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Username Post: 2ndtime50guy --- 2 door 1950 Styleline Deluxe        (Topic#309930)
2blu52 
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04-07-14 04:31 AM - Post#2442606    
    In response to Bob_Hayden

  • Bob_Hayden Said:
I would like to see the bulging with nests headliner!!! LOL


I don't know about where the car is located but having one in Montana loaded with mice nests is a chance for exposure to the Hanta Virus. Not good stuff.

"PEACE IS THAT GLORIUS MOMENT IN HISTORY WHEN EVERY ONE STANDS AROUND RELOADING"

THOMAS JEFFERSON


 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-07-14 12:41 PM - Post#2442716    
    In response to 2blu52

I just want to reassure everyone that I am wearing a heavy duty respirator mask with filters (not the cheap paper disposable thing) and am following all the proper safety precautions including, spraying the 1:10 bleach solution, wearing eye protection, gloves, and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway! Also, I don't plan on going to Midas for any freebies. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that. Thanks for always looking out for me guys.

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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bobg1951chevy 
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04-07-14 02:08 PM - Post#2442741    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

"I just want to reassure everyone that I am wearing a heavy duty respirator mask with filters (not the cheap paper disposable thing) and am following all the proper safety precautions including, spraying the 1:10 bleach solution, wearing eye protection, gloves, and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway!"

Heck, I remember dressing that way when I dated a certain girl in college.

Before anyone says it .... yes, there were colleges back then.

Bob G.

1951 Styleline Deluxe 2 dr sedan. 1955 235" 3 speed std.
1951 Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. 1962 246" 3 speed std. o/d.










 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-07-14 02:15 PM - Post#2442743    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

How many years are you celebrating this year?

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4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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bobg1951chevy 
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04-07-14 02:24 PM - Post#2442747    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
How many years are you celebrating this year?




Years of what?


Bob G.

1951 Styleline Deluxe 2 dr sedan. 1955 235" 3 speed std.
1951 Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. 1962 246" 3 speed std. o/d.










 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-07-14 03:02 PM - Post#2442759    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

Marriage, I assumed you married your college sweetheart.

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bobg1951chevy 
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04-07-14 03:06 PM - Post#2442761    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
Marriage, I assumed you married your college sweetheart.



No ..... the one in college was "no ones sweetheart".


Bob G.

1951 Styleline Deluxe 2 dr sedan. 1955 235" 3 speed std.
1951 Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. 1962 246" 3 speed std. o/d.










 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-07-14 03:37 PM - Post#2442768    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

Ah, I guess I missed the joke you were making. Now I get it!

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bobg1951chevy 
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04-07-14 03:44 PM - Post#2442770    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
Ah, I guess I missed the joke you were making. Now I get it!



Ah, OK. Guess the joke wasn't funny .. but I do remember that girl.


Bob G.

1951 Styleline Deluxe 2 dr sedan. 1955 235" 3 speed std.
1951 Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. 1962 246" 3 speed std. o/d.










 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-07-14 04:00 PM - Post#2442774    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

I was seeing it from the other angle, that she was the gal who ended up marrying you, despite all the time you spent with cars or something to that effect. Last summer when I was flushing rust out of the water jacket and cleaning out the oil pan, I had a face only a wife could love! I'll see if I can did up that pic. It's funny!

Two 1950s:
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4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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AngieWeaver 
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04-07-14 09:12 PM - Post#2442827    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

I can relate. It was dead of winter when I was working on mine so I had on my military surplus hat with ear flaps....and I would look in the mirror and see this black face, white eyes where my goggles were and hair all messed up fom that hat. I was quite a site. But hey, thats me.

Glad to hear you are taking precautions. Hantavirus does really suck. I wouldnt wish it on my worst enemy.

On the midas thing, thats good to hear. I always think honesty is best. If it were in your name and yoou explained it honestly and they replaced it then I would consider it ok...anything else is dishonest.



1951 Business Coupe
1957 Chevy 3100 project
1973 Camaro type LT
2003 GMC 2500 8.1L4X4
2005 3500 Silverado Duramax DRW
2015 Corvette Z06 DSOM w/kalahari brown
Mopars and a few parts cars
http://www.AmericanClassicMetalPicke rs.com


 
DanD1950 
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04-08-14 02:45 AM - Post#2442843    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

  • 2ndtime50guy Said:
and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway!



What about disposable coveralls; I use them here at the shop when I know I'm getting into something really grimy. They're pretty durable and there's a built in hoodie; to stop crap from going down your back.
Most automotive parts stores sell them.

Dan


50 Styleline Deluxe, 2 Door Sedan, Was a 216cu", Three Speed Manual. She now has a 4.8Lt V8 LR4 injected engine, 4L60E 4 speed automatic, 10 bolt diff 342 gear with an Eaton C80 Locker



 
2blu52 
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Age: 84
Loc: Montana
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04-08-14 05:16 AM - Post#2442880    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

  • bobg1951chevy Said:
"I just want to reassure everyone that I am wearing a heavy duty respirator mask with filters (not the cheap paper disposable thing) and am following all the proper safety precautions including, spraying the 1:10 bleach solution, wearing eye protection, gloves, and throwing away my work clothes when I'm done--they're getting pretty funky anyway!"

