder if I can weld it (need different gas if course) and smooth/polish? If I’m buying it instead might as well get Pontiac
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04-08-19 06:51 AM - Post#2763810    

Might try getting front door trim from same place, both the belt line and upper door trim, as well as remaining. I would have to study body more to see other differences. Welding is possible as you say , so modification can be done. On several hot rod shows they make trim from aluminum or copper then chrome .
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04-09-19 05:19 AM - Post#2763871    

If you can find a two door body with all the parts you need to convert, why not just buy the whole body instead of paying a salvage yard to cut it up for parts?
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04-09-19 06:12 AM - Post#2763874    

I agree, a 2 door parts car would be best approach and almost suggested, but !!!!!
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04-09-19 09:44 AM - Post#2763896    

I couldn't bring my self to parts-out one of these cars... even if I could, i live in the suburbs, cant do that. Was hoping to buy out of "inventory" or a crashed car. The latter still happens. On one of my normal routs around my house is a 1953 Pontiac more-door that was smacked in the front... wonder what they want for it?

Making trim has always been interesting to me but I'd rather just buy it. I am going to just start collecting parts as opportunities present themselves and see where I end up. The more I look at it, the more i want to do this.
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04-10-19 03:32 PM - Post#2763986    

Hi Drew, A local guy has done that conversion. He very quickly discovered that despite the similar styling the two and four-door sedan bodies are quite different and there is very little that aligns sectionally.
The guy is a very good light metal fabricator as he trained as a sculptor, and had a lot of quality metal working equipment most of us don't have.
He even made custom dies to press panels for custom tail lights which were very ingenious.

It didn't quite look the same as a factory car despite years of work. It's definitely not a smart way to go. Just buy a good Two Door car or complete shell.

Wouldn't it be much simpler to convert the rear door locks to child safe? Kids grow up and then you will need a four-door again and then they leave home and then you don't.

The obvious answer is to buy your wife a two-door or Bel-air and keep the four-door.

Cheers Kiwi

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04-10-19 06:01 PM - Post#2764007    

Really? What doesn’t line up? My rear doors would be used as the rear quarters, and they already fit. The post just slides back. The hard stuff is the trim and window mechanisms. Also the front bench. I could just extend my doors. I am 100% confident that I could make it look good, even if not totally identical to the actual two door.

My kids simply won’t be riding in the car. I would be terrified for their safety in a crash

Explain more about these tail lights the sound cool. And good to hear from you! Sorry to hear of the recent troubles in your county
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04-10-19 09:51 PM - Post#2764021    

Hi Drew,
Wouldn't it be easier to just seal up the rear doors and adjust your seat rails to allow a person to get in and out of the rear by sliding the seat forward?

Just Thinkin'
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04-14-19 05:58 PM - Post#2764226    

Hi Drew, Sometimes I want to give you a good shake. If you feel your car is not safe then what happens to your Wife and kids when you are injured or killed in it?

The old 49 is a solid non-collapsible vehicle so if you crash it at high speed the hit will generate massive "G forces you may not survive.
However, given the invention of lap diagonal belts by VOLVO decades ago the worst effects of this can be mitigated enormously, particularly in the rear seat which has no dash, steering column, switches or pedals.

Dual inertia reel or fixed lap diagonals are an easy fit in the rear as is a centre lap and parcel shelf baby seat restraint.
(I have one of these in my 32 Tudor. Even though it has almost no upper body structure and no parcel shelf.)

If your kids are currently too small for lap diagonals, then modern airbags would likely cause them major trauma also.

To make your rear doors child proof just take off the interior door handles. If you have a big crash with adults in the back they can wind down the windows to reach the exterior handles.
Although kids in proper seat restraints can't reach the handles normally.

What I am saying about the two body styles is that if you sliced them laterally like a loaf of bread, the same slices from the firewall back are not exact matches. The lines the features and the shape is often quite different.

Just Buy a two door if you want one. There will be thousands of them still out there. But although they are prettier they are not as functional as daily drivers. Longer doors are a pain in town.

Cheers Kiwi.

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04-15-19 05:39 AM - Post#2764251    

Kiwi,

$500,000 of life insurance and faith that they will be provided for beyond that, in short.

I was looking at the car the other day and though, I could use a section of the rear doors to rather easily fabricate/lengthen the fronts. What’s left makes rear quarters. Trim and mechanisms would be the remaining issue. Wouldn’t be unidentifiable that it started life as a four door but again I care about it looking good, not looking 100% original.


