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Username Post: Please test your parking brake.        (Topic#37711)
xlong4x4 
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Posts: 330

Loc: Boise, ID
Reg: 08-20-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 03:52 AM - Post#253430    
    In response to BauhausNova

Wow that's a lot of information. I thought I'd throw my hat in the ring since I seem to be the only one with the condition.

#1 MINE WORKS GREAT. I use is every time I get out of the driver's seat, I have since I started driving(I also turn my lights on). If I forget I have it on, the truck doesn't move.

Last month I got into a campground really late. I left the truck running on the sloped driveway with the camper loaded and the boat in tow. When I got back in the truck, I realized I had left the truck in drive. I easily could have walked out of the office to find my truck buried in the trees at the bottom of a hill.

#2 DEALER SERVICE IS UP TO THE DEALER. My cars have been cleaned inside and out at no charge during regular service by Edmark Chevrolet in Nampa, Idaho and Les Schwab on Broadway in Boise. Dave Smith Motors in Wallace, Idaho put us in a motel, sent us to the movies, bought several meals, and paid for our tram tickets to the top of Silver Mountain while they inspected a recently traded in truck. In the end, they wouldn't sell it to me even if I wanted it because of the severity of the problems.
2000 (OBS)K3500 Crew Cab Dually. 7.4L, Auto, 4.10
1991 3.1L Corsica (170k)


 
nc_04z71 
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Posts: 107

Reg: 07-02-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 05:18 AM - Post#253431    
    In response to xlong4x4

Has GM done anything to fix this problem with the '04's? After reading this post I decided to test my parking brake on about a 30 degree inclined hill. I applied the parking brake and pulled the transmission down in Neutral and it never moved. I only have 1100 miles on the truck so it may not be a problem yet. I'll check it again when i've got about 20K.

 
Lucky13MN 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 05:19 AM - Post#253432    
    In response to nc_04z71

My '01 with 60,000 miles is just fine...
2001 Silverado:
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  • Corsa Exhaust
  • Z06 Cam
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ExaTorq 
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Posts: 1296

Loc: Dallas, TX
Reg: 07-16-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 05:20 AM - Post#253433    
    In response to 95SilveradoC1500

Quote:

I've never heard of any Texas inspection station checking the parking brake.




Maybe it's a regional thing...I've never NOT had it checked here in North Texas, and we're talking at least six vehicles in a 10-year span. Maybe you've just never noticed!
Brian '03 Tahoe 5.3L FFV/ Wester's 89/91 tune / Outlaw CAI


 
2004maxx 
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Posts: 1817

Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Reg: 11-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 09:28 AM - Post#253434    
    In response to 95SilveradoC1500

Quote:

you slowly apply it as you hold the release out.





What release? GM Trucks and most cars use a foot type that has to be engaged (at whatever speed) and pressed again to FULLY release. There is no in-between like a hand brake.

 
WVRidgeRunner 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 10:27 AM - Post#253435    
    In response to 2004maxx

Quote:

What release? GM Trucks and most cars use a foot type that has to be engaged (at whatever speed) and pressed again to FULLY release. There is no in-between like a hand brake.




Huh? My truck has a foot brake and hand release...

The Olds Alero's I have in my fleet all have hand brakes...

Anyway, earlier somebody mentioned that the 3/4 ton's had a diferent set-up. Must be, mine works just fine... I also drive a 2500 Yukon sometimes at work, it works fine as well, even with a very heavy trailer latched on. I use the parking brake to keep from "Torque-Locking" the tranny when parked on a slope...

Learned that at a very young age of 16. I was pulling my grandpa's dozer on a 5th wheel trailer behind his spiffy new 1984 3/4 ton Chevy (Yes, it was SEVERELY overloaded...). I pulled up at the job site and flipped it in park, let off the brake and got out...

Time to move the truck, it wouldn't come out of park... Had to have an end loader push on the trailer in order to get it out of park...

My grandpa sure was ticked...
WV Ridge Runner
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2004maxx 
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Reg: 11-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 11:12 AM - Post#253436    
    In response to WVRidgeRunner

Quote:


Huh? My truck has a foot brake and hand release...





