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Username Post: barn find original 57 FI Bel Air convertible        (Topic#285946)
mlc48 
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08-21-12 02:23 PM - Post#2261769    

Hi
any guesses on what this car is worth in its present condition Lots of surface rust but no rot floors are solid including trunk (going again tonight to double check floors) 250 HP 3 speed every thing looks and checks out number wise to be correct factory FI Original paint Dusk pearl very poor shape but all metal is solid Original interior dirty but should clean up no tears 37000 miles Only issue engine does not turn over
appreciate any thoughts
Mike
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08-21-12 02:27 PM - Post#2261772    
    In response to mlc48

I've read questions like this before. I've always wondered what the car is worth to the asker, so I just gotta ask ya, what's it worth to you?

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57ChevyHT 
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08-21-12 02:32 PM - Post#2261776    
    In response to mlc48

Have no Idea what its worth with out actually seeing the car but..... if it's truly a original convt. FI that is complete. Run and buy the car as fast as you can before someone else gets it. These cars bring big money in good condition.

Things to consider, how much is it going to take to restore this car or how much are you willing to spend to restore car? vs how much a restored car is worth. What are your abilitys as far as doing a lot of the work yourself. This can save tons of money. Do some homework but if it's reasonable I say go for it. Not many finds around like that anymore these days.

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mlc48 
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08-21-12 02:44 PM - Post#2261780    
    In response to 57ChevyHT

asking price 50k
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08-21-12 03:02 PM - Post#2261785    
    In response to mlc48

Without seeing the car, etc, sounds a bit high from your description. Being a convert, original FI, low miles, all there, it's valuable, just maybe not 50K valuable. Maybe 25-30K if it's restorable.
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08-21-12 05:02 PM - Post#2261827    
    In response to mlc48

Probably obvious but you need to make certain it is what is stated, not just a convertible with a FI engine stuck into the engine compartment.
If you are not going to be doing the restoration yourself you need to make sure that all the "convertible only" parts are there - finding the proper (correct - not repro junque) parts in show condition takes time and lots of money if they are missing.
Strongly concur that the ballpark sounds more like $20 to $25K and if you can't do the restoration work yourself you may still get upside down in a hurry.
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C57Heaven 
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08-21-12 06:22 PM - Post#2261855    
    In response to Vermontboy

hard to say without pics.
Here is a favorite site I saw probably through here awhile back.

http://www.picturetrail.com/sfx/album/view/179007 0...
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08-21-12 08:03 PM - Post#2261891    
    In response to mlc48

since restored examples are worth north of $100k,it might be worth 50k,depending on condition. it will cost that much more to restore it.
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08-21-12 08:08 PM - Post#2261896    
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  • Jalapeno Said:
Without seeing the car, etc, sounds a bit high from your description. Being a convert, original FI, low miles, all there, it's valuable, just maybe not 50K valuable. Maybe 25-30K if it's restorable.



I agree with jalapeno

If this things rusty you may find all sorts of nightmares lurking in hidden places, especially in a convertible. If it's complete, original and actually what the seller says it is then it is a very sought after car. But I wouldn't pay 50k for it if it was running and driving with a rusty body. A local guy here took a nice dual quad 283 57 here to a high quality restoration shop not far from where I live and just getting it completely disassembled painted, all new interior and engine tranny gone through cost him over 80k not including what he already had in the car. So think things through so you don't end up with buyers remorse. I'd say if theres no rot out and the cars complete but needs a total resto, you should be looking at 15 to 25k depending on the current condition of the car.

People that don't know a lot about classic cars that have an old rust bucket out in the field amaze me at what they think the car/truck is worth. They've watched to many Barrett Jackson auctions seeing completely restored, rare cars selling for big bucks. They don't realize what it cost to restore these cars to that kinda condition...
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08-21-12 08:13 PM - Post#2261898    
    In response to C57Heaven

Call me a skeptic, but before I put down 25 or 50k for a unrestored relic I'd really be questioning the originality of the car itself. Is there any documentation? What about the numbers/date codes on the block, injection unit, generator match the build date of the car? Considering how many FI fakes are out there I'd be really questioning if it's real or not.
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Charlie57 
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08-21-12 08:25 PM - Post#2261905    
    In response to Yenkonova

I always thought the FI motor was rated for 283 HP, is that accurate that some where rated at 250?
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08-21-12 08:30 PM - Post#2261906    
    In response to Charlie57

Here's one ready to go or 72k why buy a rust bucket. I don't think your going to get the barn find restored for 22k

http://vintageautohausand imports.com/10301-10350/1...
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Edited by 57ChevyHT on 08-21-12 08:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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08-21-12 10:14 PM - Post#2261921    
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  • Charlie57 Said:
I always thought the FI motor was rated for 283 HP, is that accurate that some where rated at 250?
Charlie