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04-15-19 07:07 AM - Post#2764260    

I'd like to see a pic of a 4dr converted to a 2dr...
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04-16-19 05:20 AM - Post#2764316    

About 3/4 down my build thread shows mine. Passenger side is done. Driver side is done but still working on the quarters, havent updated the thread in a while. Mine was more involved as I did stock hinge suicide doors at the same time
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04-16-19 05:34 AM - Post#2764318    

I’ll photoshop it soon and post. Look at the back doors. There is a 10” or so “straight area.” From the curves of the front and rear windshields, the doors are “straight.” I’ve seen in done in a tri-5 many times and once in a 2006ish Mercedes S600. The only S coupe of that generation at the time. Being that glass is flat, even easier. The only thing I cannot make is the trim. I originally started this post cause I wanted to understand the rear window set up and the door sizes thinking I’d fabricate everything, then started talking donor parts. The Whole donor thing is a bad idea for many reasons. I can do the former quite easily, same as the tri-5 for the most part. The post is spot welded and leaded in, that’s all. Obstacles are:

Trim
Rear window mechanism
Bench seat
Deciding if I really want to delete my rear doors.


I wouldn’t be going for a factory duplicate. I’d be going for a quality custom

Thanks for all the dimensions and such. I’ll post a photoshopped image when I can, and/or a photo of my car with 2 doors if I decide to do it
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04-16-19 08:42 AM - Post#2764330    

Incredible job! When I think about how much effort it took for me to get the doors on my 2-door to fit correctly, I can't imagine how difficult it must be to do it from scratch. Good luck,

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04-16-19 10:05 AM - Post#2764338    

please dont judge my job here - i used MsPaint casue i have no access to photoshop. I really want to do this. I'd say the only thing stopping me is the trim. and bench seat

I took this photo about 30 minutes ago and did this on my office computer in like 5 minutes

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04-16-19 10:06 AM - Post#2764339    

.... and left the vent window in the coupe pic (opposite side)
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04-16-19 04:47 PM - Post#2764358    

Might look good Drew, go for it.

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04-16-19 07:16 PM - Post#2764363    

  • drew1987 Said:
in the coupe pic (opposite side)


Just a small point, but for accuracy sake...I believe you meant to say 2 Door Sedan. A coupe, in the Styleline body...is a different body style all together again.
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04-17-19 06:26 AM - Post#2764382    

I know a guy locally that did something like this with a '34 F**d sedan. He pieced it together from parts, it was a 2 door on one side and a 4 door on the other.
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04-17-19 09:56 AM - Post#2764399    

Yea I did mean sedan. That’s a kid who grew up in the 90s talking lol we called 2 door sedans coupes (incorrectly)


2 doors on one side and one on the other. SATURN!!!!
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04-17-19 04:47 PM - Post#2764423    

Hi Drew, that is an awful lot of work for something you can go out and buy. Nite Dragon isn't starting with a very tidy survivor.

Those taillights are what my local guy used and mounted them Corvette style. He made his own pressed patch panel to mount into the guards.

The project took years.

Cheers Kiwi
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04-18-19 04:34 AM - Post#2764447    

The car is sentimental so it’d be worthy it.

Talking to “the trim guy” in my local club and apparently, but welding, grinding, and smoothing two pieces of stainless trim not only has been done, but I’ve got guys in my club with cars that have it. That’s one obstacle down. Next is the seat. I can probably use my upholstery, splitting the top part and using plain gray the same color to finish off the open ends. Maybe someone putting buckets in a tri five? It would probably fit? I know they were wider but the seats seemed like far from the rockers.

Window mechanism shouting be hard to cobble up and modify from the ‘yard.



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04-18-19 05:31 AM - Post#2764455    

Drew, are you still going to install the Camaro front sub frame?

The 2 door, doors are longer then the 4 door, doors. Are you going to start with a pair of 2 door, doors and go from there?

I would think the 2 door trim would fit and would serve as a template when you start fabricating??

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04-18-19 10:06 AM - Post#2764477    

I completely agree! I'm working on a car that went through a fire, restoring it because of the enjoyment I get out of the process, and because of the memories associated with that particular car.
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04-18-19 12:13 PM - Post#2764482    

Drew, it's nice that you're young and can do this. I wish I had kept some of the cars that I've had over the years. I got into the "hobby" too late in life to take on any time consuming project. I wanted something on the road, not in the workshop.
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04-18-19 07:58 PM - Post#2764517    

Hi Drew, How long will $500,000.00 keep your family? How does that heal the heartbreak? Don't you think they would rather you made your car safer and were with them for longer?

