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Username Post: Please test your parking brake.        (Topic#37711)
Z53Bel 
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Posts: 321
Z53Bel
Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 07-16-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-25-04 10:14 AM - Post#253400    
    In response to Mr_Goodwrench

I don't know if you have seen this, but I mentioned this issue to my dealer here in Texas last week. He said the same story about wear and tear (by the way, I have never used the parking brake yet) and that I couldn't get my vehicle inspection renewed if I didn't spend several hundred $'s on having this serviced! Well, let's just say, it didn't smell right and I left.
After reading the posts here, it concerncs me of a potential catch 22. If the state of Texas performs a test that engages the parking brake, puts the truck in drive and see's if it holds,then all of us are going to fail the test. Yet, if the user manual states that the parking brake is not for this purpose... well I think you see where I am going here.
Has anyone had this expierence yet?

Just starting on my 53 Bel Air restoration, still!
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tsbrewers 
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Reg: 10-19-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-28-04 04:24 PM - Post#253401    
    In response to Z53Bel

Well, I have two 2k silverado's. One seems fine the other's parking brake might as well be removed from the truck.

My driveway has a very slight incline on it. TWICE i have had the truck roll in to the street after I parked it, and both times I had the truck in Park and the parking brake on. Dealer says nothing is wrong. We have about 70 of these trucks through out the company and I have heard of this happening to at least 10 of them.

Brew



 
GM-Tech 
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GM-Tech
Loc: South Florida
Reg: 06-27-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-28-04 04:53 PM - Post#253402    
    In response to tsbrewers

10 trucks that roll when in park AND the parking brake is on? I'm sorry but I don't believe it.

I have NEVER seen one that didn't hold in park unless there was a major and obvious problem that shouldn't be ignored and I've seen thousands of trucks and cars go through our service department in 35 years in the business.

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'00Z 
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Reg: 03-16-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-30-04 04:10 AM - Post#253403    
    In response to GM-Tech

I have a 2000 Z71 and the parking brake has NEVER worked properly. I have to go through the routine of TRYING to get it inspected every year and just hope they don't test it. It has NEVER worked right and I have been told by MANY shops that they see this problem all the time with these models. GM get a clue, it is a defect! Oh, the reason it isn't fixed is the outrageous price they want to do it. PLEASE! Quit being cheap and put some real tailgate cables on also while you are at it.





 
GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-30-04 05:05 AM - Post#253404    
    In response to '00Z

Quote:

Quit being cheap and put some real tailgate cables on also while you are at it.




There is a recall forthcoming on the tailgate support cables.

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CaptainK 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-30-04 05:59 AM - Post#253405    
    In response to GM-Tech

Quote:

Quote:
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Quit being cheap and put some real tailgate cables on also while you are at it.


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There is a recall forthcoming on the tailgate support cables.




Speaking of which, have you heard yet if they are going to include the late model year 99's (new body style) in this recall? I would imagine that they all use the same cables.

'99 Silverado (NBS)


 
'00Z 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-30-04 07:56 AM - Post#253406    
    In response to CaptainK

Thanks GM-Tech.




 
websocket 
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Reg: 08-09-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-09-04 09:02 AM - Post#253407    
    In response to Z53Bel

2001 Suburban 39k miles failed Texas vehicle inspection today for: Parking brake will not hold the vehicle in place when, with the engine running, the vehicle is placed in forward gear and the engine is accelerated enough to cause a pull on the braking mechanism.
. Contected dealer, they asked if I have been being it in for 15k adjustments. What! This will be the seventh time its been in the shop for repairs. And people wonder why...



 
mray 
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Reg: 04-16-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-09-04 11:18 AM - Post#253408    
    In response to '00Z

67000 miles on my 00 GMC 3/4ton 4x4. I use the parking brake every time I park, (habit) and it works very well. I have been using my parking brake on pickups for the past 30 years. And if they don't work for some reason, I fix them. simple as that. Try driving a manual trans for a while. U learn to use the parking brake or have to shut the motor off every time you get out.



 
BowtieBonanza 
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Posts: 174
BowtieBonanza
Loc: Las Vegas, NV
Reg: 07-14-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-09-04 02:05 PM - Post#253409    
    In response to jefro

My parking brake lever might as well not even be there. It doesn't work, nor does it feel like it works when you push it in.

--Jonathan

'07 Silverado 1500 5.3 2WD Ext Cab Reg Bed

-RIP 3/17/2007-
'00 Silverado 1500 5.3 2WD
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jefro 
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Loc: Texas
Reg: 06-18-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 06:57 AM - Post#253410    
    In response to BowtieBonanza

Wow! 4400+ views. HOPEFULLY they all CHECK their parking brake. I don't care what you call it but it MUST DO SOMETHING! Otherwise it is useless weight now isn't it? If it does nothing as some so called techs claim then how can they explain it's function? Good looks?

