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Username Post: ALSO RAN - STILL RUNNING        (Topic#342870)
RAM_51 
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02-24-17 07:06 AM - Post#2678327    

It’s not like I don’t have enough projects, but every once in a while a car comes along that you just can’t pass up. I found this one on eBay in December of 2016. It had somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 people watching it with a “BUY IT NOW” option waiting for someone to click the button to buy the car and end the auction. That someone ended up being me. Buying a car over eBay, and a car nearly 1,400 miles away at that, was new territory for me. The deal almost soured when I learned that the advertised “clear title” turned into no title at all. But when I saw addition photos of the car…just to verify that I had not been “taken”, the deal was back on. I was told the the car was stored indoors for most of its existence except for the last 5 years. Given its condition I have no reason to dispute that claim. What follows are some of the photos that accompanied the auction.













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RAM_51 
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02-26-17 07:40 AM - Post#2678586    
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As I mentioned, I had never purchased such a large item on eBay. This was just around Christmas when people are becoming cash strapped and maxing out their credit cards to buy gifts for friends and family. When I discovered that the car in actuality did not have a title and the pick up address, when google mapped, ended up being a lonely spot along a Nebraska two lane road, I began to suspect I may have been bilked.

The seller to this point had only sold small inexpensive items, and, although they did have 100% feedback they had not done a large volume over the eleven years they had been selling on eBay. I’ve had my share of bad experiences on eBay so, at that point I requested that additional photos be sent with a current newspaper in the photo so at least I could have some assurance that the car indeed did exist. There was also a state recreation area in the vicinity of the pick up point so I asked the car’s location in relation to the recreation area.

Once I got that information, I google mapped the area again, and… there it was. I could see the car on Google Earth and the photos arrived via email about the same time. As I mentioned above, the deal was back on, but a title was still nonexistent.

















1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
Bel Air kiwi 
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02-26-17 03:11 PM - Post#2678652    
    In response to RAM_51

Hi Ram, I can appreciate the buyer nerves on ebay, imagine what it's like for us in the UK, Australia, NZ or Europe.
How come you put it in the build section, it's so nice what is there to build? LOL

Cheers Kiwi

PS love those Alabama mag wheels

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars


Edited by Bel Air kiwi on 02-26-17 03:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
RAM_51 
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02-26-17 03:16 PM - Post#2678653    
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I posted in the 49-54 Forum asking for advice or of companies I could use to ship this car from Nebraska to Washington and got some good replies. The biggest problem I encountered was the fact that the car was being shipped in the middle of winter and the remote location where the car was to be picked up. As it turned out I ended up using uShip. A gentleman who lives about 40 minutes from the pick-up site took my bid, which you have to build at the uShip site. After a few weather delays, the car arrived at my home in Washington state on 13 Feb 2017 with no damage other than a few expected flat tires. I was told that the hood ornament and three additional wheels were inside the trunk, which incidentally didn't seem to have a lock cylinder, but I was also pleased to find the fender skirts, the radio antenna, and the afore mentioned missing trunk lock cylinder in the trunk as well; to say nothing of a number of fairly large uninhabited mouse nests.









1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
RAM_51 
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02-26-17 04:04 PM - Post#2678662    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
How come you put it in the build section


I just wanted a place to chronicle this car. Maybe others can use it as a tool to determine whats missing on their Fleetline, or even any other Chevrolet of this vintage. I mean it is nearly an absolutely unmolested example.

  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
PS love those Alabama mag wheels


LOL...you like those too huh? Maybe I can put those on eBay labeled as such.

1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
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02-27-17 10:50 AM - Post#2678778    
    In response to RAM_51

Once again RAM, congrats on snagging that sweet original Fleetline. Sweet car!

Dean50



 
RAM_51 
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02-28-17 06:17 AM - Post#2678914    
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Thanks Dean.


Here’s where the story get kind of interesting. In communicating with the seller I let him know that I had no plans of rodding or customizing this car as it was in quite exceptional condition. He related that the car belonged to his wife’s father and the he was in the process of getting a new engine for it when he passed away. In one of the emails he informed me that he was a pilot during WWII, was shot down, and was held in Japan as a prisoner of war. He also told me his name, Leonard Sokol, so I went to google to see if I could find any information on him.

As it turned out, Leonard wasn’t a pilot as his son in law thought. He was part of the flight crew aboard a B-17 that was based in England. The interesting thing is that he was in actuality a tail gunner…just as my father had been a tail gunner in a number of B-17s during WWII; also stationed in England. Additionally, in the early to mid 60s, my father owned a 1950 Fleetline although it was a four door.

I discovered that Leonard’s B-17 was shot down over Germany and he had become a POW and was barracked in Stalag 17. The name of the B-17 he flew in was ALSO RAN - STILL RUNNING. A photo of Leonard [kneeling second from right], the nose art of his B-17, and his Squadron Insignia are all pictured below. I figured it only fitting that this car should somehow be associated with his B-17.







