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Username Post: Posi Question        (Topic#349433)
HotRodg57 
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01-31-18 01:17 PM - Post#2722877    

Hey guys, I'm looking for a Posi for the 57. I found a guy that's got a ford 9" Posi, he says was in a 55 Camio, originally from a country squire wagon. He says the demintions from outside edge of drum to outside other drum is 65" he says the gears are 3. 25 with 31 spline axles. my 57 rear is stock with 3. 36 gearing. He's asking 900. Bucks. Question. What if any figment issues might I have to deal with? And do you all think this is a good deal?
Opinions welcomed.
Thanks
Rodger

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Edited by HotRodg57 on 01-31-18 04:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 

YOUNG57 
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01-31-18 04:24 PM - Post#2722895    
    In response to HotRodg57

Here are the widths of common rear ends. But these numbers do not reflect the spring perch type or placements. Only the overall length for wheel mountings. Most spring perches will have to be moved or replaced.

Rear end widths in inches
(wheel mount surface to wheel mount surface)

57.75 1962-1967 Chevy II/Nova
58.00 1978-1988 Chevy Malibu, Monte Carlo
59.50 1968-1982 Corvette
60.00 1955-1964 Chevy Car
60.00 1967-1969 Camaro
60.25 1968-1979 Chevy II/Nova
60.50 1984-1995 Corvette
60.50 1964-1967 Chevelle
62.00 1955-1959 Chevy Pickup
62.50 1968-1972 Chevelle
62.50 1970-1981 Camaro/Firebird




 
HotRodg57 
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01-31-18 04:51 PM - Post#2722900    
    In response to YOUNG57

Thanks for the reply. I'm sure no matter what I get, it'll need some mods. What I'm unsure of is the width of my stock orig. rear end is. I have discs on my rear end now, that I would like to swap over.
Rodger

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56sedandelivery 
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01-31-18 08:49 PM - Post#2722931    
    In response to HotRodg57

You want something 60" wide with stock spring location. Same as stock width. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




Edited by 56sedandelivery on 01-31-18 08:51 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
raycow 
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02-01-18 01:50 AM - Post#2722947    
    In response to HotRodg57

That Ford rear is 5" wider than the stock rear for your car. This is in addition to any spring pad spacing issues it might have. Are you asking about a 9" rear because you want to run wide tires? If yes, that one would require you to cut out the wheel openings or else jack up the rear of the car for tire clearance.

IMO, for $900 you should be able to find a used posi rear the correct width to fit inside your fenders, although you still might need to re-locate (or add) the spring pads.

Lastly, could you ask your seller what kind of vehicle a "55 Camio" is supposed to be? There was no El Camino in 1955, but there was a Cameo, which was a 1/2 ton stepside truck with fiberglass panels to make it look like a fleetside. According to YOUNG57's list, that would have had a stock 62" rear, so the Ford would have been 3" wider than that. What did the seller do for tire clearance on that one?

Ray

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Bad56Sedan 
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02-01-18 06:58 AM - Post#2722967    
    In response to HotRodg57

What if any figment issues might I have to deal with?
65" is too wide, not enough drum outboard room
inner fender lip on 5-6-7 cars is aprox. 70½"

And do you all think this is a good deal?

unfortunately no because it doesn't fit

I would look around some more, but you know someone that wants $900 might take $700/500?
If so it still going to take another $1500 to narrow, axles and spring pads to make it fit.



VC56S 2 door Sedan, 38 Years



 
models916 
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02-01-18 07:38 AM - Post#2722970    
    In response to Bad56Sedan

If you are keeping everything else…..

https://www.ebay.com/itm/GM-8-2-55-64-Chev y-Posi-5...




 
HotRodg57 
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02-01-18 10:12 AM - Post#2722984    
    In response to models916

Thanks guys, those are all great points I had not considered.
The Posi in question was in a Cameo truck. I was hoping the mounting set up on truck was the same for the 57.
I do like that drop in unit, I will keep my eyes and my mind open.
Thanks
Rodger


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Bluemeany 
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02-01-18 11:46 AM - Post#2722989    
    In response to HotRodg57

If your HP is less than 300, then you might consider finding a P-case hogs head that bolts right in without any mods or fabrication. Here's one: https://www.ebay.com/p/55-64-Chevy-Corvett e-55p-Re...

