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Username Post: Australian made adapter?        (Topic#348539)
56sedandelivery 
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12-04-17 03:49 AM - Post#2716811    

Some time back, there was a thread that included an Australian made adapter to convert to an open drive-line, and keep the stock 3 speed transmission. At least that's what I think it was. Could have been an adapter to use a post 55 3 speed with an adapter to connect it to the stock torque-tube. Could have even been on another site; I'm just trying to find out exactly what it was. Anyone remember/know what I'm talking about, or is this another "benefit" of getting older? I am Butch/56sedandelivery.-




 

wbeaton 
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12-04-17 05:36 AM - Post#2716812    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

Your memory is fine.

https://www.valleycustom.co.nz/products

1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe 2 Door Sedan
1954 235 with Isky Cam, Shaved Head
Dual Carter YF 787S Carbs on Offenhauser Intake
Split Manifold Dual Exhaust
3 Speed with 3.55 Differential
12V Conversion with Alternator
Pertronix Ignition


 
kiwi54chev 
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12-04-17 11:30 AM - Post#2716849    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

Not to nit pick, but that is Kiwi made not Aussie



 
raycow 
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12-04-17 12:19 PM - Post#2716852    
    In response to kiwi54chev

I'm trying to understand the argument for using this rather expensive part. It can't be that the early transmissions are "better" than the newer open drive types. However, using this piece does allow you to keep the stock bellhousing, which means that the stock clutch linkage doesn't get disturbed. I suppose a case might be made for that.

Does anyone else here have any other ideas?

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
56sedandelivery 
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12-04-17 12:41 PM - Post#2716855    
    In response to wbeaton

  • wbeaton Said:


That's the adapter I remember, but I had the wrong country of manufacture; at least I was in the right hemisphere. Sort of makes for a l-o-n-g transmission. Updating to a different bell-housing/transmission would be cheaper, and probably a little less complicated. I'll tuck this information away in my "files"; I thought I had saved it before, but could't find it. Thanks.
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.





 
wbeaton 
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12-04-17 01:03 PM - Post#2716861    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

To be fair, this adapter was only $700 AUD ($540 USD) when it was posted a couple years ago. It was much more attractive at that price.

1951 Chevy Styleline Deluxe 2 Door Sedan
1954 235 with Isky Cam, Shaved Head
Dual Carter YF 787S Carbs on Offenhauser Intake
Split Manifold Dual Exhaust
3 Speed with 3.55 Differential
12V Conversion with Alternator
Pertronix Ignition


 
rrausch 
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12-04-17 04:09 PM - Post#2716882    
    In response to wbeaton

Wow. Almost doubled in price. I'd never pay $999 for that.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
Bel Air kiwi 
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12-04-17 09:10 PM - Post#2716908    
    In response to raycow

Hi Ray, I think the only reason it exists as a product is we have the crucial difference of being RHD, and therefore the wide array of bell-housings you have to use later Chevy pattern boxes doesn't exist here. Our clutch levers are on the other side and those castings are not high volume pieces.

Our bell's tend to have the early pattern that is not compatible with later open drive gearboxes.

There are no second hand 3.55:1 rear ends as there were only a handful of special order powerglide cars here.

We also have the near bolt in Holden Ute diff that would give a wide range of suitable ratios.

We don't have wrecking yards full of 55 on Chevy car or light PU.


However, as you noted, if you are not staying true restoration why would you bother with just three gears?

Cheers Kiwi

PS. Hey Butch, don't worry about getting Australia and New Zealand mixed up as we are used to you Canadians doing that!

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 12-04-17 09:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
56sedandelivery 
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12-05-17 12:02 AM - Post#2716920    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Now I'm Canadian? I did't know that; I thought I was Alaskan. My best friend is Canadian however.
I am Butch/56sedandelivery, eh!




 
raycow 
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12-05-17 01:16 AM - Post#2716922    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Kiwi, I think you nailed it. I never even thought about the implications of your cars all being RHD. Now that adapter makes perfectly good sense.

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
Bel Air kiwi 
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12-05-17 10:20 PM - Post#2717022    
    In response to raycow

Hi Ray, I still don't think he sells many but when you add up that if you want a later full synchro trans that means the Bell housing has to come out and be remachined to the new pattern and one of the ears doesn't fit if its Chevy, so that's an adapter or weld on ear. Plus you would have to import the gearbox.

