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Username Post: Jag front / Nova rear        (Topic#290131)
DADS53 
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Loc: Yakima Valley WA
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11-27-12 10:43 PM - Post#2292923    

Just getting back into my project when I see there's a Jag sedan near me for $400 on the windshield. I hadn't planned on updating my '53 front-end but if for just a hundred or so, I might set it aside so it doesn't go to the crusher just yet and decide later what to do.
Anything I should watch out for on the front-end?
Are there advantages sans PS & discs the Jag has over the stock chevy?

Nova rear-end & springs are under my '53 and ride height looks good; just need to fab up the mounts along with the O.D. trans mount then I can dream about next summer all winter. No garage makes for darned cold wrenches.

It's not about the car.


 
Cruzin Okie 
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Cruzin Okie
Loc: Jay, Oklahoma
Reg: 10-26-11
11-27-12 11:15 PM - Post#2292930    
    In response to DADS53

I think the guys you need to talk to are 53chevy, Vandanplas, or maybe Fireman.

I do know only certain models will work. I used an 89 XJS. The XJS will work thru 1992. The XJ6 and XJ12 will ony work thru 1986.

I kept the sway bar, power steering hoses and the power steering pump for mine. The pump is a GM, and I know the pressure will be right. Of Course I got the IRS too.

Hopes this helps

Johnnie

1950 styleline deluxe sports coupe, 350 cid, TH 400, nova rear end. Gen IV Vintage air. SOLD!
1953 210 4 Door, 235 with Powerglide. All original except for the 1954 hood bird.

John 3:16



 
gwarren007 
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11-27-12 11:16 PM - Post#2292931    
    In response to DADS53

I'll bite.

Caveats-
parts are not as available as you might need them-bushings/ball joints may need to be ordered

welding or fabrication may be needed for it to fit

pro- (other than the PS, Discs)
Should lower front end 4-5"



 
rrausch 
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11-28-12 05:16 AM - Post#2292960    
    In response to gwarren007

My experience is dated, but when I rebuilt a '76 XJ12 front suspension in the 1990's everything was readily available, and not real expensive at all.

1953 210 Convertible, 261 with dual Carter YF 966S carbs, P.S., Remote Bendix P.B. Booster... shade-tree restoration about done.




 
gwarren007 
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11-28-12 06:09 AM - Post#2292974    
    In response to rrausch

I looked up a 1985 XJ6 at autozone for the front end parts and most were a 2-3 day order here in tucson.



 
VANDENPLAS 
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11-28-12 06:29 AM - Post#2292977    
    In response to gwarren007

ALL PARTS ARE READILY AVAIABLE,SERIES2 OR 3 XJ12 OR XJ6 WORK MINT.72-86. IN CANADA UP TO 92!

front calipers.easy rebuilt,ball joints can be shimmed to remove play!,and bushings are easy to do.
the only thing that can be pricey is a pwr steering rack rebuild.

there are 2 holes on the jag clip that lineup with the cars frame. there are different ways to do this,some guys cut the big jaguar mounting bushings off the front and bolt it up by where the engine mounts (jag clip to the cars original frame mounting holes) works very well.
i did mine basicly the same except i save the bushings and put a plate across the front of the cars frame with some c channel to bolt the bushings to.

unfortunalty it does not lower the car much if at all (maybe 1-2")

the biggest upgrades are power rack and penut steering 4 piston brakes and modern suspension.

and dont be scared cause its a jaguar,parts are not that expensive,these things are built like tanks so stuff does not wear out fast.

replace the rack bushings with a/m ones this is the single best upgrade you can do to these cars.

" The chain in those handcuffs is made of high tensile steel. It will take you ten minutes to hack through it with this, if your lucky. You can hack through your ankle in fivei



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Cruzin Okie 
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Cruzin Okie
Loc: Jay, Oklahoma
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11-28-12 07:11 AM - Post#2292990    
    In response to DADS53

I bought a kit to rebuild my Jag front end before I install it, and It was cheaper than the Parts to rebuild my stock one. The parts are all over the internet and local aotu supply. Also as I stated earlier the XJS is the same thru 1992. I did a search before I started and checked part numbers for all parts and they match.