My bad...I remember it has the foot brake and hand release. I now remember how fast that thing comes up if you aren't careful; wacked my hand once, ouch.

I know my Malibu and the Buick Century and the Pontiac Grand Am have only the foot brake.

 
transman618 
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Posts: 839
transman618
Loc: Cumming,GA
Reg: 06-06-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 11:36 AM - Post#253437    
    In response to Majisto

>> Sad that GM abandons its customers, and sticks them with such a lousy design. No wonder people are buying Lexus vehicles. If you truly stand by that design, and tell me that in no way if GM at fault for this...how can you call yourself a master technician?
<<

If the vehicle was still under warranty then they should repair it. Are you saying that GM is responsible for every parking brake on every GM vehicle made ?? I have a 55 Chevrolet, Is GM responsible for my parking brake on my 55..??? NO, I am responsible for its operation. Where does it end ??? How far back do you want them to go ?? If I recall right. Most states have LAWS that state headlights must be operational or you can be cited....Or even fail a state inspection. Is GM responsible for the customers headlight just because there is a state law that says it should be operational. No, I as the owner am responsible for my headlights, to make sure they are operational and in compliance with state law. Honda, for example, found defects in some models of their automatic transmissions. They in turn increased their warrantys to 100k on these models. Do you expect them to give lifetime warranties on them ??

>> Why can't GM spend some money and actually help its customers out? <<

Again, how far do you expect them to go ?? If the vehicle is still under warranty, they should be responsible for repairing it.

>> You can't keep looking out for the bottom line. <<

Somebody has to. If GM goes under, who is going to pay for future warranty work on new vehicles ??

>> No wonder people are buying Lexus vehicles. <<

I hate to burst your bubble, but even Lexus has their own problems. ALL car manufacturers do.



How can I call myself a Master technician? Easy.
21 years of hard work, studying, testing, investing my own money in training and refresher courses, over $100,000.00 invested in specialty tools and equipment so I can PROPERLY diagnose and repair my customers transmissions in a timely manner to get them back on the road ALL with a LESS than 1% come back rate......Is that enough, or do I need to go on????


transman
GM MASTER TECHNICIAN
SR. TRANSMISSION BUILDER



 
No_Floaters 
Member
Posts: 2

Loc: McKinney, TX.
Reg: 08-11-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 01:38 PM - Post#253438    
    In response to transman618

I climbed under my truck after the parking brake quit holding it in our driveway. It's a little steep. I didn't want the transmission parking pawl (right words?) to have to hold the truck. The cables has no adjustment left. It was from the factory like this. The garage I took it to loosened the cable adjustments under the truck & the dash. It was OK after that.
'99 Silverado X-Cab Z-71


 
GM-Tech 
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Posts: 4157
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Loc: South Florida
Reg: 06-27-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 02:17 PM - Post#253439    
    In response to No_Floaters

Quote:

The cables has no adjustment left. It was from the factory like this.




This is the way they all are and the way it's supposed to be.
.


 
2004maxx 
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Posts: 1817

Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Reg: 11-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 05:53 PM - Post#253440    
    In response to transman618

Transman618,

Its all about design. It is agreed that they have a poor design that causes the failure of the parking brake. Therefore, it should be treated like a recall. If your headlamps overheated due to design and caused a fire, do you think that GM wouldn't be responsible? I hope not...There are laws in this country about manufacturers having to design safe products. I don't think a vehicle that can't hold itself is a safe vehicle. Whether or not the law agrees with me or not, I don't know.

 
ExaTorq 
Senior Member
Posts: 1296

Loc: Dallas, TX
Reg: 07-16-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 07:18 PM - Post#253441    
    In response to 2004maxx

Well, like I've said before: Bitching and moaning and complaining about it here isn't going to move GM to tears over your problems. Yeah, the clips are bad. Yeah, it can be fixed (I've been through three different GM trucks with the problem, and every one has passed inspection after jumping through the necessary hoops). Does it suck? Yeah...so do something about it instead of whining about it here. In fact, I'll help y'all out:

http://www-odi.nhtsa.dot.gov/ivoq/

I've put my complaint in...three times for three different vehicles. At some point, the government might figure out that a failing parking brake is up there in catastrophic-producing defects like...a pair of defective tailgate cables!

