elaudtr
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07-17-12 09:17 PM - Post#2249305
I took this off a 1959 Impala with a 348ci, non AC car. However, I believe it belongs on another Chevrolet. Can you identify this shroud?
The width of the circle is about 7". The inside diameter is 19". About 10" deep from bracket to tip. 3 holes on each side. A letter "D" stamped on the two indentions that appear to be for the radiator hoses.
Thank you!
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doubleE
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07-18-12 04:06 AM - Post#2249347
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Looks to be a common small block shroud. My 62 shroud looks identical to it and has a D stamped into it. I believe there are subtle differences between years.
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07-18-12 04:13 AM - Post#2249349
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That's a '63 small block shroud, as noted by the slotted lower mounting hole.
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07-18-12 04:40 AM - Post#2249357
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I've seen the slotted shrouds and the non-slotted (just a hole) shrouds sold on auction sites as genuine 62's and wondered if mine was original because it's slotted. Did the slotted version of the "3 holes per side" SB shroud possibly come out mid way through 62 production or were they specifically a 63 model year shroud?
I should also add that it's possible that my shroud was wrecked in the front crash that my car suffered in the early 70's and was replaced with whatever shroud was available, because the parts for the smash repair were second hand.
Edited by Carl1962 on 07-18-12 04:44 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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07-18-12 07:45 AM - Post#2249415
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62 had smooth rounded ribs. 63-64 had flat top rounded ribs.
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07-18-12 03:09 PM - Post#2249601
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Can you provide a photo of the "rounded ribs" version?
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07-18-12 03:13 PM - Post#2249603
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I've seen the slotted shrouds and the non-slotted (just a hole) shrouds sold on auction sites as genuine 62's and wondered if mine was original because it's slotted. Did the slotted version of the "3 holes per side" SB shroud possibly come out mid way through 62 production or were they specifically a 63 model year shroud?
I should also add that it's possible that my shroud was wrecked in the front crash that my car suffered in the early 70's and was replaced with whatever shroud was available, because the parts for the smash repair were second hand.
Carl, I've never seen (what I believe to be) an original '62 with the slotted lower holes. I've seen a lot of late cars but I haven't seen every '62 Chevy built.
Verne
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07-18-12 03:59 PM - Post#2249620
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Eric said.... "My 62 shroud looks identical to it and has a D stamped into it".
Carl said.... "I've seen the slotted shrouds and the non-slotted (just a hole) shrouds sold on auction sites as genuine 62's and wondered if mine was original because it's slotted. Did the slotted version of the "3 holes per side" SB shroud possibly come out mid way through 62 production or were they specifically a 63 model year shroud"?
For me, my '62 Biscayne (factory V8) also has the same shroud as the original poster shows, and as Eric's, has the "D" stamped top and bottom with the slotted bottom bolt holes. (I'm sure the "D" is the manufacturers mark) This is in my third week of April (4C) built car. I have always been under the impression that this is an original part. Maybe..... maybe not???
Currently there are 2 shrouds listed on eBay as being 1962 parts, one listing showing the vehicle the part is being taken from...... a black Impala.
 Are there any other owners with a 62 V8 car, known to be all original, that can weigh in on this issue?
Until then, I guess the plot thickens. Well..... except in Verne's mind. (No offense Verne, you're an exceptional source of knowledge on these old cars!)
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07-18-12 09:16 PM - Post#2249731
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I just looked at the shroud on my 62 SS vert, 250/327. "I think" the shroud is original. It has the flat topped humps like in the photo above. The bottom hole (4th and unused) is horizontally slotted. The car was a late one, built 8B.
Ron
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07-19-12 06:07 AM - Post#2249819
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Sorry, I'm thinking of something totally different.
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07-19-12 03:06 PM - Post#2249983
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The build date of 8B (2nd week of August) makes me wonder is it a late built car or is it an early built car? August of 61. I thought that production ceased the end of July and that they took 2 to 3 weeks to gear up for the next model year. I hope someone knowledgeable of the production schedule will post.
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07-19-12 03:47 PM - Post#2249994
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The most definitive indicator would be the BODY number listed on your Trim Tag. A low number would indicate 1961 production.