Johnnie

1950 styleline deluxe sports coupe, 350 cid, TH 400, nova rear end. Gen IV Vintage air. SOLD!
1953 210 4 Door, 235 with Powerglide. All original except for the 1954 hood bird.

John 3:16



 
VANDENPLAS 
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11-28-12 07:17 AM - Post#2292992    
    In response to Cruzin Okie

good to know johnnie.

i think we spoke of this before.all the stuff i read etc. said the xjs (2 door coupe) sub frame was different then the xj6 or nxj12 (4 door sedan)

guess thats not the case.

we should get this stick'ed
tons of good info.

" The chain in those handcuffs is made of high tensile steel. It will take you ten minutes to hack through it with this, if your lucky. You can hack through your ankle in fivei



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Edited by VANDENPLAS on 11-28-12 07:17 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
53Chevy 
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11-28-12 07:27 AM - Post#2292996    
    In response to VANDENPLAS

You will love the Jag front end. Mine goes down the road straight as an arrow and the brakes are great. We were on the Interstate when a couple deers popped up from the shoulder and I had to hit the brakes hard. If I would have had the old drumm brakes my 53 we would have been wearing a couple deers on the hood.

I had to replace a ball joint and the rack decided to start peeing on the floor before I could drive it. I got the ball joint at our foreign car parts store over the counter. The rack I got from J.C. Whitney. But that's a differant story.

On mine the Jag front end ride height is about the same as the stock height. I plan to change out the springs to lower about 3 in.

Even with all the parts I bought new I had far less money in it than if I would have gone with a Mustang II.

I also have a Nove rear end under the 53. If I was to do it over I would put a Jag rear end under it.

Good luck and have fun. If you should have any questions I would be happy to try to answear them as I know the other guys would be too.



 
50hotrod 
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11-28-12 10:53 AM - Post#2293064    
    In response to DADS53

I'd been looking for an 80's Jag front suspension for my 1950. I was told to carefully check the cross member on any perspective purchase because they tend to rust out. Especially if the vehicle was subjected to any form of salt.

I have not witnessed this first hand, it was just something I was told by a couple of different people. Maybe someone else can chime in on this subject.


Well, you know what's wrong with the world today

People done gone put their Bible's away

They're living by the law of the jungle not the law of the land

"Simple Man" By Charlie Daniels



 
Cruzin Okie 
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11-28-12 12:09 PM - Post#2293102    
    In response to VANDENPLAS

Danial, the guy I got it from deals in Jag. parts. I remembered what you said and I questioned him on it, he looked in the interchange book again and said that it is supposed to change. So keeping in mind it might not I started checking. I looked up the cradle or crossmember on the net and exchanged the XJ6, XJ12 and the XJS and all the parts came up the same.

You know more about these things then I do that's for sure. All I can say is this, "If It doesnt work I will have a completely rebuilt Ifs for sale."

Johnnie

1950 styleline deluxe sports coupe, 350 cid, TH 400, nova rear end. Gen IV Vintage air. SOLD!
1953 210 4 Door, 235 with Powerglide. All original except for the 1954 hood bird.

John 3:16



 
DADS53 
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11-28-12 12:52 PM - Post#2293109    
    In response to Cruzin Okie

I should've stopped when I saw it on Monday because it's gone now. Oh well, back on current project.
Thanks all for your input.

It's not about the car.


 
VANDENPLAS 
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11-28-12 02:19 PM - Post#2293134    
    In response to 50hotrod

hey bouncer the series 4 subframes rotted around the upper control arm mount.

the series 2-3 and xjs did not suffer from this.


too bad teh jags gone,but these are dime a dozen cars when stuff starts going wrong.

i see them all the time for 1500 or less all the time on my local kijiji.

at that price pull the front and rear ends and sell off what ever else still works. you could probably make back all your money with that.

