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Username Post: Work Situation Thoughts        (Topic#350962)
RAM_51 
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05-03-18 07:43 PM - Post#2732994    

I work at a military installation which will remain nameless. I was doing an operation alone at work helping a military unit with a portion of their ammunition turn in...no one else from my place of work helping. Quite frankly I hustled for the unit to get them processed in a timely manner....I HAD to hustle to meet a set time frame...remember now, I am alone...no help from anyone else where I work. I have been doing this type of operation alone for the better part of 5 years now. At the conclusion of the operation, I asked the NCO if the unit had done the same type of operation with the same amount of items at another nameless installation of which we are a satellite or sister installation. He answered in the affirmative. I then asked how many people from that installation were helping his unit there to get the same amount of work accomplished. He answered 2 civilians and 4 soldiers. Thoughts?

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56sedandelivery 
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05-03-18 08:22 PM - Post#2732995    
    In response to RAM_51

They need to pay you more!
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.

I learned too late, to always hold something back. When they see you can handle anything they throw at you, there's no way they'll let you get away with less. My hard work made my bosses look good. Most of my co-workers were lazy a** slackers, who never did a hard day in their life. And, they got paid the same as me. In retrospect, who's the dumb one?
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Maxbigblock 
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05-04-18 05:31 AM - Post#2733021    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

  • 56sedandelivery Said:
They need to pay you more!
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.
My hard work made my bosses look good. Most of my co-workers were lazy a** slackers, who never did a hard day in their life. And, they got paid the same as me. In retrospect, who's the dumb one?
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.



You had a job to do and you did it as good as you could. If the bosses took the credit, that will make them look good for now but, sooner or later they will have the slackers that they can take credit for. Doing a good job is always a positive reflection on you. Doing a job right in never dumb. It's the kind of stuff that you will always be remembered for.

Max

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100 CHEVY 
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05-04-18 07:05 AM - Post#2733026    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

  • 56sedandelivery Said:
They need to pay you more!
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.

I learned too late, to always hold something back. When they see you can handle anything they throw at you, there's no way they'll let you get away with less. My hard work made my bosses look good. Most of my co-workers were lazy a** slackers, who never did a hard day in their life. And, they got paid the same as me. In retrospect, who's the dumb one?

I have to agree with that comment!
My last job before retirement,I was the one who worked(I like to work!),most stood around all day on the phone,including my supervisor.Or spent too much time in the office,under a desk.
When you know your job and do it well,they will let you and complain when things go wrong,somehow thinking you will take charge and straighten it all out.As said,back off and let them have some of the stress!
Mike.
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RAM_51 
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05-04-18 10:02 AM - Post#2733037    
    In response to 100 CHEVY

  • 100 CHEVY Said:
As said,back off and let them have some of the stress!


Backing off, for me, number 1, includes getting my resume and retirement paperwork in order, and 2, taking today off. The problem is there are none of "them" there. And the folks that management continues to hire are, as stated, for one reason or another, "slackers". My place of work is a revolving door of hires that, once they see what is invloved, do a "Snaggle Puss" and say, "EXIT, stage right!". I seriously believe that after 13 years of this type of BS, it's time for me to do the same.


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JasonZ 
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05-09-18 05:31 PM - Post#2733554    
    In response to RAM_51

I've learned that currently in my situation that most of the time the lazy people are the ones promoted and or praised for not doing their job "saying they did something they didn't do themselves". Or they are good at "sexual favors". Once I pay some more bills off bump my credit some more. Also succeed in schooling. This will all be behind me.

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TAT_2 
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05-10-18 02:09 PM - Post#2733625    
    In response to JasonZ

BEEN EATEN poopoo SINCE 97.SEEN ABOUT 20+ SO CALLED MECHANICS COME & GO,I LOST COUNT.THE $ AINT 2BAD,WE ALL GOT A 75 CENT RAISE YESTERDAY & NO INCREASE IN HEALTH INSURANCE WITCH IS GOOD.

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Louiem 
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05-16-18 08:36 PM - Post#2734147    
    In response to RAM_51

I've never really worried what other people were doing. I did my best and usually it got recognized eventually if not immediately. If I felt I was being under compensated I let my boss know but I did not give any immediate deadlines. If I agree to work for a certain amount that's on me. If I was promised certain wages that don't materialize than I have every right to take my talents elsewhere. Slackers will be the first ones laid off if work slows down. Bosses know who makes them look good. Having said that, You control your own happiness. If you feel you would be happier somewhere else then make a change.



 
TAT_2 
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05-17-18 03:06 PM - Post#2734196    
    In response to RAM_51

GOT THIS TAT ABOVE MY R KNEE CAP ABOUT 40+ YEARS AGO,THE STORY OF MY LIFE "SCREWED AGAIN" !!! LOL

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VanLife 
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05-21-18 03:34 PM - Post#2734530    
    In response to TAT_2

this problem is not exclusive to military, its everywhere , in every aspect of life.(its the fundamentals of survival which is hardwired into us to keep the species going.)

we are hardwired to take the easy way, every single one of us. Including the OP.

The OP wold never have brought this issue up otherwise.

We constantly evaluate risk and reward vs how much effort will it take to achieve a high reward outcome Vs consequences of failure.

