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Username Post: Engine size and clutch size        (Topic#348451)
qqnpd53 
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11-28-17 03:22 PM - Post#2716130    

Hi, I have a 53 2 door Chevy Belair, I need to know the engine size and the clutch size. The value cover has two rods going thru ut to tighten it down, I think it's a 215 or 216 Ci, also I think the clutch is 9 inch. Is there any way to tell by looking at the engine numbers?
Thanks, Rick



 

rrausch 
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11-28-17 03:37 PM - Post#2716134    
    In response to qqnpd53

If it's the original engine it's a 235. Is the car a stick or Powerglide?

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qqnpd53 
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11-28-17 03:50 PM - Post#2716141    
    In response to rrausch

It's stick



 
Gene_Schneider 
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11-28-17 04:38 PM - Post#2716154    
    In response to qqnpd53

All 1953 cars with a standard transmission had a 235 engine. The clutch disc was 9" with a 10 3/4" optional and very seldom found.

The exception is the sedan delivery and smaller trucks had a 216 engine.

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qqnpd53 
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11-28-17 04:44 PM - Post#2716156    
    In response to Gene_Schneider

Is there a way to tell by looking at engine numbers, also I remember something about if the valve cover had two rods going thru it to hold the cover on it was a 216, and truth to that



 
Bel Air kiwi 
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11-28-17 05:02 PM - Post#2716161    
    In response to qqnpd53

Hi qqnpd53, the best way to tell what the engine really is is the block casting number, or post photos of it for forum members to see.

Its down by the starter. There are charts online to show what the motor was built as and when and where if you also get the foundry casting marks.

The engine stamped number will tell you what the engine was originally fitted too, but over the years many of these get swapped for all sorts of reasons.

Cheers Kiwi

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2blu52 
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11-28-17 06:09 PM - Post#2716178    
    In response to qqnpd53

My answer would be to look at the side plate on the passenger side. If the valve pushrod cover only goes half way to the top it is a 235 if the side plate cover extends to the top of the head and surrounds the spark plugs then it is a 215 (there is no 215), also be aware that the factory installed 235 in the 53 manual transmission cars was not a full pressure engine. I was one of the early 235 engines installed in the 1950 to 1052 Chevrolet cars equipped with the power glide transmission.To differentiate between the low pressure 235 and the full pressure 235 look under the exhaust manifold toward the pan flange, if there is a triangular shaped steel plate there then it is the low pressure 235.

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11-29-17 12:29 PM - Post#2716263    
    In response to 2blu52

The 235 truck engines had a full side cover. I bought a new low pressure 235 short block and put it in my 1950 Chevrolet and used the 216 head and side pan, in 1954.
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raycow 
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11-29-17 01:25 PM - Post#2716269    
    In response to Rustchips

  • Rustchips Said:
The 235 truck engines had a full side cover.....


This is true only for the 1949-earlier truck engines. Truck engines 1950-up and all of the 235 car engines have the short side cover.

When I was a kid we used to call the 49-earlier 235s "cheater" engines, because they looked exactly like a 216. The only way to tell for sure was the stamping or the casting no, but most people didn't know where to look unless they were very knowledgeable.

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Bel Air kiwi 
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11-29-17 03:21 PM - Post#2716282    
    In response to raycow

Hi Guys, I have to go with Ray on this, there is the one tricky engine in the transition, being the 53 manual version 235.

In the cars its the transition model that looks like a dipper 216, because it is a dipper, but has some of the features of the next model full pressure 235 like the head.

The rocker cover mounts are a guide but it's really simple to convert a late one back to twin stud and I have done this on my 261, So its a Canadian 58 261 and doesn't have an oil filter. I two toned the head so the spark plug side is the same color as the short side-plate. It catches out a lot of folks who just glance at it.

The funniest one was the local national president of the Chevy club who declared to his entourage, "That's a stock dipper" in that 48 PU. I quietly said its not, its a 261. He started to give me the patronizing lecture that they were 216 not 261 and we didn't get any 261 Chevy's.
I said "Yes that's right, but this is a 261, have a good look" Then I pointed to the sergeant stripes.

He then started to back pedal, and mentioned all the dipper parts on it. I said "Yeah I know, I did it. it catches out the inexperienced every time."

The lesson is look up the casting numbers and patterns on the block. You never know what smart arse has played with it. Given how much interchange there is.

Cheers Kiwi

ps. Read the 49-53 workshop manual with 54 supplement in Keith hardy's sticky post. I go to it often and you will be amazed at how many changes there are both internally and externally.

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 12-01-17 03:26 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Gene_Schneider 
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11-29-17 09:24 PM - Post#2716336    
    In response to qqnpd53

If the egine is an original 1953 stick engine the first 3 letters in the engine number will begin with LAC or LAP is it has the optional big clutch.
LAA or LAM for the dmall clutch

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