cp sizemore
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10-18-14 05:55 AM - Post#2491775
Have a 50 Belair original 216 3 on tree.Bought a 235 from a 54 powerglide that needs rebuilt.T216 still runs good so I'LL drive it for now.Found a bellhousing and flywheel that was taken from a 54 truck.Casting#GM3702831 ON BH.#on flywheel is3704832.Got an engine stand so, ready to start teardown.QUESTION;Will these bolt up to my 54 235 from a car so that I can get it on stand to rebuild.Also,any other suggestions would be helpful.THANKS in advance
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 one4dad
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10-18-14 06:01 AM - Post#2491778
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You can use the 216 bell housing and clutch assembly on the 235 . Make sure when you rebuild the 235 that the crank has been bored to accept the pilot bushing, as not all were. Bill
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cp sizemore
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10-18-14 06:10 AM - Post#2491781
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Tanks for the info but,Iwant to run the 216 while I rebuild the 235 on the stand.So, I need to get another bh and flywheel to mount it.
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Rustchips
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10-18-14 06:30 AM - Post#2491787
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You should not need a Bell housing and flywheel to mount the engine on a stand for rebuilding.
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10-18-14 07:12 AM - Post#2491794
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I kind of wonder if a cast bdll housing coud actually handle 675 pounds hanging off an engine stand. Informaiton is correct, the 216 bell housing and flywheel will fit and you do not need the bell housing to mount the engine on the stand. 
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10-18-14 07:49 AM - Post#2491801
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My 261 spent several years on this Pep Boys stand with no adverse effects. I did prop a vertical 2X4 under the front to keep it from sagging but I probably could have gotten away without it. It's a 1,000 pound stand.
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10-18-14 09:05 AM - Post#2491805
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After I bolted the engine to the stand and before I took the weight for the hoist, I welded the brackets to the stand plate. I was leery, even with grade 8 bolts.
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cp sizemore
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10-18-14 09:15 AM - Post#2491811
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THANKS,GUYS,THINK I WILL JUST DO AS SUGGESTED AND MOUNT IT THE STAND AS IS.YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.THANKS TO ALL 
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10-18-14 09:58 AM - Post#2491823
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When you eventually do the 235 swap, use the 216 bellhousing and the 54 flywheel. It is drilled for the later type clutch which is MUCH better than the 216 clutch that was used 1938-53. Btw, that flywheel is a 1-1/2 year only part and is quite scarce. l955 (2nd design) and later flywheels use the good clutch but have a 12 volt ring gear, which means you would need to use a 12 volt starter with them because of the tooth pitch difference.
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10-18-14 10:03 AM - Post#2491824
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I often use a "donor bell-housings" to mount 216-235 (hi &lo psi versions) to engine stands.
The reason: the larger engine stand(s) sometimes have an odd spindly mount that fits the bell housing wider bolt pattern better then than narrower bolt hole pattern on the engines' rear.
As the motor gets stripped down to bare block ; I personally find it easier to man-handle the engine with the bell-housing still attached {because I often drop the bare engine block (or valve heads) to a "wheeled dollie" http://www.harborfreight.com/2-piece-1500-lb-capac ... to move, store, or send to engine machine shop }
Use very high grade quality made nuts and bolts ( Grade 8) on the stand-to-engine mount (replace the ones that come with any Chinese made engine stands).
Then always carefully use Xtra , ALWAYS, use an xtra prop or support to hold up the front of the engine with any stand. The long Chevy Six cantilevered weight on an engine stand is an accident waiting to happen. I cut a wooden 4"x4" with a little wood base to go under the front engine mounts (or pulley), OR use a safety strap (come-along ect) securely hung from your garage ceiling thence attached to the front of the engine.
Why the extra front support? Because someone may inadvertently lean (or add some object) on that engine and it may tip over. (I have seen it happen  )
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10-18-14 10:50 AM - Post#2491835
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i would not recomend bolting a bellhousing to an engine stand to hang an engine off it. it is risky to say the least. if you do not do risky things of this sort regularly, it makes it even more risky. even just the length of a staight six block makes the whole thing unstable. even if you are very careful about doing this, there may be someone else that comes along that isnt. they may come up with a great idea to (help out) and disaster strikes. aside from health and safety, bolting a bellhousing to an engine is not a cut and dried job. checking it for alignment to the crank centerline is highly recomended. a 3-d alignment check and correction will ensure smooth and proper clutch, transmission operation and life. i have seen where some people only dial the bellhousing in on a two dimensional axis. that will get you only half way there.the face of the bellhousing that the trans bolts to needs to be square to the world as well. this job can be very time consuming and tedious. its best done with the main bearings that will be used in the finished engine. some folks will say that all this is just a waste of time cause they have never done it and never had a problem...maybe they havent done enough of these to know the difference. if you put the engine in and have clutch problems, the correction will not be fun. best to git er done and know its right.
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10-20-14 09:10 AM - Post#2492275
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I kind of wonder if a cast bdll housing coud actually handle 675 pounds hanging off an engine stand. Informaiton is correct, the 216 bell housing and flywheel will fit and you do not need the bell housing to mount the engine on the stand.
it can...for 6 years now.
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10-20-14 10:37 AM - Post#2492288
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I kind of wonder if a cast bdll housing coud actually handle 675 pounds hanging off an engine stand. Informaiton is correct, the 216 bell housing and flywheel will fit and you do not need the bell housing to mount the engine on the stand.
it can...for 6 years now.
That answers the question. 
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