1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
raycow 
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02-28-17 12:18 PM - Post#2678966    
    In response to RAM_51

That's quite an amazing story, and your chosen name for the car is a well-deserved tribute to its former owner.

Ray

There's a line between good and evil no wider than a razor's edge - D.S. James Hathaway quoting from The Night Keeper


 
RAM_51 
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02-28-17 09:32 PM - Post#2679076    
    In response to raycow

Thanks Ray...the seller wanted me to call it the "Incredible LS"...I wasn't real enthusiastic with that so decided to do a little research...was glad I did.

1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
RAM_51 
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03-04-17 08:59 PM - Post#2679720    
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Back when I had an some additional floor space added to my shop, I decided, since I would be having a slab poured, to go ahead and put anchor pots in the floor. This goes back to my auto body days and, although it is a system that may be a little past its prime, it is still an effective way of anchoring a car and doing either frame or body pulls. That said, I placed 24 pots in the concrete slab. I had never used them until this ’51 Fleetline arrived. In fact, I had only chipped one out to inspect how they were going to look in the floor. I had to chip out an additional two to get this car into the shop. Because of the snow, the car was dropped at a somewhat awkward angle in relation to the shop door. I uncovered one pot nearest the overhead door, hooked to the rear crossmember, and with the aid of a cargo strap and come-along, began winching the car toward the door. I was fortunate as the snow pack actually allowed the car to slide sideways to a certain degree which lined it up to the door a little better. Once the car was near the opening, I chipped out another pot toward the rear of the shop, re-hooked to the car, and began the winching operation once more. In about an hour, the car was secure inside the shop. Not bad considering I was working completely alone.
















1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
RAM_51 
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03-04-17 09:41 PM - Post#2679726    
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One of the first things that concerned me was the fact that this car came without any keys. There was no lock cylinder in the trunk lid and the ignition was in the unlocked/on position. When I was cleaning out the trunk I was fortunate enough to find the trunk lock cylinder. That was a pleasant find. I bought a door handle gasket set and a set of GM blank keys on-line and while waiting for those to arrive dropped the left door handle out to obtain the key code. I took the door handle and the key blanks to the locale lock smith. A half hour and 28 bucks and some change later, I walked out with two sets of keys and one of their in store blanks that the lock smith used for the initial cut according to the code. Fairly quick and easy operation when you have the code. The ignition, glove box, doors and trunk all lock and unlock with no problems at all.









1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
Bel Air kiwi 
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03-08-17 06:03 PM - Post#2680433    
    In response to RAM_51

Hi Ram. How about getting a couple of those squadron insignia stickers and putting on the front guards behind the wheels. Just distress them a little and stick them on. Maybe something about 4-5" diameter.
Or you could get an old school sign writer to do something.

Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars


 
RAM_51 
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03-10-17 01:25 PM - Post#2680755    
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  • Bel Air kiwi Said:
Or you could get an old school sign writer to do something.


I worked as a "Wall Dog" in the sign industry from 1975-1984...and for a very short time about 10 years ago here in Washington state. The sign industry in the 70s-80 was extremely paint driven. Now-a-days, it is mostly vinyl driven. I've seen very talented sign painters hand letter signs, and I've seen computer driven plotters cut vinyl lettering. My thinking was to put a trunk display together including a statement and the three images above.


1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
56sedandelivery 
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03-11-17 05:41 PM - Post#2680949    
    In response to RAM_51

How are you going to go about getting a title? Bonded title? I have a friend who's a former bodyman/painter. He has a HUGE shop at his remote home, that has a bunch of floor pots for pulling body panels and frames. He's not very healthy now at 76, and has sold virtually all his tools, and is left with a vacant shop. He's actually the guy that got me "drafted" into the Handler's Racing Association, the all volunteer, non-profit group that has operated Bremerton Raceway since 1959. My own garage/shop in my back yard has a slight incline to get to the higher level back yard; I have a chain cemented in the gravel driveway 4 feet deep that I've used to pull cars up with using a come-a-long; not a fun experience at all! It's a LOT of work to do that all alone, and even with my nephew helping out one time, still a job. BUT, I recently bought a 110 volt Warn winch, and can't wait to try it out!!! It has a much longer cable to work with, and NO more wearing yourself out. I like your Fleetline, and it's a great color. I miss my 51 Bus Coupe.
I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
RAM_51 
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03-12-17 02:23 PM - Post#2681093    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

  • 56sedandelivery Said:
How are you going to go about getting a title? Bonded title?


I believe it would be a bonded title. I think that it is called "Ownership in doubt". RCW 46.12.680. The car gets registered, but I don't get the title until a 3 year waiting period has elapsed.

LINK:
http://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=46.12....

I put 24 pots in the new slab in the addition. I really can't do too much without a hydraulic post though...small things; yes, big stuff; no. To do this, I first laid out where I wanted the pots to be, then set them first using wood and tar paper shims. Then on the open sides, I forced concrete under the metal plate. When that set, I removed the shims and forced concrete under the remaining open portions. Rebar was also placed on top of the metal plates connecting the pots together at 90° angles before the pour.








