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Username Post: Please test your parking brake.        (Topic#37711)
jefro 
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06-22-03 04:36 PM - Post#253310    

I am considering starting a class action lawsuit against GM and the Chevrolet Motor Division. It is my opinion that the Parking brake design is defective. It is a required safety item. It can't be relied upon to stop the vehicle in case the main brake system fails. It is impossible to tell when they will fail until they do because of their so called little lady design. Further GM knows of the early failure and is not issuing a recall.

How many owners have used and tested their parking brake?
How many owners have had to repair these?

Any thoughts?



 
jgrimmy 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-22-03 10:06 PM - Post#253311    
    In response to jefro

I have had 3 99-03 Silverados and all worked fine, I haven't had to repair a single one in my service dept either.

Whats the problem you are having?

John
Service manager/advisor
Chevy dealer

Project Rust Bucket, 57 2dr HT Updated 10/16/06 1955 210 4 dr sdn 1953 210 4 dr sdn 05 Z71 Silverado


 
Akamatsu 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 10:27 AM - Post#253312    
    In response to jefro

In reply to:

How many owners have used and tested their parking brake?
How many owners have had to repair these?




I'll play on this level. I have an '00 that the parking brake does not work. May just need adjustment, I am awaiting some more information on another post in here.




 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 12:32 PM - Post#253313    
    In response to Akamatsu

I have a 00 GMC Ext Cab, and the emergency brake has never worked like it should. I've had it adjusted, but it will only last a couple months.



 
Razoo 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 12:40 PM - Post#253314    
    In response to jefro

Mine doesn't work well at all. With the engine running, and the trans in drive, with the E-brake fully applied, if I take my foot off the service brake, the truck creeps forward at about the same rate as without the e-brake applied.

Thanks,
Razoo.
A really swell guy from Warren Harding High!


 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 01:51 PM - Post#253315    
    In response to Razoo

I agree,
Mine hardly held when new and currently will easily role when applied. It's on my list for the never ending "warranty work" on the next service visit.
Cars/trucks will all have problems but my 2001 Z71 Sub takes the "Gold" for trips to the service dept. In the past 7 years besides GM vehicles, I have owned a Toyota 4-Runner, Nissan Maxima, and a Honda Civic Si - all from new. In 50K miles the 4w-drive Toyota went to the dealer twice, once for a minor warranty adjustment and the other a recall - both items fixed well and it never went back. The Maxima saw the dealer once for a minor rattle fix. And currently at exactly 49.5K miles my Civic Si has never seen nor required a service dept. None of these three vehicles ever had/have an engine noise, burned oil, vibrated, or had issues claimed to be "normal characteristics" like my current GM vehicles. This isn't hear-say, this is undeniable proof/truth. I love my Sub for what it is, and nothing "foreign" can compare, but all this makes me wish it was built/manufactured by you-know-who......

Come on GM, get your act together....

Smitty



 
Ponchonutty455SD 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 03:36 PM - Post#253316    
    In response to

Your "foreign" cars ARE built in the USA!!! The Suburban is not!!!!!!!

2001 LS Ext. Cab 4x4 Indigo Blue Silverado 2002 Jeep Liberty Limited 4x4 Shale Green Met.


 
Squasher 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 05:29 PM - Post#253317    
    In response to Ponchonutty455SD

Where is the Suburban made? My truck has a Union sticker from the U.S., but I can't remember which state

2001 GMC Sierra K1500 Z71 x/cab SLT 5.3L


 
Squasher 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 05:33 PM - Post#253318    
    In response to jefro

My parking brake doesn't work, but they wont fix it under warrenty . They say it's a "wear" item like tires, oil, shocks, etc

2001 GMC Sierra K1500 Z71 x/cab SLT 5.3L


 
BOWTIE_3 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-24-03 05:51 PM - Post#253319    
    In response to Squasher

Many of the Tahoes and Suburbans are assembled in Mexico! Take a look on the end of the door and it will say where. That's why GM can sell them for ONLY $46,000-$48,000. Also all of the Avalanches are assembled in Mexico. It figures! Why is it that Japanese vehicles assembled in the US have a much higher quality-control record than the domestic vehicles assembled here? Oh that's right, they're NOT UAW members!



