chev58ss
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07-06-03 03:05 PM - Post#261652
Hi all,
Well we have put the body back on the chassis and fitted the front sheet metal. Checked all the panels and everything lines up nicely. Before we start painting I need to sort out what goes on with the fender moldings. Do they mount with "bath tub" clips? Now that the front sheet metal is in place I do not want to have to remove it to fit "nut bolt" type molding clips.
Could somebody please pass on their experiences on this topic.
Thanks,
Craig.
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chev58ss
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-08-03 03:36 PM - Post#261653
In response to chev58ss
Have I asked a question that no one knows the answer to.
Anybody?
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YeniPenny
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-08-03 03:53 PM - Post#261654
In response to chev58ss
Dang!! Time must fly down-under! It was only 31 minutes between you first question and your "[censored]" about not getting an answer. Sorry, I wasn't sitting on pins and needles waiting for you to pose a question.
I just installed my 58 Impala front fender moldings this afternoon. I can offer first hand, recent advise. Would you care to re-ask your question?
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-08-03 03:57 PM - Post#261655
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Looks like 2 days and 35 minutes to me  
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-08-03 04:08 PM - Post#261656
In response to Gene_Schneider
Gene, there comes a time in one's life when they stick their head up their heiny and ignore what's going on. I'm embarrassed... Two days and 31 minutes it is. 
To answer the original question...No, you cannot use the bathtub clips. Unfortunately, you will have to remove the front fenders in order to properly install the bolt on clips. The two small clips at the very rear of the fender and the next large clip cannot be accessed with the fender bolted in place.
I don't often get myself into an embarrassing position where I feel the need to apologize. This is one of them... I am so sorry for my first response.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-08-03 04:21 PM - Post#261657
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I think that we all have done things like this.I'm also sure that the apology will be accepted. Had the same thoughts until I checked the dates.  
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chev58ss
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-08-03 07:04 PM - Post#261658
In response to YeniPenny
Thanks for the replies and don't worry about it vettafella, I would probably out do you in miss reading quotes!
I was hoping there was some way of mounting the moldings later, DOOH!
We have detailed everything, inside and out. The scary thing is scratching things and having to re-align all the panels again.
Oh well, at least now I know what I have to do.
Cheers. 
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-10-03 11:58 AM - Post#261659
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If you are worried about removing your fenders to mount the moulding you might want to try this. Cut two holes with a metal hole saw in the area of the kick panels so you can reach and install those hard to get nuts that anchor the rear of each spear. I know two people that didn't know that they had to paint the fenders off the auto or remove and remount the fenders after the paint job. Both people told me that they didn't want to scratch the paint after all that work. Not the best way but i was thinking it you found some NOS spears later, they would be a snap to mount. I would still have a problem cutting holes in my car.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-10-03 03:11 PM - Post#261660
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My panel beater/spray painter suggested doing that too.
For the record, we cannot paint the car in pieces and then bolt it together for two main reasons. One is because of the custom flame work that is going down the side of the car and two is because the paintjob comes out better if painted all together as one car sized panel.
I dont mind drilling holes in the side of the firewall, you can always weld them up or make plugs 
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-10-03 05:13 PM - Post#261661
In response to chev58ss
I found painting parts off the car and making them match took a little work but can be done. I believe painters tell people that it comes out better because of the way the paint flows. It is much easier to get a door jam to match if all the paint flows the same way. As for matching the flames thats rough for me. The old guy who taught me how to paint could match flames. He would inlay each color and blend them into the next, but we were in the the one stage stone age and all my hair was the same color.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-10-03 07:53 PM - Post#261662
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Yep, we are going for a mild custom show finish paint job (not stock show finish) and so need to paint fully assembled.
The flames are done all in one hit.
First we design them on paper. Then we take them to the graphic artist. They transfer them onto the computer. A sample is printed on paper. This is placed on the side of the car with masking tape. You stand back and see if you like it. If you don't you get them to vary it and print again. Once you like the pattern you get two printed as stickers (one reversed). No need to do them by hand any more.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-11-03 02:05 AM - Post#261663
In response to chev58ss
I trimmed my fenders while off the car and also painted/cleared the area that is covered by the side molding, then reinstalled the molding. I'll just do a super careful job of masking off the molding when it comes time to paint the whole car.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-11-03 08:18 AM - Post#261664
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Man, you guys really like working hard....
drilling holes in the cowl????
Here's the trick to installing the fender spears.
Use the factory bolt on clips for the first several holes.
The two rear most holes are a royal pain in the butt to access - so our friends at CHRYSLER have the solution.
A steel spring clip that installs by gently pushing inward. The clip expands enough to hold the trim properly to the fender.
Its the only way to go - since the moldings are now easily removable for maintenance.
Bathtub clips?? Forget them on the rear quarters. The repop clip is dimensionally different from the original. IF (and that's a big IF) you can get them in the fender holes you will not be able to gently persuade the trim back on - WITHOUT denting the fenders.
Use threaded clips with nuts and forget the four holes over the rear wheel arch.
Now, I am sitting here on pins and needles awaiting the next post.....
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-11-03 04:16 PM - Post#261665
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Uh huh...now you tell me after I bought the complete clip set with the bathtub clip installation tool.
Ollie, you are driving me to drink!
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-12-03 03:03 AM - Post#261666
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Hi vette,
Naaaaa, you don't no stinkin' excuse to drink.
Send the clip tool back along with those bathtub clips.
If you think I am crazy, try to insert the clip in the oval hole. You will find that the clips are too large and you will end up grinding the heck out of the new paint to make them fit.