Murdock and/or Captain K, do the right thing and close this thread...it's beginning to sound like a piston slap cryfest.
Brian '03 Tahoe 5.3L FFV/ Wester's 89/91 tune / Outlaw CAI


 
BauhausNova 
Senior Member
Posts: 443

Loc: Arizona
Reg: 11-23-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 01:55 AM - Post#253442    
    In response to ExaTorq

To whom it may concern:

If the Gov't does decide on a recall; it would not surprise me to see GM retrofit the 2005 rear drum brake setup and it ancillaries onto the 1999-94 1/2T Silverados.
1965 Chevy Impala Sedan.........soon.


 
glsable 
Senior Member
Posts: 475

Loc: Virginia
Reg: 07-02-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 04:16 AM - Post#253443    
    In response to BauhausNova

Quote:

To whom it may concern:

If the Gov't does decide on a recall; it would not surprise me to see GM retrofit the 2005 rear drum brake setup and it ancillaries onto the 1999-94 1/2T Silverados.




no worries there! That would be way too expensive. Likely the fix would be a quick "adjustment" to get you back on the road and get the NHTSA off their back.
glsable
glsable
2003 K1500 Suburban LT
1993 Caprice wagon
1998 Volvo S70 Turbo


 
Lucky13MN 
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Posts: 5592
Lucky13MN
Reg: 06-20-01
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 04:21 AM - Post#253444    
    In response to ExaTorq

Quote:

Murdock and/or Captain K, do the right thing and close this thread...it's beginning to sound like a piston slap cryfest.





Your request has been noted
2001 Silverado:
  • S&B Intake
  • Corsa Exhaust
  • Z06 Cam
  • Air Bags
  • HP Tuners
  • A 'few' other things


 
2004maxx 
Very Senior Member
Posts: 1817

Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Reg: 11-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 06:30 AM - Post#253445    
    In response to ExaTorq

Quote:


Murdock and/or Captain K, do the right thing and close this thread...it's beginning to sound like a piston slap cryfest.




LOL!!! Its not that bad...yet...

 
Majisto 
Senior Member
Posts: 131

Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 04-30-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 07:39 AM - Post#253446    
    In response to transman618

Quote:

>> Sad that GM abandons its customers, and sticks them with such a lousy design. No wonder people are buying Lexus vehicles. If you truly stand by that design, and tell me that in no way if GM at fault for this...how can you call yourself a master technician?
<<

If the vehicle was still under warranty then they should repair it. Are you saying that GM is responsible for every parking brake on every GM vehicle made ?? I have a 55 Chevrolet, Is GM responsible for my parking brake on my 55..??? NO, I am responsible for its operation. Where does it end ??? How far back do you want them to go ?? If I recall right. Most states have LAWS that state headlights must be operational or you can be cited....Or even fail a state inspection. Is GM responsible for the customers headlight just because there is a state law that says it should be operational. No, I as the owner am responsible for my headlights, to make sure they are operational and in compliance with state law. Honda, for example, found defects in some models of their automatic transmissions. They in turn increased their warrantys to 100k on these models. Do you expect them to give lifetime warranties on them ??

>> Why can't GM spend some money and actually help its customers out? <<

Again, how far do you expect them to go ?? If the vehicle is still under warranty, they should be responsible for repairing it.

>> You can't keep looking out for the bottom line. <<

Somebody has to. If GM goes under, who is going to pay for future warranty work on new vehicles ??

>> No wonder people are buying Lexus vehicles. <<

I hate to burst your bubble, but even Lexus has their own problems. ALL car manufacturers do.



How can I call myself a Master technician? Easy.
21 years of hard work, studying, testing, investing my own money in training and refresher courses, over $100,000.00 invested in specialty tools and equipment so I can PROPERLY diagnose and repair my customers transmissions in a timely manner to get them back on the road ALL with a LESS than 1% come back rate......Is that enough, or do I need to go on????


transman



From what I have been seeing, it looks like GM doesn't even want to consider this a problem (Indivdual techs and dealerships might, but that doesn't work). Many of these trucks with problems are still under warranty. Does GM's warranty run out after 7K miles now, or is that just when problems begin to happen?