" The chain in those handcuffs is made of high tensile steel. It will take you ten minutes to hack through it with this, if your lucky. You can hack through your ankle in fivei



In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king 👑


 
49Stovebolt 
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Loc: NE Florida
Reg: 11-27-12
12-02-12 02:16 PM - Post#2294348    
    In response to VANDENPLAS

What bolt pattern do you get with the Jag front end?



 
Cruzin Okie 
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Cruzin Okie
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12-02-12 04:32 PM - Post#2294379    
    In response to 49Stovebolt

5 on 4 3/4, same as your 49. That's one of the nice things about the swap. Man, for that kind of money get it and then you can make up your mind.



 
49Stovebolt 
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03-11-13 08:00 PM - Post#2325247    
    In response to VANDENPLAS

Hope you have pics of the Jag front end to the 49. Pls post if possible. Thanks.



 
cruiser craig 
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04-08-14 05:12 AM - Post#2442857    
    In response to DADS53

For a quick visual reference go to '49-54 Build Forum' check out 'cbmkr56' has a build thread on his 50 fleetline. He's got the complete clip off an 85 Jag XJ6 on his.
I've just put the same on my 50 fleetline with the power rack. They are cheaper than you think. Its a lot cheaper thank renewing all the bushes, bearings etc. Just do the maths - it was a no brainer for me.



 
Bel Air kiwi 
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09-14-15 05:17 PM - Post#2575708    
    In response to Cruzin Okie

Hi Guys, Just to clarify the front end interchangeability on these Jag front ends.
The front end only had minor upgrades from 78-79 intro through to 1992 on V12 models only.
For a six cylinder the front end changed a lot about 86 with the introduction of the EFI sixes at 3.6 and 4.0.
The eighties six is a different car from the early ones and had all sorts of issues.

My understanding was the Jaguar people who were a part of British Leyland were going to be told to use the Rover V8 that had been in corporate use for decades and went from 3.5 litre as it's base up to 5.0l for customer kit cars.
This was also in the Land Rover series for many years. It's origins goes back to Oldsmobile who originally developed and ran it in the early to mid sixties and then sold the design to Rover.
Its a fairly conventional small block two valve push rod engine except it is has an alloy block.

Allegedly the Jaguar people thought it was beneath them to have a Rover engine in a Jag and so sabotaged the process before they were instructed to do it by head office by narrowing the front engine bay so that a V8 wouldn't fit.
This was primarily achieved by changing the front cross member so that when the instruction came down they simply said won't fit. Which was true, but only because they changed it to make it so.
The flip side of this was their own V12 wouldn't fit either and so they made those using the old front end and the two versions of the same cars, I6 and V12 are guite different under the skin from the mid eighties on.

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


 
cbmkr56 
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09-14-15 05:24 PM - Post#2575712    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

We are getting ready to do another jag front in a 54 2 dr hardtop. The hardtop already has a 56 chevy rear in it.i will post some pictures of it later this fall. Getting pretty busy around here with hunting season starting and camping winding down.


Funny thing the assy stickers on the Jag front and rear suspensions were not from England and all the bolts and nuts on the ones i have removed were US size and thread.



 
Bel Air kiwi 
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09-18-15 07:18 PM - Post#2576548    
    In response to cbmkr56

Hi CBMKR56, From memory all the early jag front ends were imperial thread for series 1 and 2 and I think they went metric in series 3 but I am not 100% on that. These jags were assembled in three countries if I remember correctly. UK, South Africa, and NZ.
Cheers Kiwi

48 3100 RHD, 51 Deluxe 4DR RHD, 51 Bel Air parts car, 52 Bel Air P-Glide LHD. Others 23T, 32 Tudor, 58 Edsel pacer 4DR HDT, 79 F250 351C RHD. 69,70,82 Capri. No mobile, no TV, and no Jap cars.

And when it was laid to waste, they called it peace.


 
cbmkr56 
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09-20-15 02:22 PM - Post#2576908    
    In response to Bel Air kiwi

1/2" -13 thread is not imperial , and 5/16"-24 is not imperial also.



 
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