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Username Post: Please test your parking brake.        (Topic#37711)
dcarey 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
07-15-03 02:47 AM - Post#253370    
    In response to GM-Tech

GM-Tech, if your boss man is telling you to spend more on "goodwill", I'd be happy to drop by and you could spend all you want on my rig! I took my truck in a couple times for warrenty work at a RIVAL dealership from were I bought it. Professional, courtious, service. Never had a problem.

Dave 2005 5.3 Reg Cab Shortbed 4x4


 
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GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
07-15-03 06:19 AM - Post#253371    
    In response to dcarey

Well then, if you found a good store that takes care of your needs, you don't need me! But you're welcome to come by anytime.

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toolbox 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
07-16-03 04:55 AM - Post#253372    
    In response to aservicemanager

My 99 SIlverado broke the parking brake cable when I was applying the brake after parking. Is this common with these trucks?

'82 C-10 SWB 350/350


 
GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
07-16-03 10:53 AM - Post#253373    
    In response to toolbox

I have never seen a broken parking brake cable, but then we're not in the "rust belt" area of the country. And it doesn't appear you are either.

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LASilverado 
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Loc: Louisiana
Reg: 07-18-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
07-21-03 08:23 AM - Post#253374    
    In response to jefro

Just letting you know I have had a problem with a 2000 chevy tahoe, however it was a previous owners neglect. She must have rode down the road with parking brake on and the parking brake pads were worn very badly. A few local mechanic shops I called around town (Lake Charles, LA) said that they have never heard of this problem with faulty parking brakes.
Dustin



 
ExaTorq 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
07-21-03 08:51 AM - Post#253375    
    In response to LASilverado

In reply to:

A few local mechanic shops I called around town (Lake Charles, LA) said that they have never heard of this problem with faulty parking brakes.




I've had premature parking brake shoe wear on both an '01 Tahoe and an '02 Silverado. Both times, the dealer replaced the shoes, clips, and adjusted the brake so it acts like a parking brake should (tension when you push down on it).

I believe all this nonsense about parking brakes going to the floor as "normal" is just that, nonsense. Anybody who believes a parking brake that sinks to the floor is "normal" is simply fooling themselves. The '01 couldn't even hold itself on a small rearward incline when shifting from park to drive without some throttle. The '02 was barely functional.

GM *has* acknowledged premature parking brake shoe wear as a factory problem, and *will* repair it under warranty. I just can't understand how some GM service shops stay in business by turning down every warranty repair they possibly can.

Brian '03 Tahoe 5.3L FFV/ Wester's 89/91 tune / Outlaw CAI


 
tibbitts 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
07-23-03 04:03 PM - Post#253376    
    In response to jefro

Wanted everyone to know that the servicing dealer contacted us and is going to refund the money we paid for the parking brake repair ($212). This repair was done at 37k miles, after the 36/36 warranty ran out, but before our GM certified used vehicle (39/39) warranty expired.

As I understand it, this is the dealer wanting to satisfy us, not a GM decision.

We now feel that we're being treated fairly, and will now be likely to return either of our Chevy vehicles to this dealer when repairs are required.

Of course the basic issue of the original design remains, and we still feel GM should be fixing all these inoperative parking brakes.

Paul



 
Atech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-01-03 03:39 PM - Post#253377    
    In response to tibbitts

Well I have read this topic and I need to respond to some things that I have read here!!

1. To the people you quoted state inspection laws! Yes I know the laws I am a state inspector in PA, you are using laws written in the 1950's for inspections. You are quoting one part of the laws but missing other parts of the laws! It is up to the inspector to decide if it is safe or not! The manufacturer overrides all state safety laws!! In PA if your tail pipe does not go past the body-line it fails but show me one car that was built and does go past the body line! Don't cite ones that have been replaced or changed! I can fail a truck on SI if it is missing the tailgate or rear bumper unless GM built and sold it that way!

2. Go ahead and file a class action lawsuit! Do you think GM will lose any money? I cite the lawsuit over the gas tanks. GM lost that suit their punishment wa they had to send all truck owner in the lawsuit a coupon go for 1000 dollars towards there next purchase of a GM! What did GM lose! They got to sell you a new truck or you never used your coupon!

3. Its a truck not a Lexus! This truck is built for working not for driving around and wanting it to feel like your Caddillac!!

4. Some customers I am not saying you, have unreal expectations when it comes to their truck. Some people can never be pleased no matter how hard you try! Once the owner is convinced their is a problem with his truck no matter what we do it is still a problem!! If we take you in 10 other trucks and they do the same thing what makes you think that you have a problem?