My biggest gripe is how is this braking design even allowed to be shipped? Who honestly thinks this system is better than the previous system which worked great? Typical GM. They spend years and years testing and improving their product to near perfection, and then decide to just start all over again.

I hate drum brakes. Anybody who lives in a mountainous area can tell you how superior discs are to drum in regards to brake fade, and ease of repair. But if you use a lousy system, you should stick with what you do best, or test the system in a CONTROLLED environment. We're not all mechanics who have hours to spend on our vehicles fixing what the cheap manufacturer didn't want to fix, or have the know how or tools to do it.

This Caprice is a money pit. I just spent $300 fixing a leaking intake gasket. The only reason I keep it around is because the insurance is very low, and there are no payments on it. When this engine or transmission goes (again) it's going to the scrap yard. Maybe GM machines are made for mechanics. That's great, but I won't spend my hard earned money keeping one on the road (I can't even work on my car living in an apartment complex), especially when GM considers all my problems "normal" or "we could not find the problem".
2000 Ford Explorer XLT 1986 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon - Olds 307 V-8 "We're all car guys at heart."


 
CaptainK 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 07:49 AM - Post#253447    
    In response to 2004maxx

Quote:

Quote:

Murdock and/or Captain K, do the right thing and close this thread...it's beginning to sound like a piston slap cryfest.


LOL!!! Its not that bad...yet...





Hopefully it won't get to that point either . Keeping an eye out though
'99 Silverado (NBS)


 
Mudholes Z-71 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 07:49 AM - Post#253448    
    In response to Majisto

well boys, count me in on this one two! '01 Z-71 with 76+ and no parking brake!!
Mudhole www.OutdoorsLouisiana.com


 
steve v 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 11:55 AM - Post#253449    
    In response to Mudholes Z-71

c'mon guys, how hard is it to adjust or fix your parking brake? Sometimes you just gotta get your hands dirty or pay somebody else to get there's dirty. No big deal. There are many other things to be more concerned about than your parking brake.

 
silveradolsz7153 
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Reg: 11-01-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 01:44 PM - Post#253450    
    In response to steve v

Mine's a 2000 with 46k on it parking brake worked fine until a couple of months ago. Ill be checking into the clips this fall. A question for the techs though. Is there not some drum brake setup from a smaller car (an old Chevette maybe) that would be small enough to retrofit an adjustable dual shoe setup in place of the single shoe p-brake while retaining the stock rotors? As far as GM retrofitting the '05 drums, it seems to me that it would be cheaper to retrofit the 2500 brakes instead...fewer parts in the system would need replacing.

Bill
If you don't like your job, don't go on strike. Just go in every day and do a really half a$$ed job. That's the American way----Homer Simpson


 
jefro 
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Posts: 1121

Loc: Texas
Reg: 06-18-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 04:43 PM - Post#253451    
    In response to Lucky13MN

I disagree about closing this thread.
One is about a design issue that is unlikely to cause a death.
The other is about a design issue that can and may have caused damage or injury.

My original thread asked Chevytalk readers to check their parking brake. I think we all agree that some full sized models may have this clip problem. I can say that after the work was done my wifes truck's parking brake worked like it has on every other car and truck I have driven for the last 30 years. There is feedback on it's usage to the driver and there is results in its ability to prevent the truck from moving. That is all I want it to do. Nothing more and for sure nothing less.

 
2004maxx 
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Reg: 11-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-13-04 07:28 PM - Post#253452    
    In response to steve v

Quote:

c'mon guys, how hard is it to adjust or fix your parking brake? Sometimes you just gotta get your hands dirty or pay somebody else to get there's dirty. No big deal. There are many other things to be more concerned about than your parking brake.




For me, if I owned one, it would be impossible. I live in a community with an HOA and they forbid any car work. I would definitely balk at paying someone to repeatedly fix something which is admittedly a bad design.