 
Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-25-03 12:55 PM - Post#253320    
    In response to Ponchonutty455SD

Poncho, you are correct - my sub was built in Mexico and most domestic purchased "Japanese" cars are built in the good old USA. Although, its not the place they are built that determines the quality. It comes down to the entire manufacturing, engineering, and quality "process", and these processes/procedures are mandated by the parenting company, in this case - from Japan etc. They may be built in the US but the way they are built ie quality control/product assurance is run/mandated by company members other than American directors,managers, or supervisors. The American production facilities run via Japanese "control", or the relationship would dissolve.
I also look at the fact that the issues I am experience with my Sub have nothing to do with who built it, but rather with the quality of the components/engineering its built with/from.....
Just my 2 cents.


Smitty




 
aservicemanager 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-27-03 07:57 PM - Post#253321    
    In response to jefro

1st let me say hello. I have read posts here as a guest before, but untill now I had decided not ot post. My reason for reading is to make me better at my job by knowing what's going on.

OK, Y now ? Well, it's because of every service manager's biggest frustration. When customer's dont read their owner's manual, then blame the product when they either dont understand, or "it doesn't work like my..." (just insert whatever vehicle they used to drive). Believe me, frustrating is putting it mildly. Now, hold on, dont get mad, I know that most people dont read the assembly instructions on their Christmas gifts before they put them together...Be honest, how many of you have actually read the owner's manual ?

That leads us to the 1st source of confusion...the PARKing Brake is in no way, shape or form intended to be an EMERGENCY BRAKE like the deal that allowed Starsky and Hutch to do a Batman turn without changing lanes. Here is the 1st of several quotes from YOUR OWNERS MANUAL to hopefully help to clear things up...

In reply to:

Braking in Emergencies
With anti-lock, you can steer and brake at the same time. In many emergencies, steering can help you more than even the very best braking.






In reply to:

Parking Brake
To set the parking brake, hold the regular brake pedal down with your right foot. Push down the parking brake pedal with your left foot.

A chime will activate and the warning light will flash when the parking brake is applied and the vehicle is moving at least 3 mph (5 km/h) for at least three seconds.

To release the parking brake, hold the regular brake pedal down. Pull the bottom edge of the lever, located above the parking brake pedal, with the parking brake symbol, to release the parking brake.

If the ignition is on when the parking brake is released, the brake system warning light will go off.


Notice
Driving with the parking brake on can overheat the brake system and cause premature wear or damage to brake system parts. Verify that the parking brake is fully released and the brake warning light is off before driving.






I can tell U from personal experience that when I see p/u's with this concern, it usually stems from driving away with the park brake still aplied. It doesnt take much. The main function of the PARKing Brake is to take the pressure off of the Parking pawl inside the transmission that holds the vehicle in place when you shift into, that's right, PARK !

The parking brake's intent is not to keep your vehicle from rolling away, that's the transmission's job.

I hope this has been helpful insight, I promise it is not meant to be nasty or insulting.

Sincerely,

a Chevy dealer Service Manager !



 
jgrimmy 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-27-03 09:34 PM - Post#253322    
    In response to aservicemanager

Very very well put.

John
Service manager/advisor
Chevy dealer

Project Rust Bucket, 57 2dr HT Updated 10/16/06 1955 210 4 dr sdn 1953 210 4 dr sdn 05 Z71 Silverado


 
John 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 03:45 AM - Post#253323    
    In response to aservicemanager

In reply to:

The parking brake's intent is not to keep your vehicle from rolling away, that's the transmission's job.




First, welcome to ChevyTalk! Don't take this wrong, but if the parking brake isn't designed to keep your truck from rolling away - what is it there for? If putting the tranny in "Park" is the only thing designed to keep the truck from rolling away - what is the PARKing brake for? To beep when the truck's going 3 mph??? For who? Who's in the truck?

The frustration goes both ways.

Again, welcome to Chevytalk.