Yep, up through 61, there was a hyd cammed FI engine and a solid lifter FI engine. The hyd cam FI engines were rated lower. The 57-60 hyd cam FI engines were rated at 250hp.
The 57 solid cam FI engine was rated at 283hp and the 58-60 solid cam FI engines were 290hp.
The 61 hyd was 275hp and the solid cam was 315hp.
Beginning with the 62 models, ALLLLLLLLLLLL FI engines were solid cam.
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Lee T 
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08-22-12 08:27 AM - Post#2262017    
    In response to 57ChevyHT

Sandman that 57 fuely looks great, and I liked it a lot until I got to the cowl tag picture and saw the "S" in front of the body #

 
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08-22-12 02:00 PM - Post#2262114    
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  • Lee T Said:
Sandman that 57 fuely looks great, and I liked it a lot until I got to the cowl tag picture and saw the "S" in front of the body #


Convertibles bodies were built also at Fisher Bodies in St Louis, that cowl tag looks legitimate, St Louis even put the A suffix after the paint code, which Lansing never did, also the color top was always specified on the St Louis built bodies for some reason.
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57ChevyHT 
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08-22-12 02:27 PM - Post#2262126    
    In response to Lee T

looks like its a St. Louis built car # 320... something can't see the rest of the number but all the other codes check out

Style 57 = 1957 /1067 = convertible
Body No S = St. louis / production 320 something
Trim 683 = silver & red vinyl
Paint 793A - EZ1 = Onyx black
Acc = white top ... convertible

Looks legit to me. Vin# on A piller also states V-8 Belair /1957 / St. Louis then production number.

Of course one always wants to do his homework when your spending this kind of cash. I would also look at engine casting numbers ect. As someone stated above they could've pulled it out of a lot of different cars as well as the FI system and power glide, rearend.
Tom A.

whoops looks like ThumperNz beat me to the answer but maybe the guy just don't like St. louis?
THE SANDMAN


Edited by 57ChevyHT on 08-22-12 02:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
55wagoncrazy 
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08-22-12 03:41 PM - Post#2262152    
    In response to 57ChevyHT

Air scoop was used on the 283 horse cars only. not the 250 horse. Electric wiper motor was not used on original FI cars. No Real 57 4 speed cars have been documented. Dealer or otherwise installed. Fuel filter bolts are wrong. Not Grade 8. They had a recessed head with B&H in the center. Fuel filter bracket is repop.......just to add a few.

St Louis built about 3000 converts in 57.

55wagoncrazy

 
Lee T 
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08-22-12 06:52 PM - Post#2262238    
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St Louis built about 3000 converts in 57.


I didn't know that, so they must have kept the same sequence numbers with Lansing for the conv bodies?

 
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08-22-12 07:17 PM - Post#2262253    
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Since we are showing why the black convertible is "only" 72K, as the ad calls it a "driver", and I can ad, a really nice driver. The devil is in the details. All the previous notes are right. I'll ad that the car was built in first week of September. The last car off the line in August was 306039. This car should have a later injector. The 4520 unit was used up to about May, when the 4800 unit was introduced. I noticed that there is no snowflake in the fins of the doghouse like all the 4520 units I've seen. As late as the car is, the diaphragm covers should have been die cast, even if there there was a super late 4520. The balance tube is a later Corvette piece. The oil filler tube in the intake manifold should be silver, not black. Also the oil cap should have the cadmium plated double straight slotted "oil-oil" cap. The fuel filter is bolted to the manifold, not with studs as original. The ballast resistor should have a black dot on the bracket to correspond with the "107" fuel injection coil. The wiring guides are painted engine color, not natural metal. FI and 2X4 wiring guides were not painted because the aluminum intake manifolds were not painted. The plug wires should have right angle boots on the distributor. There is no evidence of the Trico-Vac or the hose grommet on the left radiator filler panel. The Fuel Injection script on the fender is too clos to the fender spear and the Flags are too close to the script and not centered on the "j". These, and the other details previously mentioned are the difference between a Driver and a detailed restoration that brings the big bucks.
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08-22-12 11:39 PM - Post#2262315    
    In response to f.i.57chevynut

  • f.i.57chevynut Said:
These, and the other details previously mentioned are the difference between a Driver and a detailed restoration that brings the big bucks.



As my kids would say, "whoa, busted!"

 
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08-23-12 07:35 AM - Post#2262378    
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since restored examples are worth north of $100k



I'd say there are very, very few that sell above $100K.

I'm with Jalapeno's number of $25K w/o seeing it. It would be tough to do a full on resto to buy at $25K, restore and sell for $75K and make money. Don't see it happening unless you do almost all the work yourself.

Buy it if you want to own it and drive it, not as a flip oppty, IMHO.

