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Username Post: Apache 40 1961        (Topic#79391)
blackZ34 
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10-29-04 07:32 AM - Post#541368    

Hi, I just find this forum and hope to find some info/help here!

I was looking for a project and I've found a 1961 Apache 40. I'm totally new to these trucks so I'd like to find as much info as possible before I buy it.

The truck isn't in really good shape, the frame is OK, so are the cab, glasses, the hood isn't too bad. It would need the 2 doors, 2 front fenders, and some other things...! It has a flat bed too (can it be changed for a regular pickup bed?)

While searching the web for some info I found a lot of Apache 10 but no 40. I will try to take some measurement this weekend for the wheelbase, and also try to find the VIN.

Here are some pics of it:
Apache_01
apache_02
Apache_03
Apache_04

 
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Chevy1966pu 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-29-04 08:53 AM - Post#541369    
    In response to blackZ34

Hello there and welcome! A 40 series? I have only heard of that maybe once in the past. I'd say it is worth having due to its rarity. One of our members, Jolly, may have info. He is mainly a GMC man, but knows a lot about the heavier series. Of course, we have other members who may know about them too.


 
Keith1965 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-29-04 09:09 AM - Post#541370    
    In response to Chevy1966pu

Welcome to Chevy Talk!

Yup Jolly is probably the guy you will want to talk to about your truck. For the most part(sheet metal wise, it is mostly the same for all series trucks. There are somethings that you will have to look for in a junk yard, but other then that you shoul dbe ok with sheet metal. Drive train and suspension is a different story, but depending on what you do there is enough knowledge floating around here that you will know everything you need to know before you jump into a project.

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davbra1171 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-29-04 10:43 AM - Post#541371    
    In response to Keith1965

Welcome. I looked at the pics and man it is a shame what people let hapen to these beautiful trucks. Was that a light hanging off the back of the cab? was someone using it as a street lamp? You need to recue that truck (if the price is right )
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dvalentine 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-29-04 10:52 AM - Post#541372    
    In response to blackZ34

OK... Voice of reason about to be heard from.

That truck is in BAD shape. If it's free, and you have room for it, take it and sell off what parts you can.

It will most likely need the majority of sheet matal, floors, rockers, cab corners, glass, weather stripping, etc etc etc replaced. THEN you have to start looking at the suspension and drivetrain.

You will have sunk many thousands of dollars into a vehicle that is less desireable ( IMHO ) than others before you will be able to drive it.

Those thousands invested could have gone to a truck that was running and in a lot better shape.

I say ,, pass on it.

And Welcome to ChevyTalk !!

DV


 
blackZ34 
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Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-29-04 12:59 PM - Post#541373    
    In response to dvalentine

Yeah, it looks to be in bad shape but the cab isn't really bad. sure it needs some work, the floor looks good, so are the rocker, there is some bad rust (or hole!) just over the winshield and also the backglass, but nothing that couldn't be taken care of!

The fenders really needs to be changed and the doors too.Since the frame looks good I'm still considering taking it, and don't worry, I'll get it for cheap!

Oh, and the spotlight in the back isn't part of the truck, it was laid there...!!!

I'll post some other pics soon...

 
sir 
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Loc: grants pass oregon USA
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-29-04 01:05 PM - Post#541374    
    In response to blackZ34

HOWDY...BRUCE HERE, I found one of these (c-40) back behind an old shop in grants pass oregon if your interested I'll check on it for you,I know it's in better shape than that one...

BRUCE.

 
62BillT 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-29-04 09:25 PM - Post#541375    
    In response to blackZ34

Quote:

can it be changed for a regular pickup bed?





I don't know a whole lot about these trucks, but I have seen 1 or 2 thru the years. The C-40 of this type was available in I believe both 60 and 61, but in 62 and on, the C-40 was moved up to a Medium Size stlye truck. The C-40 of your type, resembled the C-30, but has heavier specs. If I'm correct, I believe your factory GVW listed on your tag will be 14,000 lbs. Also it should have, and it looks like it does in your pictures, 18 or 19 inch wheels. I can't tell by your pictures, but it should have a long chassis, but even if it has a short chassis, an 8 Ft pick-up bed will not fit as it will be too short, not to mention dealing with the dual rear wheels. If you do decide to restore it, I would suggest to do some homework to see how many parts would still be available like wheel cylinders, brake shoes, drums, bearings, etc to know beforehand how expensive of a project it would be. Also check on the tires as they are now an oddball size or research to see if you could possibly convert the wheels to a more common size. Keep us posted if you buy it.
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Anonymous 

Re: Apache 40 1961
10-30-04 03:33 AM - Post#541376    
    In response to 62BillT

I agree with alot of the posts above.