1979 2wd K5 Blazer, 350/TH350
1985 4x4 M1009 K5 Blazer, 6.2/TH400


 
aservicemanager 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 07:59 AM - Post#253324    
    In response to John

Basically, the parking pawl is a 1/2" thick "L" shaped arm that is engaged into a large outer sprocket on a gear in the trans. If you park on a hill, ALL of the weight of the vehicle, intensified by God's gift of gravity, is on that poor little parking pawl. The park brake just helps reduce the pressure on that part.

I had many customers on several different model lines comment that the vehicle shakes or idles very rough when shifted to park on a slight incline/decline. I have actually taken these customer to a small hill behind our shop, shifted to park and duplicated their exact concern, "You see what I mean, that's what I'm talking about !" they say to me. Then I start over again on the hill, but apply park brake 1st, then shifted to park, and VIOLA ! no vibration. Would a picture of the parking pawl help, I'll try to find 1. It's really about the consumers not realizing that with all the technology changes to vehicles over the years, the 1 area that has mostly stayed consistent in feel and operation is the braking system. The 1st major change was with the introduction of ABS. I can't tell you how many customer satisfaction issues I dealt with, just because they did not fully understand. When I took the time to explain function and operation, the customers, most of the time, would look at me like, now that makes sense, how come nobody explained it that way before ? The parking brake is the same kind of thing. Time to change !!

John, BTW, the beeping thing is for when U R in the vehicle and U drive off into the wild blue yonder and have not released the park brake yet. That's about it.



 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 08:29 AM - Post#253325    
    In response to John



They are surprisingly durable---ya know when the town drunk goes pulling up to the store----rolling about 5 mph and he throws it in Park---and goes slap-slap-slap-slap-----bang, then the car lunges back and forth about six inches, for what seems like ten minutes????? The tip of the pawl has finally engaged into a tooth in the ring. Of course---I have also seem quite a bit of this related to our better smelling cohorts in life!!!!

Park on a hill without setting the brake first, have a hard time getting it out of park??? That tip of the pawl is wedged by weight against a tooth---I bet the people in SanFran know how to do it, or just pull into a curb I guess



 
John 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 10:00 AM - Post#253326    
    In response to aservicemanager

In reply to:

I had many customers on several different model lines comment that the vehicle shakes or idles very rough when shifted to park on a slight incline/decline.




That's funny, because I actually had this example in my reply and took it out before I posted. In 1988 I moved into an apartment where the only place I could park was on a hill, the truck was a 1983 K-5 Silverado, 305/TH700R4. I knew better than to park daily and let the tranny hold the truck. I would: 1- come to a complete stop and put the tranny in neutral 2- engage the parking brake and release the service brakes to make sure the parking brake was set properly and holding the truck, then 3- put the tranny into Park. The transmission was never in a bind and always shifted smoothly into gear whenever I was leaving.

The problem is, the parking brake doesn't work period, at least according to several members who have responded to this thread and two other threads regarding the parking brake. If they were to try the procedure for parking on a hill I described above, they wouldn't get past step 2 because the parking brake won't hold the truck.

I don't have the problem because I traded my Silverado for a 99 C/K truck. My parking brake works, I set it everytime I'm on a boat ramp and it will hold the truck and boat on a hill. And I don't need a chime to tell me it's set because I can't drive away with it set. I don't think it's asking too much to expect the parking brake to have the same life expectancy and holding power it's had on previous GM products. Nevermind the low-effort pedal, as long as it works. From what I'm reading here, it doesn't last long and stops working period.

1979 2wd K5 Blazer, 350/TH350
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tibbitts 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 10:35 AM - Post#253327    
    In response to jefro

Bought GM Certified Used silverado 1500 2000 11/3/03 at GM dealer. Parking brake did not hold truck. Dealer insisted "normal". Got a (still) new 2002 on lot, set brake to demonstrate how it is supposed to work. Dealer adjusted reluctantly (no charge - warranty).

7k miles later, brake barely holding. Holds truck but not on steep grade, will not hold truck+trailer on any grade. Back to dealer, still on GM Certified bumper-to-bumper warranty (39mo, 39k) - but must pay $212 for new shoes + labor. Appeal to GM dismissed.

