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Username Post: sorry wrong brand- but interesting project        (Topic#350563)
Bel Air kiwi 
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04-09-18 09:40 PM - Post#2730527    

Hi Guys, this is how you future proof a classic car. It is a promo vehicle for an electrical supply company here and it was made to be very fast off the mark for its size. Which is why it has a German electric Bus motor. The controls and engineering are Kiwi but they are universally transferable skills.

As you may know electric motors have the most torque at stall speed so don't really need a lot of gears, plus being axial they can rev quite high. However it is often easier to mate them to a gearbox to ensure that a cost effective and manageable reverse is obtained.

I am no expert in the field but it appears the old powerglide is ideal.
Simple reliable, strong and gives a limited speed reverse and two forward gears. Which appears to be more cost effective than making a second set of controls to reverse the motor and limit it in reverse.

https://youtu.be/nbNErBT1JaA

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


 

Sheldon Y. 
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04-10-18 04:56 AM - Post#2730539    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Kool Find. Thanks for sharing.

It's definitely a Niche vehicle.

I'm not a fan of Electric vehicles for a lot of reasons, the most important being the carbon-footprint in the manufacture and recycling of batteries. Also here in New England there are problems with batteries holding the charge in cold weather.

Did I miss it? Where did all those batteries install? Can you imagine the weight distribution issues? That car handled like a wet noodle when new! At lease Teslas keep the mass at the bottom of the car. The problem with Teslas though, is you have to replace the entire floor when the batteries die. Which makes it a throw-away product. More good news for the environment!

Certainly creates a dialogue. I say we all brainstorm and build a Hydrogen Chevy!

'49 Styleline Deluxe Build@

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johnwd98 
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04-10-18 06:30 AM - Post#2730547    
    In response to Sheldon Y.

My first thought was "What! they painted a black car yellow!" Haha.




 
55 Shaker 
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04-10-18 07:14 AM - Post#2730555    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

At least they screwed up a Ford instead of a Chevy.

The older I get, the more dangerous, I am !!!!


 
rrausch 
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04-10-18 07:52 AM - Post#2730564    
    In response to 55 Shaker

Quite ambitious, but not practical for a lot of reasons. Nice engineering job tho.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
carbking 
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04-10-18 09:57 AM - Post#2730571    
    In response to rrausch

Kiwi - thanks for sharing.

May sound strange coming from a carburetor guy, but I have been interested in electric cars for more than 50 years.

There are still many problems to address, but the only way to address the problems.............is to address the problems.

Obviously, in the infancy of the automobile, internal combustion technology progressed at a quicker rate than the technologies of electric or steam. And the market being driven by current costs, the IC engine won out.

Would be interesting to see what we would have if a small fraction of the R & D costs of the IC engine were expended on electric.

Again, thanks for sharing.

Jon.

Good carburetion is fuelish hot air!

The most expensive carburetor you will ever buy.....is the incorrect one you attempt to modify!

If you truly believe "one size fits all", trying walking a mile in your spouse's shoes!


 
Bel Air kiwi 
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04-10-18 08:13 PM - Post#2730637    
    In response to johnwd98

Hi John, the bright yellow is the corporate colors of the guys paying the bills. As it is a promotional vehicle they have used in TV commercials and travelling displays it's meant to stand out.

https://youtu.be/d4hd2TBXqcQ

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 04-10-18 08:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bel Air kiwi 
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04-10-18 08:24 PM - Post#2730639    
    In response to rrausch

Hi Robert, How come you think it's not practical. I know it doesn't have a great top speed or range, but it's fine around town.

I know it was very expensive, and because the electric cars that are scratch built wouldn't be layed out like this has caused issues. But it takes off like a cut cat due to the power it has available. And it drives around fine.

Those retractables had useless storage anyway due to the fold away hood and as it would have had either a 292/272 or 312 engine that is a lot of iron that has gone west, probably 500lb. The real unique and complex part is I think the high voltage high current controllers that the guy from Hamilton made. That item means the R&D is done for controlling 350V DC (These aren't forklift parts.)

Because they did not exist before there is now a pathway to make retro conversion a viable if expensive option. And as I said before if you have a glide you have a good driveline already.

How difficult would it be to convert a PU or van like this for local deliveries. Driveline life is likely to be 500,000 Miles at least, not sure about batteries

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 04-10-18 08:36 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Dave in VA 
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04-11-18 04:56 AM - Post#2730661    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Perry Mason's first car, season 1.


"Knowledge is Good" -- Emil Faber

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1950 Styleline Deluxe 2dr, mostly stock, driver quality...


 
johnwd98 
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04-11-18 05:37 AM - Post#2730663    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Hi John, the bright yellow is the corporate colors of the guys paying the bills. As it is a promotional vehicle they have used in TV commercials and travelling displays it's meant to stand out.

https://youtu.be/d4hd2TBXqcQ

Cheers Kiwi



Yes Kiwi, The reason for painting the car yellow is not hard to figure out. My comment was just meant as a little humor.




 
56sedandelivery 
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04-11-18 01:29 PM - Post#2730699    
    In response to johnwd98

There's also Neil Young's LincVolt, a specially built 1959 Lincoln Continental; runs on electricity and a bio-fuel (cellulosic ethanol); no gasoline/diesel whatsoever. There's a complete online site about the car. The car actually burned down once in a warehouse fire, caused by the charging system in use at the time, then completely rebuilt. Course it's also a million dollar car; you can spend that when you have 65 plus million. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




Edited by 56sedandelivery on 04-11-18 02:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
54delivery 
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04-11-18 01:56 PM - Post#2730702    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

I am not a fan of converting cool old dinosaur juice cars (yes, even Fords can be cool), to electric power. In my opinion, those old fifties and sixties cars just have to have a little rumble in the pipes....or what's the point!?

And I am I not against electric cars. Now if they would have retrofitted an antique electric car, like a Baker, with the latest in electric propulsion technology, I could appreciate that. After all, wouldn't that be hot rodding?



Edited by 54delivery on 04-11-18 01:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bel Air kiwi 
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04-11-18 02:45 PM - Post#2730720    
    In response to johnwd98

No problem John, It's sometimes hard to figure when you are not hearing a human voice. I often find people flare up over unintended slights that are just a bit of fun.

I could live with the color but those wheels give me the squitz.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


 
johnwd98 
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04-12-18 05:29 AM - Post#2730774    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi





 

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