57 Hardtop 302 & 3 Speed stick w/OD;
93 Camaro Indy Pace Car


 
DZAUTO 
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02-01-18 03:46 PM - Post#2723018    
    In response to Bluemeany

  • Bluemeany Said:
If your HP is less than 300, then you might consider finding a P-case hogs head that bolts right in without any mods or fabrication. Here's one: https://www.ebay.com/p/55-64-Chevy-Corvett e-55p-Re...




I never participate on the 55-57 sections any more because of the attitude as well as the very last time I was here I was cussed out, BUUUUUUUUUUUUT I feel compelled to reply to this so that one of the members is not misled.
THAT REAR ON EBAY IS NOT, REPEAT, NOT A POSI REAR!!!

Here is a side by side comparison of a 55-64 center section with 3.08 ratio, posi-left, non posi-right.



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HotRodg57 
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02-01-18 06:45 PM - Post#2723029    
    In response to DZAUTO

Thanks DZ for your reply. I appreciate your opinion, I remember you from many years ago when this site was brand new! I am glad to know you are still around I am looking for the most "cost effective" way to put a posi under the 57. Suggestions??
Thanks
Rodger

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DZAUTO 
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02-01-18 07:26 PM - Post#2723034    
    In response to HotRodg57

PM sent.



 
Bluemeany 
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02-02-18 09:29 AM - Post#2723070    
    In response to HotRodg57

Ooops... Thanks DZAuoto for catching my error. I should have paid closer attention to the eBay listing. However, Finding a Posi section that bolts right in to the existing differential housing is not a bad way to go.


57 Hardtop 302 & 3 Speed stick w/OD;
93 Camaro Indy Pace Car


 
toro455 
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02-03-18 02:09 PM - Post#2723206    
    In response to Bluemeany

I'm not a person who is very familiar with the '57 but the original car, I assume, has a functioning open differential now. Isn't there a posi carrier which would simply swap-out as opposed to trying to find a completely different rear end assembly from a different car? Is the issue the design for '57 wasn't that strong? I've swapped carriers in other vehicles and that seems like the best option in this case unless the '57 design too weak to handle the torque.

I can also say when you start to modify and rebuild anything the costs start to climb. I bought a 12 Bolt open and did all the work myself. To frame the job I changed gear ratios and I used new axles as well as of course the posi carrier.That was less expensive than buying a completely brand new rear end assemble from a place like Moser Engineering but not as much as some would think and my situation assumes zero labor cost. Moser btw does very nice work. I went that route on another vehicle.

Scott



 
55Wolfe 
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02-03-18 02:51 PM - Post#2723209    
    In response to Bluemeany

Doesn't the eaton posi unit bolt in without any mods to the stock case? Ithink it will unlike the chevy type posi. Also I think there was another case chevy made that was not the"p" case that would work. I'm old so I forget stuff so bare with me!
Dave {still drive a 55}
P.S. I think the left rear axle need 0.125 thousands removed also with the posi! I have a 57 case I put in my 55 that didn't need the rib in the case ground down for the posi unit to clear,It was a series 3 case but not a "p" case. I think it was an "N" case but not sure.



Edited by 55Wolfe on 02-04-18 09:37 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DZAUTO 
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02-05-18 09:31 AM - Post#2723408    
    In response to 55Wolfe

If anyone needs help or info on these early posi rears, I'll reply to any PM----------------------- -but I will not reply here (so far no one has provided any good factual information).



 
5Larry7 
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02-05-18 02:45 PM - Post#2723452    
    In response to HotRodg57

FWIW, I put a 8.5 ten bolt posi rear end in my 57. As the chart above indicates, it is 1.5 inches wider than stock per side. I got 8 inch wide wheels with 2 inch deeper off set and it all clears with 255/60X15 BF Goodrich tires. No rubbing even with spirited driving. The 8.5, while no 9 inch, is a pretty stout rear end.

'57 210, 327 cid, Holley MPFI, 700R4, A/C & more.
'51 Studebaker Starlite coupe, 350, TH400, GV OD.
'96 Replica of a 1950's Teardrop Trailer.


 
55Wolfe 
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02-07-18 02:53 PM - Post#2723667    
    In response to DZAUTO

You wont reply here, Oh no! Now I'm really sad.....