As the story goes. My wife and I contact the dealer and write a complaint to GM. The area warranty tech agreed that since there was a defect in the clips of that model they would finally refund our half grand spent to get the parking brake fixed. Thank you GM but only after we threaten a class action suit. After the truck was fixed the brake pedal went down about half way and we were able to pass the state inspection every year since. We finally felt safe when launching our boat on the ramp. We felt safe leaving our truck on a slope where someone might pass by. I never wanted to be a (blank) about the whole thing. I never heard such manure about something that is such a simple safety feature. That feature has been mandatory on cars and trucks for over 60 years.

Again Please check your parking brake. It is a safety feature and needs to be used and be functional.


While we are at it can we get the $42 we spent on replacement tailgate cables? OOOHHH. After we buy them we find they are faulty too. Dunno why my wife wanted a new GM after all that?



 
Majisto 
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Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 04-30-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 07:04 AM - Post#253411    
    In response to jefro

Heh, GM will never change some things. My old Century and this Caprice have lousy parking brakes too.

My mom's Taurus had a pedal that went to the floor. I advanced the shoes on the drums by turning the star wheel, and tightened the cable a bit, and now it goes maybe halfway to the floor, before being perfectly engaged. I would never want to drive a car without a good back-up system, especially with these electronically controlled brakes.

2000 Ford Explorer XLT 1986 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon - Olds 307 V-8 "We're all car guys at heart."


 
Akamatsu 
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Reg: 05-27-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 07:57 AM - Post#253412    
    In response to mray

Quote:

67000 miles on my 00 GMC 3/4ton 4x4. I use the parking brake every time I park




3/4 Ton vehicles have a much better(and standard for years) design on the parking brake. 2 shoes per side. The trucks that have the problems are the 1500 series with a single shoe per side(looks like a horseshoe, one piece). I tinkered for a long time to get my parking brake working. It has been good(well, at least working) for almost a year now. The design on the 1/2 ton parking brake just plain sucks. One little clip that holds the whole shoe in a centered position. Has a huge tendency to sag, causing the shoe to ride against the drum.



 
transman618 
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transman618
Loc: Cumming,GA
Reg: 06-06-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 08:55 AM - Post#253413    
    In response to jefro

>> The Parking Brake MUST by state law hold the vehicle. It must hold if you have an AT or Standard tranny. It is a safety part <<

That law is designed for the OWNER of the vehicle. That he/she maintain the parking brakes operation. Its NOT meant for GM or any other car manufacturer to guarantee the parking brakes operation for the life of the vehicle. Thats the owners job.


transman

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Majisto 
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Posts: 131

Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 04-30-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 10:35 AM - Post#253414    
    In response to transman618

Quote:

>> The Parking Brake MUST by state law hold the vehicle. It must hold if you have an AT or Standard tranny. It is a safety part <<

That law is designed for the OWNER of the vehicle. That he/she maintain the parking brakes operation. Its NOT meant for GM or any other car manufacturer to guarantee the parking brakes operation for the life of the vehicle. Thats the owners job.


transman



Sad that GM abandons its customers, and sticks them with such a lousy design. No wonder people are buying Lexus vehicles. If you truly stand by that design, and tell me that in no way if GM at fault for this...how can you call yourself a master technician?

This is so silly to argue about. Why can't GM spend some money and actually help its customers out? You can't keep looking out for the bottom line. It'll cost MORE in warranty work/legal fees down the road.

There was a very good article in the Wall Street Journal recently about Toyota. It contained snippets from the Preisdent in Japan talking about the quality of Toyota dropping off. He is very, very upset about it, and I would be too. I hope this article is read by the entire auto community.

I don't want anymore over-paid, non-motivated American workers putting my vehicle I pay an arm and leg for together. Oh yes, and even if there is one or two assembly line workers who give a care (There certainly are), there is no way they will be listened to with the American corporate ideology. I hope Toyota tears through GM, and passes them in sales. Ford already was kicked in the face, and I hope GM is next. I won't take this any longer. It's sad. It really is.

It's called SERVICE. Learn it.

2000 Ford Explorer XLT 1986 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon - Olds 307 V-8 "We're all car guys at heart."


 
2004maxx 
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Posts: 1817

Loc: Phoenix, AZ
Reg: 11-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 10:41 AM - Post#253415    
    In response to transman618

Quote:


That law is designed for the OWNER of the vehicle. That he/she maintain the parking brakes operation. Its NOT meant for GM or any other car manufacturer to guarantee the parking brakes operation for the life of the vehicle. Thats the owners job.