Shoes are used by parking brake only and should NEVER wear unless you use parking brake to stop vehicle while moving. GM acknowledges this but since shoes in general are considered wear item (from the old days, when they were) they will not be replaced under warranty (at least for us).

I think most of these trucks have inoperative parking brake but nobody uses it or cares but a few of us.

If a mostly-theoretical floppy disk read/write problem can justify a settlement in a class action suit (for me reduced the price of a new computer by about 50% - see http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,13541,00.asp) then surely a class action suit based on this problem would seem promising. Don't count on 50% of the price of a new truck, however - unless you are a lawyer of course in which case you should make millions on this. I hate to resort to lawsuite, which are way overdone (being burned by hot coffee, etc.) but in this case I think this is a safety issue AND A design defect issue and it is warranted.

Incidentally we had never driven the vehicle with the brake on to make the chime go off, but now with the new brake pads we are periodically using the parking brake to actually stop the vehicle while moving. Since NOT using it obviously does not extend its life we are hoping that using it for actual braking will.

Having been involved in an accident (not in this vehicle) that resulted directly from a master cylinder failure, I prefer the parking brake to actually work like an emergency brake,which it has on every other vehicle I have owned.

Paul



 
Mr_Goodwrench 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 10:37 AM - Post#253328    
    In response to John

JWM, you are correct, if the lining wears out, it will loose its ability to hold. Some factors can facilitate pre-mature wear such as lack of use, driving with the park brake on, allowing mud and debris to build-up inside the rotor, etc...

Jefro's problem is that he expects to be able to STOP the vehicle from highway speeds, which is NOT the intended use of that system. Notice its not called an "emergency brake" any more, its a PARKING BRAKE used for PARKING the vehicle.

I'm really curious how a wear item like parking brake shoes would qualify for a lawsuit for being "defective" for merely wearing, like parts of that nature often do.

GM "World Class" Technician ASE Master Auto Technician w/ Advanced Level (L1) ASE Certified Truck Technician


 
tibbitts 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 10:54 AM - Post#253329    
    In response to Mr_Goodwrench

The problem isn't with it wearing out along with the pads, it's the nonsense of having replacements or adjustments every few-K miles. in order to hold the max GCVW on a hill. As the TSB states, PREMATURE wear is occurring. While I would argue these things should almost never wear out, changing them at the time the rear pads wear would be ok (especially if somebody other than GM made the parts and thus they cheaper than the $80 or so for the GM shoes.)

Other rear-disc vehicles I've had have not experienced this problem, but I admit I have limited experience (1 car) with them. Do other rear-discs have parking brakes that cease functioning in the same 5k+ range? We might not know since almost nobody else I know actually uses the parking brake.

Assuming the brake is used as intended (regularly for parking only), what can an operator do to extend the life of the brake and brake adjustment to approximately match the pad life? I don't mean a mechanic, just an ordinary vehicle operator. I don't see this being a part that is meant to be cleaned or maintained by the operator, and more than the disc pads are.

Paul



 
jefro 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 12:15 PM - Post#253330    
    In response to tibbitts

This is the Chevy service talk(BS) from so called pro's that [censored]'s me off. Maybe you "Old Wheezers" ought to get out to actual work room floor and ask the real pro's.

The Parking Brake MUST by state law hold the vehicle. It must hold if you have an AT or Standard tranny. It is a safety part.


Now try and follow this cause I will say it again.

If it goes to the floor don't tell me it is ok. If my main brake went to the floor (it almost does that too) then that would be bad. Don't even start to say that is OK as long as it hold you (blank).

Don't tell me it is OK because it would be better to dodge an accident. I need it to put my boat in the water. It must hold in my neighborhood with children around.

Now, after being a fleet mechanic and driving for over 30 year's I have yet to have an E-Brake go out from normal use. It should last more than 3,000 miles and maintain an ability to determine if it will work. You might be right though, my #12 jethro boots might be the problem. Maybe I didn't see the flashing "brake" light and burned out the pads? Sure, maybe I didn't press the main brake when I set the parking brake too. Pfsst!

