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Username Post: 64 NON-console shifter boot        (Topic#341804)
DZAUTO 
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01-09-17 09:22 PM - Post#2670378    

Does anyone have a good picture of the shifter boot that was used on 64 cars WITHOUT a console (boot for a bench seat)? Or, can you tell me where I can find a good picture of such a boot?



 
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blkss64 
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01-09-17 10:53 PM - Post#2670397    
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Hello. 64 impalas are my thing so here goes.

The factory used the same boot and mounting ring for all full sized Chevys in 64.

Where the 63 and older used a plate formed to the floor for the 4 speed shifter opening, the 64's had their shifter opening cut with a torch. The opening is quite small.

Over this opening, the shift boot was installed with body sealer and the metal ring.

From there, if it was an SS, the carpet and console were installed over the floor and shifter.

On the bench seat 4 speed cars, a hole was cut into the carpet the size of the boot ring, then a vinyl trim ring was installed in the opening of the carpet around the shifter. The color of the carpet ring matched the color of the carpet.

Currently only a few of the colors of the ring are being reproduced.
The Chevy II used the same carpet ring in 64 as well.

I restored two 64 bench seat 4 speed cars before the carpet rings were ever reproduced, very hard part to find back in the day.

Not advertising the following suppliers/companies but they have the parts and pictures you need to look at.

Show Cars has all of these parts and pictures.
Part #3634 Shift boot
Part #5313 Boot ring
Part #8490 Trim ring

Classic Industries picture of the boot is better if that is all you need.
Part #W2109.

In summary, the "lower" shift boot is the only boot ever used. Ugly with the seam in the middle of the boot but that is what was done.

Jon



Edited by blkss64 on 01-09-17 10:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
DZAUTO 
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01-10-17 09:16 AM - Post#2670432    
    In response to blkss64

Thanks, but nope that's not it. The one I'm looking for is round.



 
DZAUTO 
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01-10-17 09:24 AM - Post#2670435    
    In response to DZAUTO

FOUND IT at Eklers Late Great Chevy parts, pert number is 40-139445-1.

This is what it's for, the shifter on my 23 T-bucket.







 
blkss64 
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01-10-17 10:47 AM - Post#2670443    
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Sorry, but that round boot was 1963 and back for a bench seat. Lotsa mislabeled part descriptions out there. They never used a round boot for 64's, bench seat, SS , Bel Air or Biscayne.



 
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01-10-17 12:14 PM - Post#2670452    
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Good to know they make the ring. I made one from scratch from a piece of sheetmetal a long time ago, probably before they were reproduced. Bent the edges up slightly inside and out so it wouldn't cut the rubber as I think the factory ones were. Turned out good but took time with hand tools.

Brian
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blkss64 
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01-10-17 01:26 PM - Post#2670464    
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I always wondered why they chose to eliminate the large plate and hole in the floor for the 64 model that they used on the 63 and prior model years. Probably just a cost cutting move on the final year of the body design. I n my restorations, I was never able to find any nos carpet trim rings. Found boots, shifters, linkage, boot rings, etc .



 
DZAUTO 
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01-10-17 02:02 PM - Post#2670469    
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  • blkss64 Said:
Sorry, but that round boot was 1963 and back for a bench seat. Lotsa mislabeled part descriptions out there. They never used a round boot for 64's, bench seat, SS , Bel Air or Biscayne.



Yes, it's good to know that the round one was not used in 64. But, the bottom line is that the round boot is the one I need for the T-bucket. Even though it says Ford on the front and back ------------------------- -- EVERYTHING in between is Chevy.
Like the old saying "Built Ford tough with Chevy stuff!"



 
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01-10-17 04:06 PM - Post#2670485    
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  • blkss64 Said:
..........Lotsa mislabeled part descriptions out there..........



Thanks for your expertise. I have run into this kind of mis-labeling from vendors for many years. Some of the enthusiast car magazines are worse.

Here's to us old guys who've been around when these cars were new... who lusted after them when we were teens... and who loved them when it wasn't cool... and restored them when it didn't make financial sense!

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01-10-17 04:55 PM - Post#2670491    
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I believe I have an NOS at home but won't be home for a few weeks.

Rich



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real61SS 
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01-10-17 07:03 PM - Post#2670514    
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A 64 boot would not have worked properly anyway with that shift lever. A 64 boot would have a larger hole because the shift lever would have been the larger lever that was used with the Muncie transmission. Neat little car you have there, Tom

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63 Pontiac Catalina 421/4speed


Edited by real61SS on 01-10-17 07:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
blkss64 
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01-10-17 08:53 PM - Post#2670532    
    In response to paintman

Shift boot, ring or carpet trim ring?