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08-23-12 08:40 AM - Post#2262396    
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  • ThumperNZ Said:
  • Lee T Said:
Sandman that 57 fuely looks great, and I liked it a lot until I got to the cowl tag picture and saw the "S" in front of the body #


Convertibles bodies were built also at Fisher Bodies in St Louis, that cowl tag looks legitimate, St Louis even put the A suffix after the paint code, which Lansing never did, also the color top was always specified on the St Louis built bodies for some reason.



Lansing, Michigan? Lansing had a Body by Fisher plant and Oldsmobile assembly plants. I grew up in the area, was born in the 50's, but was unaware of Chevrolet ever building a car in Lansing. I don't remember anyone ever mentioning it either. My family had a black '57 Bel Air (I was a toddler), and later on my older brother had a black '57 Bel Air with power pack 283.

When GM combined assembly between their 'brands' in the 80's-90's, the Lansing Assembly plant (BOC) produced Buicks, Olds, Cadillacs and Chevys, all on the same line.

Today, all of the old plants have been torn down. The Lansing area continues to be a productive GM 'partner' and has a new engine plant and also new assembly plants building Cadillac models and Lamda platform vehicles including GMC Arcadia, and Buick Enclave.

 
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08-23-12 02:48 PM - Post#2262521    
    In response to Axelrod

Fisher Bodies in Lansing, Michigan produced most of the bodies for the Convertibles in '57, well over 44000 of them in fact which were sent to Chevrolet plants for assembly onto chassis. St Louis produced around 3500. St Louis bodies were only assembled onto chassis at St Louis, but there were some St Louis chassis cars assembled from Lansing bodies.

Having completed the restoration of Doris, the 2dr Hardtop in my avatar, it should always be considered what the cars ultimate value will be if the car will be sold on afterwards. In my case, our car's value was not a consideration, it was done as a hobby, and will never leave the family, so it's value as such is irrelevant. I expect that this situation faces a lot of TriFive owners.
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08-23-12 03:02 PM - Post#2262525    
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Hi everyone
A couple of other details about the car Engine built 5/15 suffix EJ FI unit 4520 s/n 1730 905 dist can't see date code car built second week July vin 273023 no floor rot has electrovac vacuum wiper motor No V emblem on hood is that correct for FI? Also crossflags the checkered flags upper left square is white I thought originals had black square in this position Car sat in garage for last 30-35 years Thanks for all your responses
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08-23-12 04:07 PM - Post#2262546    
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  • mlc48 Said:
Hi everyone
A couple of other details about the car Engine built 5/15 suffix EJ FI unit 4520 s/n 1730 905 dist can't see date code car built second week July vin 273023 no floor rot has electrovac vacuum wiper motor No V emblem on hood is that correct for FI? Also crossflags the checkered flags upper left square is white I thought originals had black square in this position Car sat in garage for last 30-35 years Thanks for all your responses
Mike


Confirming a few things here.
The engine is a 250hp Fuellie with 3 spd manual trans.
It should definitely have a V on the hood.
The engine dated at 2 months prior to assembly is a little early, so what other date clues are there?
What is the casting date on the back of the block, the heads casting date and the tag on the distributor, generator & voltage regulator.
The emblem I would not place a lot of importance upon, it may have been replaced, but restorers seldom get the position right. If you check out these measurements HERE it will tell if the car had original fuelie fenders.
So this car is a St Louis build car, am I right?
Does it have a cowl tag, and if so, what is the body number?
What you need to establish here is if the car is an older restoration with original parts. This will have a huge affect on value.
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08-23-12 05:22 PM - Post#2262568    
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no this car was built in Terrytown vin VC57T Generator is an 042 but date is 56 I think Nov if I remember didn't look at regulator Heads are 997 but didn't have time to remove cover to check date car does have original air cleaner housing The dist tag was corroded I could not read date code but it was a 905 engine casting date I could not read needs massive cleaning to see it
looked like original jack radiator date code June Do aftermaket hoods come with no holes for V emblem this hood never had holes

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08-23-12 05:27 PM - Post#2262571    
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I forgot to add style 1067DTX body no LS37956
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08-23-12 07:59 PM - Post#2262619    
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  • mlc48 Said:
I forgot to add style 1067DTX body no LS37956


I presume you mean L37956, if so, it is right on the body number trend for the July 10 (approx) build date, what was the trim and paint codes and any ACC codes?
Looks like the hood was a replacement.
There are other little clues to determine if the car was a fuelie originally, but I will leave that to more qualified guys like Tom.
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08-24-12 04:46 AM - Post#2262674    
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trim 677 paint 821
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08-24-12 08:01 AM - Post#2262728    
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Silver/Ivory interior.

Dusk Pearl paint.
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