This conversion had been done many times and even down under but we just didn't really get two-door variants of these. So that was a way to get the prettier two door.
If there were ever two doors, Autos, panel vans, or coupes, they usually came from US folks working at the deep freeze Antartic step off base in Christchurch.

We also cut a lot of four-door sedans into homemade flatbed pickups for farm and commercial use.

Currently, the best safety for small children and infants are car seats in the rear. Airbags are usually too violent and miss positioned for their frames.

Putting two lap-diagonals in the back with a lap in the center and a child seat shackle/s in the parcel tray is real simple. Having the four doors makes it much easier to reach in and secure in your kids. It is also much easier to use around town as the shorter doors are more convenient.

Sure you don't look like a player, but hey you are a Dad

Once the kids get bigger and more mobile then you get into the booster seat model and then need to be able to control the door locks and interior handles. It's still safer and more useable.

Once they get big enough to use the lap diagonals they don't want to be seen with you, and then all of a sudden they want the car but not you coming along. This is the two-door/roadster phase.

Keep and develop your four-door as it is already a sweet ride. Make it safer, turn better, and stop quicker and it will be a great family car.
Make it so it will tow a camper or boat and it will be at the heart of your family quality time.

If you want something a bit more fashionable then work on a cost-effective plan to do that as a family.

I know its a bit mean of me to lecture you on car ownership given that if I count my two pickups I have more than ten of them. But I didn't start out that way.
I bought my first car magazine at ten years old and mum said I was obsessed with them as a toddler. However, I restricted my self to lightly modified late model stuff until I had established my self career wise and had a self-funding property portfolio.

I think I was over thirty when I bought my old "T" bucket. A little later I bought my 51 4-door Sedan, then my 48 PU.
I then bought with my later to be wife our inner city home.

The capital gains of inflation and my personal work on renovating and extending our home and properties have funded all the later vehicles.

The trick is I still have the "T" bucket and I can break even or better on all my vehicles except my daily driver.
This is because I don't go down dead-end tracks with spending and modifications and then sell them up at a loss.

Keep your four-door as a four-door, it is the best combo for fun with family and friend. That is why I bought a four-door pillarless Edsell rather than the two-door model.

Also one of the big mistakes about car hobbyists is not putting a skill/value on their time.
When you are doing years worth of building you aren't at work or with your kids.

Cheers Kiwi



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04-20-19 07:37 PM - Post#2764686    

  • drew1987 Said:
please dont judge my job here - i used MsPaint casue i have no access to photoshop. I really want to do this. I'd say the only thing stopping me is the trim. and bench seat

I took this photo about 30 minutes ago and did this on my office computer in like 5 minutes



If you're gonna do it, might as well make it unique.

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04-25-19 08:47 AM - Post#2765005    

Ohh i love that! 56 caddy front bumper right? Couldnt do it to mine but would in a heart beat to a fresh canvas



So next obstacle.... welding the rear door skin to the quarter... id want to paint or seal that from the back so it doesn't rust, but that would be impossible to get to from inside... how would this be tackled?


Id most likely weld thats left of the rear door to the surrounding body and finish the weld with fiberglass or maybe try my hand at slinging lead, but leaving raw metal behind the weld doesnt seem right....
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04-26-19 06:34 PM - Post#2765119    

What a challenging project to take on. I truly admire your courage, fearlessness and out of the box thinking.
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04-27-19 06:39 AM - Post#2765130    

Thats quite a compliment!

At some point, preferably after I have another old car to drive, I need to fully address the body on my '50. Thats the time where I will officially decide on this. Its funny becuase the convenience of a four-door is great, but there is just something about a two door... at the end of the day its a streetrod so style does come a bit before convenience.

I do wonder how I am going to treat the welds(door skin to quarter) from the back to prevent rust bubbling the body work there. That'll be interesting. also the doors aren't perfectly flush with the body from top to bottom, the shapes differ slightly in area. I can work them together of course. Its a big project! but nothing that hasn't been done. There are people buying up decent 4 door tri-fives and quickly making 2 doors out of them. Its like making a fastback mustang from a coupe. Integrity to tell the buyer that thats what it is is required. I know someone locally who got the aforementioned on ebay and though it was a perfect clone, the vin was clearly modified. It got legal and the car ended up being taken and can never be registered again. Possibly crushed. Sad.
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05-01-19 03:01 AM - Post#2765449    

Hi Drew, that cool looking custom is a coupe, not a two-door. The question is not whether it can be done, but is it worthwhile and will it be as safe as a factory shell.