Heck, I remember dressing that way when I dated a certain girl in college.

Before anyone says it .... yes, there were colleges back then.


I remember both, girls and I had heard about colleges but never seen one!

"PEACE IS THAT GLORIUS MOMENT IN HISTORY WHEN EVERY ONE STANDS AROUND RELOADING"

THOMAS JEFFERSON


 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-10-14 05:06 PM - Post#2443555    
    In response to 2blu52

Hi guys! I can't seem to get the 1st timer to start now. When I did get it to start last week, I noticed that the rotor pointed to about 7 o'clock for the U/C mark and the octane selector was advanced (not by me) about as far as it could be--like ten degrees or whatever. In order to get it to "catch" on start up I had to loosen the distributor clamp and advance the distributor as far as possible (until the grease cap was hitting the vacuum advance and couldn't advance any further). Is it possible that my distributor is inserted one or two teeth off on the gear?

Also, possibly due to poor judgement on my part, I was running the original 6 volt coil via a new ballast resistor I installed on the firewall. Is it possible that I was only able to get the car started twice in this set up, and have now burnt up the coil if it's internally resisted instead of externally? I know these are kind of dumb questions, and that I've already been through all this before, but now I'm second guessing everything I've ever learned and I feel I have forgotten something in the past two years. I've added a new distributor cap, a new condenser, new points, and a new rotor to the mix. I've tested the coil and the condenser using instructions given me here. I get a bright test light on both the positive and negative terminals of the coil with the points open, no light on the positive and a dim light on the negative with the points closed, and when I disconnect the coil wire to the center of the cap, I get a nice spark between the points when I flick them open with a non-metallic object, in this case a plastic ball point pen cap. All of my plug wires test good for continuity, my plugs are clean and gapped at .035, and my battery is freshly charged and borrowed from the 2nd timer. I have a temporary start switch which is wired to the positive terminal (or hot terminal) on the solenoid (where the positive battery cable attaches) and the other end clips onto the small starter switch terminal. I also have my coil wire to the ballast resistor wired onto the same large terminal of the solenoid with the positive battery cable. I will upload a diagram of my temporary ignition harness for you to inspect. Somehow this all worked twice and now it doesn't. And to top things off, now my starter makes that horrible grinding sound about 40% of the time. Gosh I feel like a dumby all over again. Sorry to be a bother. I've been afraid to ask all these questions for the past three days, but I'm at a loss now.

Here is my diagram:



Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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Edited by 2ndtime50guy on 04-10-14 05:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bobg1951chevy 
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04-10-14 06:10 PM - Post#2443577    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

My question is 'why is there a ballast resistor there, on a 6 volt system"?

Bob G.

1951 Styleline Deluxe 2 dr sedan. 1955 235" 3 speed std.
1951 Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. 1962 246" 3 speed std. o/d.










 
raycow 
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04-10-14 08:03 PM - Post#2443591    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

Could 2ndtime be running a 12V battery? If yes, that could explain why he hotwired the coil direct to the solenoid - so the rest of the car doesn't get 12V. If no, that could explain why the engine isn't starting.

Ray

Those who choose an automatic transmission want transportation. Those who choose a manual transmission want to drive.


 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-11-14 02:11 AM - Post#2443635    
    In response to raycow

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
Read my Profile for a Happy Ending!

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2ndtime50guy 
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04-11-14 02:11 AM - Post#2443636    
    In response to raycow

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
Read my Profile for a Happy Ending!

>> My Build Thread <<


 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-11-14 02:11 AM - Post#2443633    
    In response to raycow

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
Read my Profile for a Happy Ending!

>> My Build Thread <<


 
2ndtime50guy 
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Loc: Midwestern U.S.A.
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04-11-14 02:12 AM - Post#2443634    
    In response to raycow

Seeing the condition of the original wiring from sitting in a field, I cut all the old wiring under the hood and wired a temporary starter that will run off a 12 volt battery. I followed the original factory wiring diagram and established that the coil got it's power from the same post on the solenoid, albeit minus a stop at the ammeter first. The car started fine twice. So, in my mind, I have either fried the coil, or, the previous owner (or likely the last repair shop) put the distributor in wrong and had to advance it way too much just to get it to start. I recall that the last time we had it worked on (1993?) that it ran like crap afterward and that's when I started giving up on it for a "younger model". I don't think the PO has touched anything. Just some thoughts. Tomorrow I will advance the octane selector all the way forward again and see what we get. But, according to the tests I have learned here, that coil still checks out and gives me test lights in all the right places. I'll dig up that test that was posted; I forget who wrote it, but it has always worked.

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
Read my Profile for a Happy Ending!

>> My Build Thread <<


 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-11-14 02:17 AM - Post#2443637    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

Sorry that posted 4 times guys. My internet was acting like it was locked up and I didn't want to lose my typing. Oops...COMPUTERS!!!!!!!!