 
DZAUTO 
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02-07-18 09:12 PM - Post#2723710    
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PM sent.



 
Nick P 
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02-21-18 07:44 AM - Post#2725092    
    In response to 55Wolfe

  • 55Wolfe Said:
You wont reply here, Oh no! Now I'm really sad.....



I'm wondering how this reply helps to provide any resolve to two issues. 1st issue, the OP'S question. 2nd issue - trolling for a reaction that propagates the discontinuance of viable information from a knowledgeable source.

If this gives you gratification, then please find the kiddie section, stay there.



 
models916 
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02-22-18 05:37 AM - Post#2725170    
    In response to Nick P

This is why he's gone.




 
Nick P 
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02-22-18 07:02 AM - Post#2725181    
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That in conjunction with many things in the past. Truly is a shame, so much knowledge. Notice also, the troll has a total of 135 posts since registering in 2012 - yup, 1930 days ago. And, in that span of time, a mere 0.0699481865284974093264248 7046632 contributions per day. Must take weeks to come up with this much input.


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55Wolfe 
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02-22-18 10:17 AM - Post#2725207    
    In response to Nick P

Nick P. Maybe I only posted 135 times to your 6000+ posts is because I actually had things to say and you just enjoy running your mouth on the keyboard! DZ Auto has lots of knowledge but I don't believe he quit posting because of any thing I said. P.S., This troll has owned and drag raced fifteen 55 Chevys since 1963 so I do have some knowledge about the cars. Get over yourself.



Edited by 55Wolfe on 02-22-18 10:23 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Nick P 
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02-22-18 05:12 PM - Post#2725267    
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  • 55Wolfe Said:
Nick P. Maybe I only posted 135 times to your 6000+ posts is because I actually had things to say and you just enjoy running your mouth on the keyboard! DZ Auto has lots of knowledge but I don't believe he quit posting because of any thing I said. P.S., This troll has owned and drag raced fifteen 55 Chevys since 1963 so I do have some knowledge about the cars. Get over yourself.



So, troll, if you have such a vast amount of knowledge why have you declined to share it with others here?



 
YOUNG57 
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02-22-18 06:43 PM - Post#2725276    
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A great many of us DO appreciate DZAUTO and his valuable contributions but because of people like you we don’t get to benefit from them as often as we could otherwise. No one appreciates your derogatory comments or attacks toward DZAUTO and other contributors.

Your number of posts does not make you an authority. Please limit them to contributing toward a positive solution instead of bad mouthing other contributors.




 
Nick P 
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02-22-18 06:59 PM - Post#2725278    
    In response to YOUNG57

So, how is your comment helping?



Edited by Nick P on 02-22-18 07:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Nick P 
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02-22-18 07:04 PM - Post#2725279    
    In response to YOUNG57

  • YOUNG57 Said:
A great many of us DO appreciate DZAUTO and his valuable contributions but because of people like you we don’t get to benefit from them as often as we could otherwise. No one appreciates your derogatory comments or attacks toward DZAUTO and other contributors.

Your number of posts does not make you an authority. Please limit them to contributing toward a positive solution instead of bad mouthing other contributors.



READ FIRST B4 YOU ACCUSE ME OF NOT SUPPORTING DZ, PLEASE.



 
Rick_L 
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02-22-18 08:33 PM - Post#2725285    
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Mr. Parsons, I don't know what your problem with the rest of us is - but I find it very annoying that you'll post "PM me, I'll tell you the facts". I say either shut up and never post or just go ahead and participate with your very comprehensive knowledge. Don't tease. If you have a problem, maybe you should come clean with it, it might make you feel better. I really doubt that your antagonizers are even here any more, hardly anyone else is.



 
DZAUTO 
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02-22-18 08:47 PM - Post#2725287    
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PM sent.



 
56sedandelivery 
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02-23-18 02:48 AM - Post#2725298    
    In response to DZAUTO

I've had a couple/few dealings directly with Tom P./DZAUTO. EVERYONE has their little quirks, but I would't hesitate to e-mail Tom for guidance with anything. I wish he was back on the Tri-Five forums also, but I understand his feelings against the few rectal prolapses who gave/give him grief. Keep stepping in wherever and whenever you want to Tom; you are a valued member, and your extensive knowledge is very much appreciated, and the rectal prolapses, not so much. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




 

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