5. We didn't build them, design them or engineer them! It is not the dealer's fault we have to figure out how to fix them! Why must you blame the dealer when you don't like your truck?

6. Instead of complaining about the truck trade it in on another truck! Wouldn't this send a message to GM when no one is buying the trucks?



 
Atech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-01-03 03:52 PM - Post#253378    
    In response to Atech

Forgot this!

About the dealers using the goodwill policy adjustment for out of warranty repairs! It is called GOODWILL to reward loyal GM customers. Not someone who only comes in for warranty work once a year! Yes we do other work besides warranty work. It is our way of rewards the loyal customers!!

Do you know you can attract more bees with honey? Try being nice and polite instead of mean nasty and yelling at us! We tend not to do 150% for you this way! We only have to do 100% we don't need to bend over backwards to please you if you are screaming at us!! If you go somewhere and start screaming, ranting and raving they have the right to refuse to work on your truck and ask you to leave! Wouldn't it be in your best interest To be nice?



 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-01-03 04:37 PM - Post#253379    
    In response to Atech

Well, the only thing one can remotely take away from that post is "the so called state inspector can be subjective" one could only hope... Go figure.
Anyway, we are talking parking brakes here... Whether a Lexus, Cadillac, Toyota, Ford, School bus, Crane, Aircraft, the list could go on and on.... When you set the parking brake the - "fill in the blank" - does not move/roll. Many of us GM truck owners don't have that "luxury". Now, common sense tells me state inspection laws are not equal, some states like MT don't even require inspections - thus its not a federal requirement. So, when my TX inspector writes me up for an inop parking brake I will be sure to "attempt" to inform him that GM designed it that way thus its not a discrepency... I'm sure he will reconsider after those words of wisdom...
Inop parking brake, Piston slap - it just doesn't matter. You could take me to every truck in the lot, all their parking brakes may not hold or all engines may knock. Should that be telling me I don't have a problem or should it be telling GM they do?? (your probably not the person I would ask that question - though most honest reps I know would say GM!) These issues are not rocket science - I was a GM mechanic for 8 years, neither issue is/are "normal", then or now..



 
Atech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-02-03 03:08 PM - Post#253380    
    In response to

Mechanic is a broad term!! What kind of work did you do? Not all mechanics are equal such as having
"A" tech
"B" tech
"C" tech
"D" tech
"LUBE" tech

Which one where you?

Just remember you have state DOT and you have Federal DOT!
Cars and trucks are built to federal guidelines not the state and thus override the state laws!!

I didn't say that I liked the way the parking brake works but I have no control over it and I cannot redesign it! I am an mechanic not an engineer! Don't take it out on the dealership, the techs it is not our fault!! Your problems lie with GM we are doing our jobs the best we can with what we have!!



 
tibbitts 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-02-03 03:38 PM - Post#253381    
    In response to Atech

Atech,

I'm not sure if you were responding to my post specifically, but as I said I'll be satisfied with my dealer, assuming the promised check eventually shows up. I was never really unhappy with the dealer, just with GM policies.

I don't see the cadillac comparison - every car should have a parking brake that holds the vehicle. It's not a luxury.

I am not a professional mechanic or inspector, but doubt that inspectors have that much leeway. They might be able to disqualify a car for something not covered by the regs, but I doubt they have authority to "ok" a car that violates the regulations. I do believe that state laws can supercede federal laws, as those who in the past have attempted to buy and/or register "49 state" vehicles in California have discovered.

Paul



 
97_cHeVy 
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Loc: Texas Hill Country
Reg: 01-02-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-02-03 04:00 PM - Post#253382    
    In response to tibbitts

umm...to alieviate some of the obivious tension that has come about in these posts id like to ask one question to lighten the mood: how many times has the word brake been used here?!?! Parking break, emergency brake, primary brake...jeez guys GIVE ME A BREAK!!! lol


Ben

2001 Chevy 2500HD 4x4 8.1/Ally
2004 Ford F250 6.0 PSD

Ben


 
GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-02-03 05:41 PM - Post#253383    
    In response to tibbitts

In reply to:

Wanted everyone to know that the servicing dealer contacted us and is going to refund the money we paid for the parking brake repair




Glad to hear that, Paul. It's definitely something you should not have been charged for.

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GM-Tech 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
08-02-03 05:52 PM - Post#253384    
    In response to Atech

In reply to:

Well I have read this topic and I need to respond to some things that I have read here!!




I think you're taking this too personally. I don't recall anyone here blaming the techs working on the vehicle, just the design.