Holden gearboxes uses a different pattern from late Chevy and they were mostly three on the tree but that could be a nightmare to get the linkage good. If it was an early with floor change I would just go S10 5 speed and Holden diff.

We make quite a bit of specialty stuff like that for low volume markets. A friend of mine makes the Model "A" quick changes and some Sidevalve V8 ones as well.
There is a specialist foundry in his home town and there is plenty of CNC machining capacity. They can cast you a new head for your Rudge Ulster in bronze, as long as you wait until they are doing some propellers for fishing boats.

With the CNC machining capacity around we can make small run stuff cheaper than you could get it out of the drawing office in a big commercial volume outfit. Mostly it's just hobbiests but if you want a new crank and rods for your V16 Cadillac or Bugatti just send the drawings down.

You may not of heard but we took the America's cup off you last year with our own advanced design carbon fibre foiling boats made here. But the the funny thing is your defender was also made in Auckland just across the harbour from ours.

Cheers Kiwi



48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 12-05-17 10:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
raycow 
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12-06-17 12:26 AM - Post#2717032    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

Kiwi, gloat all you want, but you guys who live south of the equator have to get special toilets that flush in the opposite direction from ours!

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
beagrizzly 
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12-11-17 10:21 AM - Post#2717577    
    In response to raycow

Ray,
Now I'm really confused. You mean the water comes up out the top?
That's messy. Smelly too.

Griff

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if you're gonna be a bear..................

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raycow 
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12-11-17 08:52 PM - Post#2717639    
    In response to beagrizzly

No, the difference is the direction the water swirls as it goes down the drain, clockwise in the northern hemisphere and counterclockwise in the southern hemisphere. This is caused by the Coriolis effect.

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
Mike JW 
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12-11-17 09:35 PM - Post#2717643    
    In response to raycow

Hey Ray are you sure??????????????????



 
raycow 
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12-12-17 09:08 AM - Post#2717674    
    In response to Mike JW

The Coriolis effect is for real. I made up the toilet story just to pull Kiwi's chain. Since he is an engineer, I figured he would know about it.

Here is more about it than you will probably ever want to read.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_force

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
Scott Andrews 
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12-14-17 03:47 PM - Post#2717930    
    In response to wbeaton

You know, for a period of time, the all-in-one seal and bushing kit for the front end of the torque tube was out of production, and finding NOS and/or NORS bushings and seals can be like hunting for unicorns. Between this, and the price of bearings, seals, and the increasingly limited availability of spider and axle gears, such an adapter and having a driveline shop fab up a driveshaft could end up being a cost-neutral, if not necessarily cost-effective way to replace a worn-out torque tube rear without having to go to the added headaches of modifying or fabricating cross members, mounts and shift linkage. For those of us who are decent welders (I'm certainly NOT one of them!) this might seem like a lot of money to achieve a less-than-satisfactory way of swapping from a closed driveline to, say, a '55 rear axle in a '49 -'54 passenger car and, for them at least, they would be 100% correct. But for those of us who lack that skill, purchasing some shock adapters and drilling a few properly offset holes in the '55 spring perches eliminates need to pay anyone but a driveline shop for a lot of specialized modifications or fabrication.

Scott Andrews
Dacula, GA


 
Bel Air kiwi 
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12-14-17 07:29 PM - Post#2717964    
    In response to raycow

Hi Ray, this fish just kept swimming around in the barrel

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


 
Bel Air kiwi 
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12-14-17 07:37 PM - Post#2717966    
    In response to Scott Andrews

Hi Scott. For me if you want to be pure about a restoration, you are stuck with how it came. But if you want to be a bit liberal on the interpretation, then the 4.11 to 3.55:1 diff swap is valid. As are 53-4 steering boxes, transmissions and Bendix brakes.

If you want an old engine to live in the modern driving context then the biggest improvement is to give it more gears, be it automatic or manual.
And if you make the car/truck capable of driving 15% better then you had better add 20-30% more brakes and handling.

Other than one option that gives you a more modern 3 speed in a torque tube, all the more gear answers largely require a conversion to open driveline.

Cheers kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


 

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