Not even the life of the vehicle. The owner shouldn't have to take care of a defective design. These things fail even during the warranty period. NHTSA should make GM recall all of these and replace the parking brake system with a better design.



 
jefro 
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Loc: Texas
Reg: 06-18-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 10:45 AM - Post#253416    
    In response to Majisto

I must have been confused by the word "brake". I wonder what GM thinks that means?
"n : a brake operated by hand; usually operates by mechanical linkage"
Or
"brake1 ( P ) Pronunciation Key (brk)
n.
A device for slowing or stopping motion, as of a vehicle, especially by contact friction.
Something that slows or stops action.

v. braked, brak·ing, brakes
v. tr.
To reduce the speed of with or as if with a brake.

v. intr.
To operate or apply a brake.
To be slowed or stopped by or as if by the operation of a brake. "

Quoted from dictionary.com as printed in The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
Copyright © 2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company



 
Majisto 
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Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 04-30-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 11:00 AM - Post#253417    
    In response to jefro

When my friend took his Volvo in for warranty work, they washed his car for him, and vaccumed it out. They were quick, corteous, and did not give us a hard time at all.

Do you know what Ford did to my mother when we brought our Taurus in there for a simple fix of the BOO switch? They took the wheels off, did a diagnostic test, and took 3 hours more than they told us it would take. Not only did they waste our time, but they didn't even properly torque the lug nuts down properly. GM and Ford have a lot of work to do...and I am not the only person that is about ready to lose faith, and give up. The dealers are as much a mess, as the corporation itself.

2000 Ford Explorer XLT 1986 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon - Olds 307 V-8 "We're all car guys at heart."


 
GM-Tech 
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Reg: 06-27-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 11:42 AM - Post#253418    
    In response to Majisto

Quote:

When my friend took his Volvo in for warranty work, they washed his car for him, and vaccumed it out. They were quick, corteous, and did not give us a hard time at all.





This has nothing whatsoever to do with the brand of vehicle or the manufacturer. This is a product of the management of the facility, starting at the very top with the owner.

There are plenty of Chevy dealers that will give you the same service as that Volvo dealer, and some may even do better. And I'm sure there are plenty of Volvo dealers that will screw you royally.

The problem is the general attitude of the American worker, and every one of you (and me) are a part of that. You think only the automotive industry has this problem? Hello! Time to wake up out there. I see it all the time in the lousy service I get in just about every business.

.


 
ExaTorq 
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Reg: 07-16-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 11:51 AM - Post#253419    
    In response to GM-Tech

Quote:

The problem is the general attitude of the American worker, and every one of you (and me) are a part of that. You think only the automotive industry has this problem? Hello! Time to wake up out there. I see it all the time in the lousy service I get in just about every business.




Ain't that the truth...just spent $4200 for a new A/C unit/coil install at the house, only to spend 4 hours rewiring the work they did so the furnace didn't kick on with the A/C!

Which is why I simply do most of my own maintenance, whether it's a minor truck problem under warranty, plumbing, or whatever: Nobody has greater interest in getting a problem fixed RIGHT than the owner.

Folks in the trade complain when us "DIYers" infringe into their "livelihoods" by doing things ourselves. It should come as no surprise why some of us go down that road. I've been screwed too many times by so-called "professionals" with shoddy work practices and questionable skills.

Brian '03 Tahoe 5.3L FFV/ Wester's 89/91 tune / Outlaw CAI


 
Majisto 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 11:59 AM - Post#253420    
    In response to GM-Tech

Quote:

Quote:

When my friend took his Volvo in for warranty work, they washed his car for him, and vaccumed it out. They were quick, corteous, and did not give us a hard time at all.





This has nothing whatsoever to do with the brand of vehicle or the manufacturer. This is a product of the management of the facility, starting at the very top with the owner.

There are plenty of Chevy dealers that will give you the same service as that Volvo dealer, and some may even do better. And I'm sure there are plenty of Volvo dealers that will screw you royally.

The problem is the general attitude of the American worker, and every one of you (and me) are a part of that. You think only the automotive industry has this problem? Hello! Time to wake up out there. I see it all the time in the lousy service I get in just about every business.



I do not think I have a problem at all. I pay good money for a product, and I expect it to work well. I am in sales, and I treat my customers with respect, because they like that. I get repeat business because of it, and I am proud of it.

Recently I had some paper shipped to an account, and the idiotic shipping company stacked one pallet on top of the other, crushing the paper boxes on the bottom. The account called me and was very upset (They should be). I called up the paper manufacturer who is coming out tomorrow, and we are going to visit the account and replace the boxes free of charge. No call tags, no pain in the butt phone tag.