If you work for a chevy store, you and I both know that there have been problems with the parking brake on the C/K trucks. Can it be fixed? Absolutely, without a doubt. I know for a fact I can take any one of these trucks and repair the parking brake so that it will hold the truck securely on an incline without moving. Will it last? That's something I have no control over.

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jefro 
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Loc: Texas
Reg: 06-18-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
09-03-03 07:40 AM - Post#253385    
    In response to Mr_Goodwrench

Finally encouraged the dealer to refund our costs on the E-brake. The service writer did admit that it might be a recall and the district would approve repairing it.
The main problem is that I send my wife in and told here to have it fixed on a prior service, they claimed it was OK. Shame I have to go there and tell them how to fix stuff.

Yes, I do expect that the E-brake will slow the truck down at 70 miles an hour. Sure when we were kids we did it on the streets for fun and I can't imagine why it could have changed in 30 years.

Yes, I do expect that SAFETY be enforced more. I went to the funeral of a 12 year old because of lack of safety a few weeks ago. Tell me how you can undo that? Just don't think safety you need to do it!



 
dcarey 
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Loc: Mineral, VA
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
09-03-03 08:29 AM - Post#253386    
    In response to jefro

I put my parking/emergency brake to the floor (cause it goes there), and it holds the vehicle prefectly still (1000 RPMs). I haven't tried it above that. If your brake ain't holding, nobody could convince me that it is normal.I certainly couldn't convince Mr. Virginia state vehicle inspector either!

Dave 2005 5.3 Reg Cab Shortbed 4x4


 
Alex D 
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Loc: Central Iowa
Reg: 09-05-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
09-05-03 09:41 AM - Post#253387    
    In response to Squasher

Suburbans are made in Mexico or Janesville, Wisconsin
Quote:

Where is the Suburban made? My truck has a Union sticker from the U.S., but I can't remember which state






 
techteam 
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Reg: 09-10-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
09-10-03 11:28 AM - Post#253388    
    In response to jefro

I would be for this also. I just had to pay over $300 to have mine replaced. It has only been used TWICE. BOTH times when the dealer performed the inspection! Nobody drives my truck and I had never pressed it. It simply failed and they admitted they have had ALOT of them on a 2000 Silverado



 
techteam 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
09-10-03 11:33 AM - Post#253389    
    In response to John

After reading the service managers here..it has me wondering if the dealer doing the inspection is not the one who broke the brake? As part of the inspection I watched them put the vehicle in drive with the brake one, put it in drive and give it gas to see if it moves. This sounds like something that you would not want to do and something it was NOT designed to do? Am I missing something?



 
dcarey 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
09-10-03 11:47 AM - Post#253390    
    In response to techteam

Techetam. Since most inspection stations do not have gravity boxes, trailers or inclines to test them on, how exactly are they supposed to know if the parking/emergency brake will hold under any sort of load. This is why it is common practice to engage the brake and gun it to make sure it holds. It's the only means avaliable to them.

Dave 2005 5.3 Reg Cab Shortbed 4x4


 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
11-22-03 05:59 AM - Post#253391    
    In response to dcarey

Just tested my parking brake in my 2001 Tahoe. It doesn't work. Here is Virginia inspection law related to the parking brake.
http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+reg+19VAC30-70-90



 
ExaTorq 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
11-22-03 03:56 PM - Post#253392    
    In response to

We had a non-working parking brake on our '01 Tahoe as well...took it in to the dealer, they fixed it, no problem. Something to do with a retaining clip that caused premature wear on the e-brake shoes.

There must be some real shady GM service shops out there. I can't believe these people could look someone straight in the eye and tell them an e-brake pedal that sinks to the floor is "normal".

Take it up with the zone office...

Brian '03 Tahoe 5.3L FFV/ Wester's 89/91 tune / Outlaw CAI


 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
11-23-03 04:56 PM - Post#253393    
    In response to jefro

When I bought my '99 silverado new the parking brake did not work well at all. I took almost no foot pressure to push the pedal to the floor. Since I hardly ever use the parking brake I left it that way until about 60,000 miles. Then I discovered it didn't work at all. Took it to a dealership and he wanted $$$$ to replace both rear rotors as the e-brake portion was worn badly. The mechanic told me aside there were many problems similar to mine and Chevrolet was changing the design. Without mentioning the mechanic I screamed at the service manager that I might have been hurt or worse and demanded that Chevrolet foot the bill. It worked, no charge to me and also a free rental car for 2 days. The new brakes feel much more solid when pushed on, a big difference. Rich

mmm


 
jmchevy 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
11-23-03 06:15 PM - Post#253394    
    In response to jefro