Two 1950s:
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4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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DanD1950 
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04-11-14 04:16 AM - Post#2443646    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

With everything that you said you did; did I miss where you said you checked for spark at the coil wire and or the spark plug wire(s)?
If you haven't, pull the coil wire out of the cap; hold the wire end approx 1/8" way from the engine block and then crank the engine. You should have a fairly strong spark. If so, re-install coil wire and try the same with the spark plug wires at the spark plug end. Stuff a screw driver in the end of the wire and then hold the driver close to the engine. Again you should have spark; but maybe not quite as strong as the coil wire. This is due to the air gap between the dist. cap & rotor.
If you're afraid of getting zapped; you can buy a spark tested at most any parts store.



Dan.

50 Styleline Deluxe, 2 Door Sedan, Was a 216cu", Three Speed Manual. She now has a 4.8Lt V8 LR4 injected engine, 4L60E 4 speed automatic, 10 bolt diff 342 gear with an Eaton C80 Locker



Edited by DanD1950 on 04-11-14 04:37 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bobg1951chevy 
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04-11-14 05:48 AM - Post#2443665    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

If the car ran several times OK, it is not the timing now.

Follow Dan's thinking.

Bob G.

1951 Styleline Deluxe 2 dr sedan. 1955 235" 3 speed std.
1951 Styleline Deluxe Sport Coupe. 1962 246" 3 speed std. o/d.










 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-11-14 06:16 AM - Post#2443670    
    In response to bobg1951chevy

Thanks everyone! I will give that shot tomorrow afternoon and let you know how it turns out!

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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AngieWeaver 
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04-11-14 07:03 PM - Post#2443817    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

You may want to check that little insulator where the wire bolts to the dist....mine was broken and black taped....looked fine and my cousin said it ran like that....but I had to change it to get mine to fire. Even after I was told to look at it by experts here I almost missed it because it was so nicely wrapped with the black tape I thought it was ok....then I looked closer with a light and saw the line of the tape.

1951 Business Coupe
1957 Chevy 3100 project
1973 Camaro type LT
2003 GMC 2500 8.1L4X4
2005 3500 Silverado Duramax DRW
2015 Corvette Z06 DSOM w/kalahari brown
Mopars and a few parts cars
http://www.AmericanClassicMetalPicke rs.com


 
Bob_Hayden 
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04-11-14 07:22 PM - Post#2443819    
    In response to AngieWeaver

LOL Angie, He nows about that!!!! Bet that is the first thing he checked!! LOL LOL


Bob Hayden's 54 Chevy, 350 Engine with TH400 Tranny and 94 4X4 Blazer Rear End with 3:23 gears.(FINISHED PICS) </a> My 54 Albums

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2ndtime50guy 
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04-12-14 03:06 AM - Post#2443849    
    In response to Bob_Hayden

That was the first thing I checked because it happened on the 2nd timer too! Bob is the guy who made the discovery...over the phone, no less!

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
Read my Profile for a Happy Ending!

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AngieWeaver 
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04-12-14 06:59 AM - Post#2443884    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

Lol, disregard that then. Electrical gremlins.....arrrgh. Good luck figuring it out.

1951 Business Coupe
1957 Chevy 3100 project
1973 Camaro type LT
2003 GMC 2500 8.1L4X4
2005 3500 Silverado Duramax DRW
2015 Corvette Z06 DSOM w/kalahari brown
Mopars and a few parts cars
http://www.AmericanClassicMetalPicke rs.com


 
2ndtime50guy 
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04-12-14 02:52 PM - Post#2443995    
    In response to AngieWeaver

GREAT NEWS! I bought a new 12V External Resistor coil (NAPA ECH IC10--like I have on 2nd timer) and six new AC Delco R45 Plugs. The coil to cap wire tested ok but looked ratty, so I put on my old one from the 2nd timer and we suddenly had excellent spark! BUT, the car still wouldn't start. So, I put the octane selector back to ADVANCED Ten Degrees (maybe a little more) and now SHE TURNS OVER EASY EVERY TIME! Boom! We barely even have to crank her. AND, we got her to run for about 30 seconds at a good idle and she sounds BETTER than 2nd timer...like 52,000 miles younger/better!! Now she just needs a new fuel line and fuel pump. I blew all the crap out of the fuel line back to where the tank is now gone, clamped on some leftover fuel hose from 2nd timer, and plugged her into a gas can. The result: fuel pump is dead as a door nail. It couldn't pull my finger for a fart joke, so to speak. Great day! All this on top of my advanced band getting a Gold rating at contest this morning and my intermediate band getting Gold last night. God is good (and so is my wife for letting me buy some parts today!)

Murph

Two 1950s:
2 Door Styleline Deluxe
4 Door Styleline Deluxe
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Bob_Hayden 
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04-12-14 07:23 PM - Post#2444051    
    In response to 2ndtime50guy

Glad you got her running Tim!!!! I am going to get over there this summer sometime and see 1st Timer!!!

Bob Hayden's 54 Chevy, 350 Engine with TH400 Tranny and 94 4X4 Blazer Rear End with 3:23 gears.(FINISHED PICS) </a> My 54 Albums

2014 Silverado Double cab (BLUE)


 
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