If you truely love this truck and would like to restore a truck to be different, this is the truck to restore. I myself would like, one day, to restore a larger truck. My veiws however with the larger trucks are that there is only one way to restore them. That is back to as close to factore specifications as possible. These things are a bear to sell and hard to find parts for, a buyer of a finished one will want one that is complete. If you are looking to hotrod a truck, I do not believe this is the truck for you. Can it be hotrodded. Sure, however you will have a lot more in it than you would if you were to start with a C10, even in comparable condition. Also, as stated by 62BillT, parts will be hard to come by. You can probably still get them, however be prepared to do your homework and fight with parts counter people. If this is your first restoration on this type of scale, I would re-think it. If she is extremely cheap, do a cost analysis of what you think the restoration will cost. At minimum call around for brake shoes, drums, wheel cylinders and a master cylinder for it. These, it will undoubtly need. This does not even touch the motor, if there even is one. A new crate motor from GM here in the States is only about $1500USD.

Finally, in the end after you tally it all up, no matter what it is, you'll have more in it than she is worth, but if you like it and want to keep it, that is what will matter.

 
Jolly 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-31-04 12:55 PM - Post#541377    
    In response to blackZ34

The Chevy Apache 40 was only built from 1960 to 1962, in 1963 this truck was dropped from the line due to low volume of sells of this model. It was Offered only as a chassis cab model & with a GM installed 12 foot stake body. The 1960-1962 Chevy Trucks will have the torsion bar independent front suspension, & leaf springs in the rear. It will have 5/10 lug pattern on the wheels, 5 on the front & 10 on the rear with have dual wheels. It uses the same cab as the smaller 10-30 model trucks.

This would be the MOST RARE Chevy model of this Body style. These trucks are rated for 14,000 lbs. GMC also offered a version of this truck, the GMC Model 3000.

Looking at your photos looks like the rear axle has been changed, it should have the same wheels as the front and ten lugs, the photo shows 8 lugs. Finding parts for the chassis will be the hardest part of restoring this truck, but you could find a newer HD3500 and install the cab on that chassis to keep the 14,000 gvw (HD3500s are rated for 15000lbs).
The 6066 GMC Guy

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66 Blu panel 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
10-31-04 04:46 PM - Post#541378    
    In response to Jolly

For what its worth. I'd say grab that truck.
Is it going to be a pain in the posterior? You bet. But isn't the point, the building of the truck?
One thing is for sure, its not going to be a clone of a million others. btw for us Canucks, sheet metal parts for these truckscan be obtained from CrossCanadaparts.com. Just a word of warning, these parts are made in asia and so forget about exact fit.

 
blackZ34 
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Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Reg: 10-29-04
Re: Apache 40 1961
11-01-04 03:40 PM - Post#541379    
    In response to 66 Blu panel

That kinda sucks!!! I was planning to "rod" it with air bags and a couple of other thing but I think it's a no go for THIS truck...Might as well rebuilt it original...

Any ideas where I could find a 10 bolt rearend (and rims)?

and like 66 Blu panel said, I think that it is exactly the point of rebuilding something. Start from barely nothing and make something! And I have all my time so there's no rush.

And if it's that rare of a truck, it's even more tempting (just for the challenge)!!

 
Jolly 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
11-02-04 10:44 AM - Post#541380    
    In response to blackZ34

For the hot rod thing with air bags, you should really start with a Chevy C10 or C20 as the have the coil spring/trailing arm rear suspension. GMC's have leaf springs in the rear on the 63-66 trucks as do the C30s for all years.

The Chevy C40 or GMC 3000 are really rare for this body style, I only knew of two Chevys & one GMC before your post, so now that's three Chevys. The C40 used the GM H-110
rear axle, which was used in the 63-66 GMC 3500 or Chevy C50, which was the model to take over most of the C40 sells, GMC 3500 or Chevy C50 was offered in a light duty version with the same axle as the C40 used, but they also used two other heavier axle in those trucks.

The newer HD3500 have the bigger wheels and that same 5/10 lug pattern, so if you found one of those trucks for a parts donor then you could get the look of the stock truck with newer rear axle that would be easier to find parts for.

I have only seen the GMC 3000 in person, the one linked to above, and I have yet to find the owner of it, I would like to get that truck for my collection, I'm keeping an eye on it and so far it's still in the same spot.

I got a pair of Apache 40 emblems from another member of this group, maybe he will speak up and have some parts for ya, I don't recall who it was but he was in Canada too eh.
The 6066 GMC Guy

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blackZ34 
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Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Reg: 10-29-04
Re: Apache 40 1961
11-03-04 01:49 PM - Post#541381    
    In response to Jolly

Hey, that's some great info here! Keep'em coming!!!