Like our current financial institution always looking for huge reward with ZERO risk for failure , without having to do anything themselves while other people do it for them.

To the OP maybe you need to consider writing a list of rewards for doing the job your doing, regardless of anyone else doing the same job.

If it makes yourself feel better, also list the rewards that are indirect as well. Like because your doing the job of 4-5 people it allows the military to focus more manpower say in the hunt for terrorists, even if that is only half a truth its still valid, etc.

(I am having to do more work than my peer is a consequence)

If you want to be happier. Try to get that reward list much longer than the consequence list.

you will hat the job if the consequence list out weighs the rewards list every time.



 
VanLife 
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05-21-18 03:50 PM - Post#2734534    
    In response to Louiem

your lucky.

If the management takes credit and your never exposed directly to the higher ups you don't ever get credit period, other than for following orders.

As part of taking credit they also give less than stellar performance reviews on the person directly responsible for the positive outcome.

example manager claims your Idea to them was theirs, while at the same time claiming they ordered you to enact the idea. Thus the management being the sole reason for the great outcome.

Under management like that, you NEVER get credit UNLESS the higher ups break chain of command and do personal inspections and interactions with the underlings of the management. Or someone outside the department rats, in order to ensure the credit goes to the right party.

That had been my constant through my work history. I suffered under management who stole credit and defamed in the end, when I said enough.

Then their is the greed aspect. to keep you from getting the credit you deserve. Not getting into that one I suspect all of us had that one at some point.

especially in a site like this where its people who DYI. In my case had enough of others getting/taking my credit for my effort.





 
RAM_51 
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05-22-18 12:02 PM - Post#2734632    
    In response to VanLife

  • VanLife Said:
we are hardwired to take the easy way, every single one of us. Including the OP.



I seriously need you to explain to me again how I'm taking the easy way out as I don't think you have a clue ...either that or you are a former officer.


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VanLife 
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05-22-18 06:38 PM - Post#2734682    
    In response to RAM_51

We instinctively do it as a survival trait. Your wondering if you could back off how hard your working , because your asking how much work other people are doing. (because in the back of your mind you feel your working to hard. Because you are.)

Your not designed to do 150% all the time. Our bodies physically can not handle it. we need down time to recover.

I am NOT saying your lazy or have poor work ethics. I am saying anything but.

example I did 150% all the time for work. At 43 Now I am paying the price, with health problems for a body that was over worked, like heart surgery at 26.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/the-gen-y-...

we burn energy but energy is NOT always available(lack of access to "good food") or takes time to convert etc. We are designed to bide our time by taking path of least resistance. to conserve energy.

if the candle burns brighter it burns out quicker from the excessive energy use.

We make a conscious decision to take the hard way or the way of resistance. (wanting to do the best job I can,) we can't maintain that we are NOT designed physically for that.

another example CEO VS laborer. Comparing lifespan and health. CEO live longer and are healthier because they don't work as hard and damage their bodies in the process.

I am NOT an officer. I was a workaholic who paid the price and is unable to work now. I have learned things since. In an attempt to understand why my body betrayed me.

I asked the same questions as you pointed out in the original post. etc I tried to rectify the problem but payed the price.



Edited by VanLife on 05-22-18 06:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
wagonman100 
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05-22-18 07:24 PM - Post#2734687    
    In response to VanLife

I know how you feel, sort of. Doing bodywork, no one can take credit for my work, but I deal with favoritism given to people that don’t deserve it. I had a talk with my bosses late last year about it and I’m about to have another talk with them because things are better, but are not straightened out satisfactorily.

We have a guy who calls everyone else lazy, but gets other people to get parts for him, move cars for him, take parts to the paint shop, etc. Basically, if he isn’t getting paid to do it, he doesn’t do it. And when he gets small jobs that don’t pay much, he complains loudly and incessantly. He is fast and does okay work. I have seen him hack things a fair amount. But because he is fast and will “fix” things that really should be replaced and management doesn’t want to hear him whining, he gets fed a lot of easy, high paying jobs. He also got a larger work area that I should have gotten, but I was told I never said I wanted more room to work and he did and said he could turn more flat rate hours with more room. At the time he only worked there about two years and I worked there almost 20. Turns out he doesn’t turn more hours than he did before. For a brief time I did have more space to work and sharply increased the hours I turned. He also hates using his frame machine, so he gets no hard hit cars.

While I agree it is instinct to try to do things the easiest way possible, our minds can override instinct. I work hard to do the best job I can fixing people’s cars. I also fix things that are not accident related to make people’s cars look as nice as possible when they get them back. I put my cars in primer and block the primer in 400 grit to make sure my work looks the best it can. But for all my efforts, my jobs get pushed aside in the paint shop because they need less work to get ready and they have to get the other bodymen’s work in primer. And the paint shop gets the guy that gets favoritism work done first because it is perceived that he makes them more money because he gives them more jobs, but they spend far less time on my jobs so they make money faster on my jobs. And for all my efforts, I am considered a slow worker by management.



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05-22-18 07:46 PM - Post#2734688    
    In response to wagonman100

For years I had a little label on the underside of my hardhats brim that said---
"Get A Real Job Stupid!
Helped me stay in perspective!
No job is worth all the stress!If you die,they will replace you before the funeral is over!
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Edited by 100 CHEVY on 05-22-18 07:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 




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