 
DZAUTO 
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01-12-17 12:30 PM - Post#2670768    
    In response to blkss64

I got the boot today---------------EXACT LY what I wanted for the shifter in the T-bucket. BUUUUUUUUUUUUUT, the repo is not nearly as thick and heavy as the original boot. I just hope it lasts for a few years.



 
blkss64 
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01-12-17 01:22 PM - Post#2670779    
    In response to DZAUTO

Do you know if the old boot was a GM original part?



 
DZAUTO 
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01-12-17 01:29 PM - Post#2670780    
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  • blkss64 Said:
Do you know if the old boot was a GM original part?



When I pull it off I'll check for a part number and GM logo and let you know.



 
DZAUTO 
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01-12-17 05:54 PM - Post#2670816    
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OK, the new boot (from Eklers Late Great Chevys) is in, and the quality is disappointing ------------------- BUT I NEEDED A BOOT because the old one had a 2in split and you could see the ground through it!
This is the boot that was in the T-bucket and as can be seen, the old boot has a flange which covers the retainer ring and 6 screws.



I thoroughly examined the old boot and could not find any kind of embossed/raised part number nor any GM logo. The old boot is on the left and as can be seen it is a thinner,flimsier material. We'll see how long and how well it holds up.









This is the new boot, installed, and as also can be seen, it does not cover the retainer ring and screws like the old one did.



Again, I'm not real happy with the new boot ----------------- BUT I HAD TO HAVE A NEW BOOT!!



 
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01-12-17 10:05 PM - Post#2670879    
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Maybe, just maybe the new one is made from a tougher rubber than the old one. I guess you'll find out.

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01-14-17 05:47 AM - Post#2671099    
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Tom, in a 63, the rubber boot and ring was bolted to the metal pan, then the carpet came down over the metal plate and covered it. It is tricky to get the hole in the carpet in the right place and the right size.
BTW, that gauge you can see the corner of is one gauge with both temp and oil pressure. Its a Smith and in the 62 Chevy it fit in the stock location for the clock. This is my Pontiac, dash has no easy place for the gauge, so it's hanging there for now.
For people wanting one gauge instead of 2, the Smith is a very well made unit.


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Edited by DonSSDD on 01-14-17 05:52 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-14-17 12:30 PM - Post#2671145    
    In response to DonSSDD

I LIKE THAT GAUGE!!!! Can you give me some more information on it?



 
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01-14-17 12:35 PM - Post#2671146    
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Never mind, I found them!



 
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01-14-17 01:33 PM - Post#2671157    
    In response to blkss64

Shift boot and maybe ring, would have to check.

Rich



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01-14-17 03:22 PM - Post#2671173    
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Thanks



 
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01-15-17 12:05 PM - Post#2671342    
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Tom, I got it off ebay from a guy in England, I still have the contact if you'd like it. They are available in metric and imperial and are a very well made piece, nice and heavy.

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Edited by DonSSDD on 01-15-17 12:05 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-15-17 12:12 PM - Post#2671343    
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Imperial.
http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-p8AAOSwZ8ZW -Qag/s-l...




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01-15-17 03:21 PM - Post#2671389    
    In response to DonSSDD

Sorry this is off topic, but I've also fitted one of these Smiths MGB dual gauges in my 62. It's been working great for 6 years and it's reassuring to know what's really going on under the hood.

Attachment: P7200249.JPG (701.72 KB) 8 View(s)




Cheers, Carl.

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01-15-17 07:19 PM - Post#2671435    
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Carl,
That looks really good!!!!!!!!!!!



 
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01-16-17 03:27 AM - Post#2671496    
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Carl, your gauge is the first one I saw and the reason I bought one. I used a "no clock" plate and cut a hole in it as my "bushing", it matches the other 2 gauges.
Tom, the Smith gauge is a tiny amount smaller than the hole in a 62 dash, but the same size as all the stock gauges you buy.

Don

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01-16-17 01:43 PM - Post#2671608    
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I'm very interested to see how that looks Don. Can you post a photo some time?

Cheers, Carl.

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01-17-17 05:59 PM - Post#2671890    
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I no longer have the 62 or a pic of the setup. I also have the Smith installed in my 63 in a regular "rack" so I couldn't take a pic with it. But I did take a pic of the setup with a off the shelf gauge, plus an idiot light setup. I cut the center out of one of the blanks from a 62 with no clock.
The Smith gauge has a much smaller lip than this off the shelf one, so it looks much better than this. I plan on installing the 62 idiot light gauge in the 63 on a 2 gauge rack, once I get around to it. That will give me oil pressure and temp lights and gauges.




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Edited by DonSSDD on 01-17-17 06:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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01-18-17 07:04 AM - Post#2671967    
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I am going to remove my clock and install the Smith dual gauge in that opening. I can then also retain the cold hot light gauge in its original opening. I have a clock delete plate that I will cut the center out.

That will be a February project and I'll post pics when complete.

Rich



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