And I remember seeing those 2 emblems for sale while doing some research on the web...that was an old post from an Ontario guy, that must be him!!And he's not too far away from me!!!

 
blackZ34 
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Reg: 10-29-04
Re: Apache 40 1961
11-03-04 02:15 PM - Post#541382    
    In response to blackZ34

I also found the VIN tag. I knew where it was supposed to be, the only thing is that the driver side door was jammed closed We finally managed to open it and the VIN tag wasn't on the pillar but right below the upper door hinge.

The serial# is 1C4103606*****C

According to this page:VIN decoder , everything matches (the only exception being is that the series/model are under 1962 but maybe the guy who did this page didn't know they existed in 1961 too)

I measured the wheelbase and 133" seems correct. It does have the torsion bar in front and leaf on the rear.

I tried to find a VIN tag on the left frame but nothing I could see, maybe it was too dirty or I wasn't looking the good spot...

here are some other pics:

apache 05
apache 06
apache 07
apache 08
apache 09
apache 10
apache 11
apache 12
apache 13
apache 14
apache 15
apache 16
apache 17
apache 18
apache 19

 
Jolly 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
11-04-04 02:31 PM - Post#541383    
    In response to blackZ34

Being a "General Motors of Canada" truck the vin will vary from what US built trucks show. These truck came in two wheelbases, the short one of 133" & the longer one 157". GM built a 9' step side box they used on one ton trucks with a wheelbase of 133" so if you found on of those you could make a pickup out of it.

As for the Vin # on the frame, some have found one on there trucks, other have not, so I'm not sure what year they started doing that.

This would be a Rare truck to restore, hard to find parts for on the frame & suspension, but the rest is pretty much the same as the pickups. It would be worth saving for the historical reason, and you can still find a 1/2 ton Chevy pickup to hot rod, then you could have one stock, one hot rodded.

I'll probably get in trouble for this next thing, but if you are going to get that truck, and build it back to stock, you mite want to check in to the American Truck Historical Society, this is in no way saying you should leave this site, it's just another great place to get help too.
The 6066 GMC Guy

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blackZ34 
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Loc: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Reg: 10-29-04
Re: Apache 40 1961
11-04-04 03:25 PM - Post#541384    
    In response to Jolly

The GMC 9 feet bed your talking about, this is for dual wheels right? Are they hard to find?

If I can find one I think I might start the project...

Oh, and I don't see why you can get trouble by talking about another site, isn't providing help and finding as much information as possible the main idea of a forum discussion?

Thanks alot again!!!

 
Jolly 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
11-05-04 08:10 AM - Post#541385    
    In response to blackZ34

Q. The GMC 9 feet bed your talking about, this is for dual wheels right?

A. No, single wheel trucks, but I have seen them used with Duallies, they make a wide fender you can get, just can't recall "WHO" they are.




Q. Are they hard to find?

A. YES, vary few have been spotted in the wild.
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K10 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
11-06-04 04:33 AM - Post#541386    
    In response to Jolly

I just purchased a '61 C30 grain truck from Nebraska. It's very similar to your 40. My GVW is 10,000 lbs. That truck could look interesting as a "Big Dually" with pickup bed. It would also look fine with the flatbed. You may actually get more use out of the flatbed especially with the 14,000 gvw. You may consider shopping for a solid cab if it's necessary. Knee knocker cabs in good condition will be a little more challenging to find than the '64-66 cabs. This truck deserves a stock restoration. Bags are simply a waste of effort on this truck. The frame looks good. A motor refresh or replace and a full cab refresh or replace and you'll be close. It WILL cost more than it's worth as a resale. It WILL take a long time. It WILL cost twice as much as what you thought. It MAY be worth it in the end. But that's all up to you. It Will be fun finding out.
Personally, I'd pass, but I have more trucks than I can handle right now. But if you're up for it, this would be a heck of a nice truck when completed. Good luck.


 
blackZ34 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
11-06-04 03:32 PM - Post#541387    
    In response to K10

I got another stupid question!!!

Which size of bed fit with wich wheel base?

Those are the wheelbase I found that had a bed made for :115", 127", 133",

Are there other ones?

Also, according to this page VIN decoder I found that there was a stepside bed in 1962-63-64 and 66 (no 65???) so that must be what the red truck above has...

 
Jolly 
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Re: Apache 40 1961
11-06-04 05:04 PM - Post#541388    
    In response to blackZ34

the following use these Wheelbases.

115" 1/2 ton; Short Bed Pickup, Suburban & Panel.

127" 1/2 & 3/4 ton; Long bed pickup

133" 1 ton: 9 foot pickup & Panel

One ton trucks had other wheelbases but they were chassis/cab, 121" & 157"
The 6066 GMC Guy

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