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Username Post: Turn signal issues        (Topic#349438)
wiz62impala 
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01-31-18 06:52 PM - Post#2722912    

Hi
I have a 62 impala 4 speed and I am having turn signal issues. I bought the car in the summer and the first issue was that when I turn the right signal on, it doesn’t cancel on its own. A few weeks ago, I felt like when I would turn on the left signal, it would give me a little hard time I would have to click the signal extra hard to engage. A few days ago, I took apart the dash to repaint it and i noticed that my right turn signal turns on, but my left signal doesn’t turn on at all. No flasher inside or outside. Today, I was looking to see if I didn’t plug in the switch properly and I turned on the car, the right signal was on and wouldn’t turn off at all. Left signal still wasn’t turning on. I couldn’t turn off the right signal at all.

Can I get some advice on what to do next to diagnose the issue?

Thanks!

1962 Chevy Impala Hardtop 2DR
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pvs409 
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01-31-18 07:11 PM - Post#2722917    
    In response to wiz62impala

Is the wire from the turn signal switch -that lays on top of the black steering column tube, hooked into the bottom of the turn signal with a special snap in clip. All so that the wire " pulls the sliding clamp front to back" to turn the signal on and off. The wire should move toward the dash and away from the dash.

The wire connector for turn signals on 61 and 62's Chevy's is a poor GM design and many times will not cancel when in use and you have to manually turn off the turn signal with the handle.

As noted above the wire needs to be adjusted correctly, and completely attached to the bottom of the switch.

Paul

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wiz62impala 
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01-31-18 07:15 PM - Post#2722918    
    In response to pvs409

Do I need to have the steering wheel off in order to see if the wire is connect to the turn signal?

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01-31-18 07:51 PM - Post#2722924    
    In response to wiz62impala

if the wire does not move when you turn to the right or left with the turn signal handle, it may be disconnected or loose under the steering column.

Its screwed into the turn signal housing under the steering column and has a wire with a round end & the round end connects to the turn signal arm. The arm mechanism pulls the wire up and down.

In the picture the black rubber covered wire runs on top of the column held in a small flat clip toward the dash. The rubber part that ends just before the wire that sticks out of it. The last inch of rubber & wire is attached to the column switch at the end of the rubber cover. I can take a better picture if needed.

Paul

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61 and 62 4 speed column black wire that connects to the bottom side of the switch


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wiz62impala 
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01-31-18 08:12 PM - Post#2722927    
    In response to pvs409

Thanks for the pic. I looked underneath and the wire does not move when I turn signal right or left. I took a little screwdriver to the wire that’s connected to the switch and moved it forward and back and the signals turn on/off.

Would the next step be to find out if the end that’s connect to the turn signal arm is loose or not connected with the screw anymore? If so how do I do that?



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01-31-18 08:31 PM - Post#2722929    
    In response to wiz62impala

pull the steering wheel with a steering wheel puller.
Remove the horn ring first(it has 2 hex head screws -one on each side that hold it in place). The access is from the back side of the steering wheel.
There is one hole in each arm of the painted steering wheel to access the hex screws. Using a nut driver with a magnet for the hex screws is best (for removal and replacement).


57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
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62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4
62 ImpHT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible under frameoff
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pvs409 
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01-31-18 08:44 PM - Post#2722930    
    In response to pvs409

here is what your column should look like after the steering wheel is off. just to the right and above the single mounting screw is the wire connector for the turn signals -its hidden slightly by the turn signal mechanism held in by one screw.
Paul




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inside 4 column showing turn signal collar held in by one screw


57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4
62 ImpHT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible under frameoff
Website http://paulstensland.com/
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wiz62impala 
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01-31-18 08:54 PM - Post#2722935    
    In response to pvs409

You have been extremely helpful. I will do exactly what you have recommended and keep you posted no later than Saturday.

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01-31-18 09:29 PM - Post#2722939    
    In response to wiz62impala

A very light coating of white lithium grease will make all the parts work more smoothly. My Corvair has the same set up, and every 5 or 6 years, I take it apart, clean it, and relube. Never have a problem and it takes less that 30 minutes to complete the job. You spend more time getting all the proper tools, than anything else.

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02-01-18 01:13 PM - Post#2722997    
    In response to junky

I recently replaced the canceling cam thingy on mine. Both of the hooks that disengage were broken.

A little grease helps, but tightning the screw too much will just make the lever very hard to operate.

In my case, the switch on the bottom part of the column is badly held by the screws. I couldn't fit proper screws to hold it in place, either the holes are stripped or I don't have a single screw that fits there. Annnnnd, the position is just impossible for me to access it.

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wiz62impala 
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02-03-18 01:27 PM - Post#2723203    
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Hi everyone,

Thanks for your help. I solved the problem. It seems like the Bowden cable was just disconnected from the lever in the column behind the steering wheel! Hooked it back on and good to go.

You guys have been very helpful!!!

1962 Chevy Impala Hardtop 2DR
327 V8, 4 Speed Muncie M21


 
wiz62impala 
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03-19-18 07:29 PM - Post#2728224    
    In response to wiz62impala

Hi everyone

I’ve been working on painting my dash and after I put it together my signal was stuck on (right turn signal) so I figured this would be an easy fix like last time and that maybe the cable got lose behind the steering wheel. But it seems like the cable disconnected from the switch. Unbolted the switch and videotaped the problem.