What a poor example of an owners manual too. It the old days with drum brakes one would set the Parking Brake. The point was then that you would expand both shoes out as far as the slave would push to assist "Setting" the E-Brake. What bonehead didn't see that error? Come on, this is a disk with a hat secondary.

That is OK. We are going to court on this.

TO OTHER OWNERS. PLEASE CHECK AND " TEST YOUR E-BRAKE AND HAVE IT FIXED BY A DEALER THAT CARES ABOUT SAFETY.



 
aservicemanager 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 01:17 PM - Post#253331    
    In response to jefro

I tried, NEVERMIND !!

Mr GoodWrench, U were right !!



 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 05:43 PM - Post#253332    
    In response to jefro

A properly operating parking brake on a Silverado WILL hold the vehicle securely. If I get in one and apply the parking brake, I can put it in gear and accelerate and it will keep the vheicle from moving unless I really nail the gas. I believe the federal spec is that it must keep the vehicle from moving on a 15 degree incline (no acceleration force applied).

There is a TSB on premature wear caused by a clip that poorly secures the shoes, allowing them to rub against the drum in hat while not applied (and rattle over bumps). I have repaired numerous Silverado's for this problem and we always do it as a warranty repair.

Yes, the pedal DOES go much lower on these than what we're all accustomed to but that IS how it is designed. The following is from a TSB on this "feature"...

"The vehicles indicated above have a "low effort" parking brake apply system. The design intent is that a low force on the park brake pedal will effectively apply the park brake. This was done so all operators can easily apply the park brake sufficiently to maintain the vehicle in a stationary position on an incline.

Owners should not interpret this low pedal effort as an indication of system effectiveness."

Using the parking brake to stop the vehicle while driving is, well, silly. That's not its designed purpose nor is that a requirement of the federal safety standards.

.


 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 05:50 PM - Post#253333    
    In response to GM-Tech

In reply to:

There is a TSB on premature wear caused by a clip that poorly secures the shoes, allowing them to rub against the drum in hat while not applied (and rattle over bumps). I have repaired numerous Silverado's for this problem and we always do it as a warranty repair.




Can you post the TSB number? Welcome to ChevyTalk!

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tibbitts 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 07:07 PM - Post#253334    
    In response to John

We had the clip / premature wear tsb in hand, it was still not allowed as a warranty repair. TSB 02-05-26-002.

Paul



 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 08:38 PM - Post#253335    
    In response to jefro

In reply to:

This is the Chevy service talk(BS) from so called pro's that [censored]'s me off. Maybe you "Old Wheezers" ought to get out to actual work room floor and ask the real pro's.

The Parking Brake MUST by state law hold the vehicle. It must hold if you have an AT or Standard tranny. It is a safety part.






Where have you found this law? I know of no federal law regarding this. Please post your source.

The last bastion of a scoundrel is personal attacks! Calling the people who have resonded to this post "Old Wheezers" is ridiculous! I am on the service floor every day of the week, and I know others who have responded are also.

Good luck in court, I hope your not embarassed easily.

John



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tibbitts 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-28-03 08:49 PM - Post#253336    
    In response to jgrimmy

Parking brake function - had to hold the car - used to be part of our annual required state vehicle safety inspection. Many people had rust-frozen cables and had to pay to have them repaired. Where I live now they used to inpect it but now inspection has been dropped altogether.

Court is too $ unless somebody will do class action. We have filed BBB complaint per GM owner's manual, will see what happens. Have never tried it before.

Regarding earlier posts, I am just guessing that using the brake to stop the truck while it is moving might clean off some of the "debris" that experts here claim is one cause of the problem. If using it as intended (parking only) for 5k miles results in it failing to hold, what can a little use do that is worse????

Paul



 
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Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-29-03 03:08 AM - Post#253337    
    In response to jefro

jefro - I know issues such as this one tend to get feathers ruffled. But the rules here apply to mad members as well as the rest.