CHAMP'S TEN TON TOWER...nice to have...about $1200

1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
RAM_51 
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03-12-17 07:35 PM - Post#2681146    
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Back to the car. This Fleetline was sold and shipped without hood springs and the seller put incorrect bolts in the hinges just to get it across country. I purchased a set of correct shouldered bolts but was a little concerned about where I would obtain replacement springs as there were some complaints in the main forum. I noticed that the Filling Station was selling a set of springs for 1949-52 and another set for 1953-54 at different prices. I thought maybe the complaints were because they had gotten the wrong hood spring for their application. In any event, something wasn't adding up so I decided to do some research. After finding the correct section [the Ready Reference has them listed as Group Number 8.018 when in actuality they are Group Number 8.013] I discovered the following:



Armed with this information I hit eBay looking for Chevrolet hood springs with the required 23 coils. Most of the ones I found had 28 coils; new AND used ones seemed to have 28. I finally found a used set that did have 23 coils and bought them. I used a set of spring stretchers that I made way back in the 1990. These work well when you are initially installing hood springs, but once in, the RE-BAR spring extractor/installer can't be beat; I have a set of those as well. The only thing you need to be aware of is where you position the hose clamp so that you can easily loosen it once the spring is in place.





The hood now opens and closes properly and seems to stay open in a high position without much difficulty; even higher than the hood on my other '51.



1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
raycow 
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03-13-17 08:08 AM - Post#2681218    
    In response to RAM_51

RAM, your spring stretchers are brilliant! If they are cut from tubing, what diameter and wall thickness do you find works best?

Ray

There's a line between good and evil no wider than a razor's edge - D.S. James Hathaway quoting from The Night Keeper


 
RAM_51 
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03-13-17 07:29 PM - Post#2681363    
    In response to raycow

These were the type that were around in the 90s. I remember being stymied by the tool that is shown in the shop manual. I can't honestly remember where I got the idea or who was selling these but I decided to fashion a set for myself since I had access to a MIG welder. They are 1-3/4" tailpipe...the same that you can get from about any muffler shop. I remember buying a 24" section, cutting it to about 2 eight inch sections, welding the washers on the ends, then with a fresh hack saw blade, cutting them apart lengthwise. Wall thickness is 16 gauge, which I think is fairly normal for a tailpipe.

Here are a few other things I discovered. Both the hood springs on my '50 and '51 are the 28 coil springs. In my opinion the 23 coil springs seem to work much better and the hood seems to stay open much higher. All these springs seem to have about a 2" circumference. If you are having trouble with your hood not staying open high enough, If you can, find a set of 23 coil springs. They seemed to have worked out great for me.



1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
RAM_51 
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03-14-17 11:25 AM - Post#2681493    
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  • RAM_51 Said:
All these springs seem to have about a 2" circumference.


That should read "diameter". So perhaps a 2" diameter pipe would work better.

1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
raycow 
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03-14-17 12:51 PM - Post#2681503    
    In response to RAM_51

RAM, thank you for the info. A set of these is now definitely on my project list. Also, I have to add that yours are the first of this type that I have ever seen anywhere.

Ray

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56sedandelivery 
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03-14-17 05:47 PM - Post#2681562    
    In response to raycow

There's a fairly simple tool on E-Bay for the 49-54 hood springs made with angle iron and heavy duty washers. I am Butch/56sedandelivery.




 
RAM_51 
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03-14-17 07:32 PM - Post#2681582    
    In response to 56sedandelivery

I've seen that type...I guess eBay is where I saw it. Chevsofthe40s and the FillingStation sell kind of a box shaped set as well. While I was in the Filling Station catalog and at the hood spring section, I did a visual comparison of the hood springs that are pictured. I had to use a magnifying glass to do this but the FS 760 (1953-54) hood springs count out to 23 coils. While the FS 759 (1949-52) have a coil count of 28. Just an FYI.

1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
RAM_51 
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03-18-17 05:00 PM - Post#2682125    
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When I dropped the left door handle to have the car rekeyed, I noticed that the rear portion of the left door had been repainted. The paint was a very good match, but it was obvious that the handle and the belt moulding had not been removed prior to repainting and there are also some fairly heavy sand scratches in the finish. I believe the discoloration and paint loss on the left door is a result most likely of the reaction between the lead filler or flux that was used on the repair. Given the fact that the paint match is so good and that the reaction to the filler, I would guess that this repair was done early on as opposed to in the 60s as more than likely plastic filler would have been used then. I'm not sure the paint match would have been as good either. The last photo shows the paint area buffed around the cleaned and reinstalled door handle. As stated earlier I also installed new gaskets between the handle and door.








1951 Fleetline
1951 Fleetline DeLuxe 2 DOOR SEDAN
1951 Styleline Special BUSINESS COUPE (Shadow Gray)
1953 6500 Dump Bed (Oxidized Red, Formally Juniper Green)
1950 Styleline DeLuxe 4 DOOR SEDAN (Mist Green)


 
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