Unfortunately, the answer to both is no. It won't have the same structural integrity and all the weld areas are far more likely to rust out.

If you want to convert your 4-door into a different body style then choose something like the Coupe-ute from Australia. But it will still be a fake.

Just find a good shell or project car!

Cheers Kiwi

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05-01-19 05:30 AM - Post#2765458    

Yea I see the long trunk. I love those. Almost snagged a 49 three summers ago... one of those situations when I said i'd be there in 45 minutes and he called me 20 later and said someone showed up with cash. I hate that. Just happened to a buddy 60 minutes into a 180 minute drive for a 72 GM convertible for $2500.

Kiwi my life story, well beyond this hobby, is things that cant be done. I'm used to it. More specifically, the post in these cars is moveable. its spot welded and leaded. Moving it back a couple inches wont change the structural rigidity on any level that will affect normal performance or even crash safety, given the angular complexity of the roof and rocker. Yes, the welded areas are more likely to rust. I am running my brain warm thinking of how i'd get at the back of these welds, given the are actually on the outside of a 5 inch thick door that is closed and I have no way at them except from the back, but revisiting the start of this, impossible is nothing but a challenge
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05-01-19 05:33 AM - Post#2765459    

I should add: This car is my only old car, so its being done in phases to keep it on the road while its becoming what it is meant to be. It will be getting its front (and maybe rear) suspension next. Dont know when. While its apart, it MAY get an LS/4l60 or perhaps a corvette 350 form a neighbor. Not sure. SOMEday down the road, it will be time to do the cosmetics. The meat-and-potatoes from this thread, namely the measurements, will be printed and with my shop manual. Should I truly come to a decision to make it a two door, it wont be until then.

The POINT/PURPOSE/GOAL of this car isn't to impress anyone, be worth anything, be original or go in a museum, its simply to jump in and drive when the weather is nice, and for me and my bride to enjoy. 11,000 miles and counting, its done just that
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05-01-19 02:54 PM - Post#2765489    

If you are planning on removing and moving the door posts then welding the doors in place won't make a lot of sense. I would move the door post first where you want it then just cut the outer skin off the door and weld it to the body. After that's done you have an open cavity on the backside to plan your window mechanism and a blank slate for the interior panel, body reinforcement and glass channels.
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05-02-19 04:58 AM - Post#2765525    

that's exactly how I did mine.
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05-02-19 06:45 AM - Post#2765540    

Ok awesome good call

What did you do for the gap? I picture sliding it as close as possible and glassing

Also, the trim. I am going to but weld, grind, polish.... but the gap. Will need a filler piece of stainless, wonder what “kind” of stainless our trim is?
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05-03-19 05:08 AM - Post#2765605    

There shouldn't be any gaps other than the between the door and pillar. The rear door gaps don't exist anymore since you are trimming the rear door skin to fit the opening that is left. Can't help with the trim, I'm not dealing with my trim until the end of the build. I do plan on using Pontiac trim tho so gonna have to modify the stock trim anyway. If you didn't want to modify your trim, you should be able to pick up some 2door trim to fit.
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05-03-19 06:30 AM - Post#2765607    

I guess there is a bunch of cars in my local club that have modified trim for similar purposes, so for cost sake I’ll probably use my old trim modified (welded/ground/polished)

I would love Pontiac trim. Shoot I’d love a Pontiac lol
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05-03-19 08:35 PM - Post#2765678    

Ian Roussel's 4dr to 2 Dr.

https://vimeo.com/89345941
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05-04-19 07:55 AM - Post#2765702    

  • tommy49 Said:
Ian Roussel's 4dr to 2 Dr.

https://vimeo.com/89345941



Big oops! This was supposed to be waaay longer.
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07-14-19 05:11 AM - Post#2770654    

The vent windows were removed from the doors. Is there side glass in the car? No mention of it...
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07-14-19 06:31 AM - Post#2770657    

  • Dave in VA Said:
The vent windows were removed from the doors. Is there side glass in the car? No mention of it...



Good catch, I don't know. This episode was just on and I don't recall side glass. I'll have to watch it again. The front doors were from a 2 door and he moved the B pillars back.
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07-14-19 09:21 AM - Post#2770668    

Being in southern cal, I suspect that it doesn't have side windows and does not drive in rain.
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07-24-19 08:55 AM - Post#2771444    

I have though of a roofless hot rod. Same deal. Unless clear blue skies, no driving
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