THAT is service, and that is what should happen every time a sale is made, no matter what it is. If I cannot get service, I will gladly go somewhere else. I have no time for this, and there is nobody that doesn't like to be serviced.

2000 Ford Explorer XLT 1986 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon - Olds 307 V-8 "We're all car guys at heart."


 
Mike C 
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Reg: 06-19-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 01:06 PM - Post#253421    
    In response to Majisto

GM's answer to this problem. Lets go back to drum brakes in the rear for 2005.

2002 Z71 ECSB LT Westers massaged PCM Magnaflow cat-back


 
GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 01:07 PM - Post#253422    
    In response to Majisto

Quote:

I do not think I have a problem at all.




I was generalizing when I said "you". I didn't mean you personally. There are plenty of people that love their job and do it to the best of their ability and care about the customer.

But you do have an idiotic shipping company, so you see, it even affects you... Just as some idiotic dealers out there give the manufacturer a bad name.

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dav4x4 
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Reg: 03-12-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 01:21 PM - Post#253423    
    In response to jefro

2000 sierra 1500 parking brake has not worked since ive had it, over a year now. got it inspected today for the 2nd time since i owned it. luckly it passed this time



 
GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 02:15 PM - Post#253424    
    In response to dav4x4

Quote:

parking brake has not worked since ive had it, over a year now. got it inspected today for the 2nd time since i owned it. luckly it passed this time




Not much of an inspection there.

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dav4x4 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 02:39 PM - Post#253425    
    In response to GM-Tech

by the looks of these post; not much of an inspection in a lot of places



 
Majisto 
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Loc: Austin, Texas
Reg: 04-30-04
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 05:05 PM - Post#253426    
    In response to dav4x4

Quote:

by the looks of these post; not much of an inspection in a lot of places



All the independent shops who perform inspections do things however they want. Many of them skip over spots such as parking brake and horn around here.

2000 Ford Explorer XLT 1986 Chevrolet Caprice Wagon - Olds 307 V-8 "We're all car guys at heart."


 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-11-04 08:06 PM - Post#253427    
    In response to Majisto

I've never heard of any Texas inspection station checking the parking brake. Apparently, the parking brake is being worn somehow...If its happening to few trucks, its a problem with the owner. If theres a problem on almost every truck produced, then it can be a manufacturing defect.

First off, Owners. Take care of your truck. Im sure theres something your doing that is making them wear out prematurely...Dont try driving with it on, and always make sure its completely off. Dont try to slam it on at 60 MPH and expect it to stop the truck...you will and i repeat...YOU WILL end up taking out a guardrail, a tree, bush, or even another vehicle. Parking brake is used for one thing...PARKING. Only time it is used when moving is when your main service brakes go out due to neglection, and still yet you dont slam it on...you slowly apply it as you hold the release out.

Secondly, GM and Chevy Dealers. If you know that there is a manufacturing defect in the vehicle, let the customer know...It doesnt do any good to you, the Chevy Dealer, Chevrolet, and/or GM to have one tech say that there is nothing wrong when something really is wrong. If something is wrong, Fix it...or let the owner of the vehicle know.


Im not choosing sides here as you can see. As for the 2005 Rear Drums...I wouldnt be surprised...that design has never failed me, or many owners of the 88-98 trucks with the rear drums. Adjustment is easy...Start it, reverse, take it to 20-30 MPH, slam on the brakes. You cant do that with Discs, and this design will most likely help the truck with the parking brake problems as so many have stated. Sometimes you need to go back to the basics to get stuff right, and drum/discs are basic.





 
GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 12:29 AM - Post#253428    
    In response to 95SilveradoC1500

Quote:

Secondly, GM and Chevy Dealers. If you know that there is a manufacturing defect in the vehicle, let the customer know




There is definitely a problem with the clip that holds the parking brake shoes. It allows the shoes to contact the drum, wearing out the shoes even if you've never used the parking brake. Then when you try to use it, it barely holds if at all. It seems unlikely someone could drive very far with the parking brake on to cause this problem. You'd have to be blind AND deaf. That dinging and light flashing would get anyone's attention.

This is an easy fix and a properly working parking brake on these trucks works just fine. I can apply one, put it in gear and give it a good amount of throttle and the truck will not move at all.

.


 
BauhausNova 
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Loc: Arizona
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-12-04 02:04 AM - Post#253429    
    In response to GM-Tech

Having replaced several sets of 1500 parking brake bands on the GMT800; unless I am missing something here: there is NO way to adjust the parking brakes on those trucks without removing the rotors

1965 Chevy Impala Sedan.........soon.


 
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