In reply to:

This is the Chevy service talk(BS) from so called pro's that [censored]'s me off. Maybe you "Old Wheezers" ought to get out to actual work room floor and ask the real pro's.




1. Personal attacks are not allowed, period.
2. Profanity is not allowed. Period. Don't use it in my forum. Personally, I don't even like seeing "censored" in my forum because you can still read the post and see what was filtered out.
3. ChevyTalk will not be the launching point for any class action lawsuit against anyone. This has been tried before here, the site administrators frown on it and squash it.

I understand your frustration first hand. I still have notes in my filing cabinet from 2 years ago when I thought I was going to have to sue my local dealer, and told them so. I got what I wanted, but I've never thrown the notes away. This was over a new 99 4.8 4x4. The day it was resolved, I traded for the crew cab you see in my avatar. So yes, I've been through it and know how mad you can get.

But I think you've got a loser here. If the parking brake has been redesigned such that it has separate pads from the service brake pads, and they wear out way faster than anyone could imagine... well, it's a wear item and it's the owners responsibility to maintain wear items. Thank you, GM. But nonetheless true.

Changing brake pads is pretty easy, I'd learn how to do it (if you don't already know how) and let it go. But that's just me. Good luck with it.




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Anonymous 

Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-29-03 04:01 AM - Post#253338    
    In response to Mr_Goodwrench

In trying not to sound too sarcastic,
every vehicle I have owned in the last 10 years has called "this item" on the vehicle a "parking brake". Stop focusing on the fact that someone called it an emergency brake and discussed using it to stop the vehicle during primary brake failure. Call it emergency or parking the function of the brake is to hold the vehicle as if the brakes where applied. Yes, its designed for holding while the vehicle is sitting and every vehicle besides GM does just that. Did GM wake-up yesterday and say: Crap! it's called a "parking" brake, all it must do is assist the automatic transmission in "park"....!! What about those individuals with manual transmissions?? Lets see, every-time I need to get out of the vehicle I must put it in reverse and shut off the engine in order to "facilitate" the "parking brake" in performing its job.... and don't forget, if your load is heavy enough you best also put something behind/in front of the wheels to "facilitate both the engines compression and parking brakes efforts.... Give me a break! Does this mean GM will start including "chocks" (as they are called in the aviation arena - blocks of wood to place around tires) as "standard equipment" due to the fact GM's parking brake is now defined as a "Minor Resistance" (at best) Brake.
I for one 100% enjoy having you folks who claim to be GM techs and Service Writers discuss "issues" with us not so thrilled GM vehicle owners. BUT, don't try to explain something like this PB issue in ways that makes you sound like another person/GM rep trying to tell me this is just another NORMAL characteristic of the vehicle..

-This parking brake is not a brake at all..
-My badly knocking 5.3L is not normal...
-My ticking lifters is not normal...
-The constant vibration at highway speeds is not normal...

Fix your engineering issues GM and call it what it is. Have some integrity and stop acting like a giant fraud passing crap off to the consumer.

Thanks

Smitty




 
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Reg: 06-16-03
Re: Please test your parking brake.
06-29-03 06:16 AM - Post#253339    
    In response to John

The issue is that during the warranty period, some people are getting shoes and the infamous redesigned "clip" (which according to the TSB is at least one cause of what GM says is "premature" wear) replaced under warranty, others of us are not.

The reason I did not do this work myself was that, first, only GM sells the parts that I could find anyway, so there was no money to be saved there. Second, reading postings including some here had taught me that some people are getting this covered. Third, calling GM (800#) ahead of time they indicated it "probably" would be covered but they would not commit until dealer had diassembled it. By that time you are in for 1/2 the labor charge anyway. If they had said they would not cover it I would have done it myself. If it had been a brake pad for example, with no TSB, I would have change it myself. If I had been out of warranty I would have done the work myslef.

There is no reason not to use the GM-specified appeal process to attempt to resolve this issue, and no reason not to file a lawsuit if the outcome of the arbitration is not to your liking.

This is an issue where reasonable people can disagree, which is what arbitrators and courts are for. Certainly there are two sides to every issue as has been illustrated by this forum.

Paul



 
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