The parking brake on my 02 doesnt feel like my old cars, but it does hold my truck when applied. Im not one to use a parking brake often, in fact I never set it when parked level in any of my vehicles (all are automatics). I did learn a long time ago about "torque lock", while working at a gas station, more than once I had to help somebody parked on an incline with just the parking pawl holding. Luckily though, Ive never had to touch the parking brake while driving, in fact in 25 years of driving my only brake failure was years ago on a 70 C-10 when a rusty brake line let go. I still had enough brake to stop, thank God for 2 part master cylinders.
I agree with the techs, in my experiance Ive done alot better at local dealerships by not losing my cool. I am the parts room manager in a company owned service garage, so I I can see both sides. Ive seen my share of 'customers' that complain no matter what we do or how much we try to help. Ive seen mechanics called stupid, and much worse. And this is dealing with their company vehicles, Id hate to have to service their private ones. Ive been mad myself when dealing with garages, especially when I take a vehicle to them and it doesnt get fixed the first time. But remember techs are human too. Breakdowns are frustrating, but that goes along with owning an automobile. Man has yet to build one that doesnt break down sometime or another, foreign or domestic. Just too many moving parts and electronics to fail. And, like some of you, I have found that some dealers are more helpful than others at getting things done. One of our 2 local Chevy dealers always follow a service with a phone call to see if their customers are satisfied.(guess which one I go to) If anything wasnt right I dont fail to tell them, and they seem to be concerned. I guess Ive been lucky, never had a major problems or complaints. Just my 2 cents.

02 Silverado Z71 87 El Camino


 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
11-24-03 03:29 PM - Post#253395    
    In response to jmchevy

I happen to work for the company that makes the pedal and cables for the Silverados, Tahoes, Suburbans, etc. Hopefully I can clear up a few questions.

First off, cars and trucks are designed to the federal standard FMVSS135. This states that a vehicle must hold on a 20 percent grade (about 17 degrees) with the trans in neutral with a pedal effort of less than 112 pounds. This is also done at max GVW.

This test is done without the help of the service brake. Also notice that there is no travel requirement. The Silverado holds on a 20 percent with 45-50 pounds of pedal force. It takes about 60-65 pounds to put the pedal to the floor. While this is much lighter than other vehicles, this is how the system is designed.

I am not sure about the wear of the drum-in-hat shoes though. It sounds like there may be a problem there.

While these are "self adjust" parking brake systems (meaning that the pedal has a spring in it to keep the cables tensioned), the rear cables can be adjusted. If you look in front of the left rear tire, you will see a threaded rod on the cables. This can be tightened to increase the pedal load. Be sure not to over tighten this or you will cause brake drag. Make sure that the tires will still rotate freely.

Enough babbling for now. If anyone has any questions about this parking brake system, let me know and I should be able to help you out.




 
couple goats 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
02-28-04 01:01 PM - Post#253396    
    In response to jefro

Yes , I have some questions, thank you. I just bought a "00 Suburban.

I load the GTO on the trailer with the parking brake on and the trans in neutral, so I really NEED the parking brake to work. From what read on this thread I can replace the pads and clip and all is fine...or no? If that's all it is then I'll go through the extra maintainance.....I should get faster each time right?

Also, I've searched for the vibration problem and not found much. ( I am challenged sometimes though!) Steady vib at highway speeds...what's the fix? I've read alot of complaining, not much on curing. I just want it to run right...how do I fix it?
Thanks much, Bill



 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
02-28-04 08:00 PM - Post#253397    
    In response to couple goats

I still have to say that the expectations for some owners here are high. I know its been said, but being the person I am, i will say it again. If you expect the P brake to bring you to a stop from 60 mph, good luck, and I will see you at the wrecking yard after your truck hits the center median.

The Parking Brake is meant to hold the vehicle in place while PARKED. Im glad that we have gotten past that phase.

Put your truck in Drive, apply the P Brake...and relase your normal brakes. If the truck doesnt move, good. Give it little gas, and it shouldnt move. If it doesnt, Great. Your parking brake is working fine.

Should your normal brakes fail (which shouldnt happen if you keep up the maintence), downshift as much as you can, and let the parking brake finsh the job. That is all its basically meant for.



 
Ryan 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
02-29-04 03:15 AM - Post#253398    
    In response to 95SilveradoC1500

well said



 
Ta Hoe 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
03-01-04 04:28 AM - Post#253399    
    In response to jefro

I have a '00 Tahoe and an '03 Suburban, I have noticed their emergency breaks need to be adjusted, but I have never had an issue. My dealer just does it when I have it in for oil changes.



 
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