Is this the misalignment issue I’ve heard others talk about? Or do I need a new cable/ turn signal switch

Let me know what you think

https://youtu.be/v2b_hwrfoYI

Thanks

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pvs409 
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03-19-18 08:24 PM - Post#2728228    
    In response to wiz62impala

your wire is disconnected from the switch. It has to be connected to the clamp with the sloted hole for the wire on the clamp.
The wire does not push on the bottom of the switch its connected to it.

If you don't understand I can take a picture of the correct wire location when connected to the switch. The wire goes all the way through the switch to the other side in the slotted hole.

Paul

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wiz62impala 
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03-20-18 03:05 AM - Post#2728239    
    In response to pvs409

Hi Paul

I slid the wire through the slotted hole but it come out. Should I use nose pliers to tighten the clamp? I didn’t want to ruin the switch so didn’t try yet.

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wiz62impala 
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03-20-18 03:06 AM - Post#2728240    
    In response to pvs409

Hi Paul

I slid the wire through the slotted hole but it come out. Should I use nose pliers to tighten the clamp? I didn’t want to ruin the switch so didn’t try yet.

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wiz62impala 
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03-20-18 05:22 AM - Post#2728253    
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Hi Paul

I realize now that I wasn’t putting the wire in from the correct side. Tough to explain but I put it in between the u shaped clip rather than on top. Putting it on top would put pressure on the wire so it stays in the J slot. I don’t think I used any of the correct terminology but I will attempt to fix tonight.

Thanks

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03-20-18 07:23 AM - Post#2728263    
    In response to wiz62impala

here is the correct wire connection to the turn signal switch.
Note that the wire is over the top of the moveable portion of the switch connection (so that the wire does not move when put in place). The clamp on the switch puts pressure on the wire. The wire is snapped in place from the open side of the clip.

You need to have the turn signal arm centered (so the wire is the same distance in and out of the switch) when mounting in the clip.

You can make adjustments in the switch by sliding the entire switch to the front or rear using the slots in the gold plated mounting arms on the switch ( by a amount that is needed to center the wire so you have left and right turn signals working and cancelling)

Paul

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61 and 62 switch correctly mounted


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correct signal switch wire connection 61 and 62 Chevy


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62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4
62 ImpHT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible under frameoff
Website http://paulstensland.com/
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03-20-18 08:59 AM - Post#2728275    
    In response to pvs409

Paul is there a missing screw in the second photo that clamps the gold plate down on the outer sleeve?



 
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03-20-18 02:47 PM - Post#2728317    
    In response to turbo38s10

  • turbo38s10 Said:
Paul is there a missing screw in the second photo that clamps the gold plate down on the outer sleeve?


I took out both hex head mounting screws that hold the switch to the column(one is shown in first picture) and turned the switch to the side to take the 2nd picture.

Paul


57 BelairHT 283/270hp 4 spd
62 ImpHT 327/300 4 spd
62 Imp CV SS 327/300HP 700R4
62 ImpHT SS 409/482 stroker 4 spd
62 Imp SS 409 - 5 spd Convertible under frameoff
Website http://paulstensland.com/
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03-20-18 03:15 PM - Post#2728322    
    In response to pvs409

Not those 2, but on the end where the bergen cable sleeve is held in place isn't there a philips head screw that clamps down on the plastic outer cable so it doesn't slide back an forth?
Mine has one I'll have to look and see if the old switches I have have one as well.



 
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03-20-18 04:44 PM - Post#2728335    
    In response to turbo38s10

Try bowden cable...and yes, there should be a screw to hold it.



 
wiz62impala 
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03-21-18 05:53 AM - Post#2728380    
    In response to 55Brodie

Thanks so much Paul. Your advice helped and I’ve got it working properly now.

One other question. . I replaced my turn signal mechanism behind the steering wheel and cancelling cam because both right and left signals weren’t cancelling. Now my right turn signal isn’t cancelling. I noticed at the end of the night that I I didn’t tighten the steering wheel enough because there is a gap between the steering wheel and the column, could that Be a factor in why the turn signal isn’t cancelling? I am thinking if there is a gap, the “cancelling pawl” (those u shaped pieces) aren’t contacting the cancelling cam on the back of the steering wheel? Or is there something else I should look into.

Thanks!



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03-21-18 08:11 AM - Post#2728396    
    In response to 55Brodie

your right brain was on jet engine bergen cables.
Bowden is correct.



 
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03-21-18 09:20 AM - Post#2728405    
    In response to turbo38s10

The gap would play in not working.


I know I'm late in this but I found when I was doing my 64 tilt column install that if I set the switch to work while the steering wheel was full up it wouldn't work correctly when in the spot I like when driving it, also if it was full down it would not work in the other direction opposite of full up.
So for me I had to put the wheel straight out as I set the switch and so far it has worked fine.



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Edited by Andy4639 on 03-21-18 09:23 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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04-01-18 09:32 AM - Post#2729614    
    In response to pvs409

Paul - is this the same for a 1963? I'm working on similar issues, but need more info to figure out why the interior blinker lights nor the outside blinker lights are not working.



 
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04-01-18 09:45 AM - Post#2729616    
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delete

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Edited by junky on 04-01-18 09:48 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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04-01-18 05:22 PM - Post#2729662    
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The turn signal cam has to go on the right way also are it want work. Looking at the dash the open side faces the drivers side of the car.


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