 
BauhausNova 
Senior Member
Posts: 443

Loc: Arizona
Reg: 11-23-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-14-04 03:54 AM - Post#253453    
    In response to 2004maxx

And:

On at least the 1500 series GMT800's; the wheel, caliper as well as the rotor all have to be removed to even access let alone adjust the parking brake.
GM technicians, correct me if I am wrong here
Besides; once in there, the parking brake band typically is already worn long with the 'drun' portion of the rotor being rippled and gouged
1965 Chevy Impala Sedan.........soon.


 
Majisto 
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Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 04-30-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-14-04 07:26 AM - Post#253454    
    In response to steve v

Quote:

c'mon guys, how hard is it to adjust or fix your parking brake? Sometimes you just gotta get your hands dirty or pay somebody else to get there's dirty. No big deal. There are many other things to be more concerned about than your parking brake.



It's hard when you live in an apartment complex, and you don't have the know-how or the tools to fix it. Again, not everybody is a mechanic, nor wants to be. But I guess GMs are built for mechanics.

GM - Keeping the mechanic/technician profession profitable.
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Z53Bel 
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Posts: 321
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Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 07-16-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
10-06-04 05:48 AM - Post#253455    
    In response to GM-Tech

There is agreement to the fact that the design of the parking brake is not the best. I have a 2002 Avalanche and am now 2 months out of date on my inspection here in Texas due to this design flaw. I do not tow,park on hills, and do not even use my parking brake. Yet, set the brake, put it in Drive and away she goes. My 'usually good' dealer (North Austin)is denying there is a problem and wants me to pay to fix this. To even look at it, they want to be paid! I STRONGLY disagree with this. Your post implies that the fix is relativly simple, how about cost. Is there a reason a service department would avoid fixing such a gross safety flaw?
Thanks.
Just starting on my 53 Bel Air restoration, still!
235 3spd 4dr


 
ExaTorq 
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Posts: 1296

Loc: Dallas, TX
Reg: 07-16-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
10-06-04 07:10 AM - Post#253456    
    In response to Z53Bel

It almost seems to me that simply using the p-brake keeps it in working order. The p-brake on the '02 gets regular use, and works pretty well.
Brian '03 Tahoe 5.3L FFV/ Wester's 89/91 tune / Outlaw CAI


 
jefro 
Very Senior Member
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Loc: Texas
Reg: 06-18-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
10-06-04 11:15 AM - Post#253457    
    In response to Z53Bel

My wife had that truck fixed in Lockhart. She went in for an inspection sticker and a few maint items. OK, with the so called warranty she paid $1400 for that didn't pay one cent she forked over almost $600. The rotors were something like $140 each and the pads were about $80 plus labor. There were some honest people in Lockhart that tipped her off to the faulty part.

Does GM need to be responsible for 1950's? Dunno. Is Ford paying on 1960's Mustangs. Yes. There is no limit on faulty design. Do you wish to put a limit on your child's safety? Sadly a few local kids were killed in Pinto's. It should take a death to force good, professional, and sound judgement. There are a lot of good UAW workers that know everyday that what they build can be better. I am sure that there are also tech's and managers that wish to build the best quality product. They need to get HOT right now. Look at the falling sales numbers. The big three will be soon the big san-ban desu.

 
GM-Tech 
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Reg: 06-27-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
10-06-04 01:54 PM - Post#253458    
    In response to Z53Bel

Quote:

Your post implies that the fix is relativly simple, how about cost. Is there a reason a service department would avoid fixing such a gross safety flaw?





I guess since you're replying to some past post of mine, this is directed at me.

I don't know cost off hand. Not even ballpark. I'd have to go to the parts counter and ask and I'm at home right now.

I'm not sure about the avoiding fixing part. You said they would, for a price? I guess you meant they're avoiding fixing it for free?

As for what the reason may be why a service department would avoid fixing this...I'm not going to get into another one of these debates. I don't know your dealer or their reasons. You should ask them, I guess.
.


 
2004maxx 
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Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Reg: 11-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
10-06-04 09:04 PM - Post#253459    
    In response to GM-Tech

Quote:

I'm not going to get into another one of these debates.





Been in enough of those with me huh? Its much easier to stick to the technical side of things, I know I've been trying.

 
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