Some of these repop parts will make you drink! 
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-13-03 03:53 PM - Post#261667
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Thanks for the info bto
I was just about to buy the clip set.
I can now use the bits out of the Biscayne kit I have and just buy the clips for the Bel air/Impala side trim.
Could you let me know what this chrysler part is. Maybe even a part number or picture. If I want to get hold of some I will need the info, speacialy if I try to get from a local parts shop.
Cheers
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-14-03 12:56 AM - Post#261668
In response to chev58ss
HI chev,
I recommend Auveco since they are of high quality.
pn 12961. Molding fastener with a threaded stud. The stud is NOT fixed to the clip - it has a slot - which allows nice alignment of the trim.
The clip for the blind holes? I will be darned if I can find the part number.
It is a Chrysler clip designed for 3/4" moldings. It has the appearance of a "heart shape" with two legs bent sorta like "flys legs when they die". They protrude approx. 1" and are designed for a 5/16" diameter hole (in the fender).
This clip is made of steel spring wire approx. 1/8" in diameter. Usually coated with a black anticorrosion paint, or black phosphate.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-14-03 07:08 AM - Post#261669
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So I've got a bag load of bath tub clips from the Late Great Chevy club with tool that I may as well throw in the bin then great. Why are they selling these moulding clipsets if they do not do what they are supposed to do ?
I was having a big problem with fitting the repro cill mouldings the other week, I'm dying to know if it was the clips or the $400.00 cill mouldings that are at fault. Some of us from out of the USA can find it prohibitive to return faulty goods or parts purchased in good faith due to the costs.
regards
Paul
58 Impala Convertible. Rebuilt 327 and turbo 350. Air suspension. Dropped spindles.
Disc brakes. Continental kit - painted in Cay Coral. Runs like a top.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-15-03 09:08 AM - Post#261670
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Ollie,
thanks for the million dollar trick. Two of us here have 5 58s between us and those clips will help. I know someone here that use to restore and ship 58s to Japan in the 90s. He use to drill a hole and use a fine sheet metal screw for those bathtub clips. Your clips sound much easier.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-15-03 10:21 AM - Post#261671
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Hey Ollie-
Does this work for 59 Impala's as well? Where was this info ten years ago when I was told I had to paint the fender area under the trim first then attach the fender molding, then attach the fender, then tape the fender molding off myself, just to get the paint shop to take the car and guarantee no one would see the original color under the edge of the fender trim. Wasn't going to try reassmbling the car after the paint job, scratched up a couple areas just trying to put the glass and trim back on the rest of the car after the paint job, I'm all butterfingers at 2:00am
I have learned more in the past month on this site about my car than what have in the 14 years I've owned it.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-15-03 02:23 PM - Post#261672
In response to 58IMPALACON
I don't know what is going on with these bathtub clips. I have $100 worth of them in the garage and none of them fit like the originals.
Well, they would, if I ground the holes in the body, but you know how I feel about that.
I can't comment on the '59 as I am not familiar with the clip arrangement on them. We do have several '59 members who can though....
Well, there is always a better mouse trap out there. Now the purists will say that what I did is not correct and they are right. But you know, if I ever have to remove the moldings from the car - it is slick. As far as the bathtubs are concerned, I took the used originals (which you drill off) and I cut the backs off. Attach the tub over the threaded stud of the aftermarket clips and NO ONE (but us) will know what you did!
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-20-03 06:39 PM - Post#261673
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So this must be what you are talking about Ollie
As you mentioned, they come in packs of 100. I only need a few. I don't think there are enough 58' Chev's in Australia for me to be able to sell the left overs
I guess I will have to find another use for them.
Cheers!
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-21-03 04:23 AM - Post#261674
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That is the clip!
They aren't that expensive - even with the 100 count.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-21-03 01:33 PM - Post#261675
In response to chev58ss
Ollie your right. It does look like a dead fly. Mr Chev58ss did you get a part # on that bag of plenty?
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-21-03 03:00 PM - Post#261676
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Here is the link to the supplier
auto body supply
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
07-22-03 06:54 PM - Post#261677
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Tanks Gents
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
08-11-03 06:13 PM - Post#261678
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Can I now change the direction of the question to help with the next bit I need to do with the moldings.
What material are they made out of?
I stuck a magnet on one and it stuck.
I need to repair them and knowing what they are made of will help determine how I do it.
BTW got some clips from a local parts supplier, not exactly the same but should do the same trick.
Cheers
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
08-12-03 04:22 PM - Post#261679
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The original moldings are stainless steel.
They can be repaired with a little patience.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
08-13-03 03:06 AM - Post#261680
In response to chev58ss
Its a shame they dont make a square or oblong version of that dead fly looking thingy that fits the Impala side moudings, I could use them instead of those useless repro bathtub clips.
Hey Bowtie hindsight is a wonderful thing, I kept all my old bathtub clips up until the day all my nice shiney repro ones turned up - guess I threw the wrong ones away
chev58ss - I'll have some of those clips ! great conversation piece telling people where I got my trim clips from - half way round the world
regards
Paul.
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Disc brakes. Continental kit - painted in Cay Coral. Runs like a top.
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Re: Mounting 58 Impala/Bel Air fender molding ?
08-14-03 03:59 PM - Post#261681
In response to 58IMPALACON
Hey Paul,
email me your postal address, I have probably got something lying around the shed that can easily be posted.
Then I could say there a bits of my 58' hanging on a shed wall in the UK!
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