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07-19-12 05:02 PM - Post#2250020
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Yes, the BODY number would indicate if it was an early or late car. But the reference to "4" bolt holes in the shroud says that it is NOT a '62 shroud. ONLY 3 per side for '62 & '63. In '63 the lower hole was not elongated horizontally; it was cut out at the bottom to allow it to be dropped in onto the lower bolt holding the radiator. This way the assembly line people didn't have to have 4 arms or a buddy to help align the radiator AND the shroud to get the bolts in.
Verne
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07-19-12 06:15 PM - Post#2250054
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Here's an original 62 V8 327-250 Canadian. I don't know about the bottom slots.
Is the carb air cleaner correct?
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Edited by DonSSDD on 07-19-12 06:16 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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07-19-12 09:40 PM - Post#2250128
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Verne
Would it help if I took photos of the shroud? The 4th, bottom hole, is not used, only 3 bolts per side holding it on. Maybe you could identify it?
I think I have a photo of the cowl tag on the other computer. I could also post the serial number to see if it is early or late, but I think it was a larger number.
Ron
1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63
1964 Biscayne-will have 409
1962 SS convertible 4 spd 327
1971 K10 454
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07-20-12 02:10 AM - Post#2250157
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One thing I can say with 99% certainty is that I've never seen a 62 409 shroud with the slotted bottom holes. Now this seems odd to me because if Chevy had realised that it was easier/quicker to install a shroud with the slots, why didn't they do it for 409's as well???
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07-20-12 04:09 AM - Post#2250162
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Carl,
Chevy did have the slotted lower hole on 409 shrouds too. I have a '63 shroud on my '62 because it's much easier to install.
Verne
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07-20-12 04:12 AM - Post#2250164
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Verne
Would it help if I took photos of the shroud? The 4th, bottom hole, is not used, only 3 bolts per side holding it on. Maybe you could identify it?
I think I have a photo of the cowl tag on the other computer. I could also post the serial number to see if it is early or late, but I think it was a larger number.
Ron
There shouldn't be an unused hole at the bottom. If you want to post a pic, I can try to identify it.
Verne
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07-20-12 05:49 AM - Post#2250191
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I was unable to access my photo bucket account, so will try google docs. I bought this car 3 years ago. It had been repainted about 20 years ago and never run since. The tail lights had not been installed. A NIB top and rear window came with it. The window has a date of J-90. The car has a build date of 8B. The last digits of the serial # are S320639. Hope the first photo is clear enough.
Ron
Shroud photos
1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63
1964 Biscayne-will have 409
1962 SS convertible 4 spd 327
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07-20-12 08:07 AM - Post#2250224
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The car has a build date of 8B. The last digits of the serial # are S320639.
Ron,
That's definitely an August of 1962 built car with a sequential serial number of 320639. They would have started with s/n 100001 in the production run at all manufacturing plants.
I think your shroud may be a '62. I'm pretty sure that the bottom (4th) hole that you see is actually the bottom hole on the attachment fin that's on the sides of the radiator frame..... not of the shroud. You should be able to feel just below the 3rd bolt in the picture for the bottom edge of the shroud. I magnified the picture on my computer and it looked like a definite horizontal line about 3/8" under that bottom bolt.
Here's your pictures for all to see.......
Edited by 62sedan on 07-20-12 08:21 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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07-20-12 08:20 AM - Post#2250228
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I took a better look, this time with bifocals. You are correct. Sheesh, eyes are old, I am old.....
Ron
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1962 SS convertible 4 spd 327
1971 K10 454
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07-20-12 09:49 AM - Post#2250246
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Good eye, Chuck!
Now let's see he's willing to remove that lower bolt and see if it's a hole or a slot...
Verne
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07-20-12 03:24 PM - Post#2250339
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I removed the bolt. It is a slot like in the first photo in this thread.
Ron
1964 SS 409/340 4 spd, bought new Oct '63
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1962 SS convertible 4 spd 327
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07-20-12 03:37 PM - Post#2250342
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Well..... that's 4 of us now with a '62 where the lower bolt hole on the shroud is a slotted oval. Coincidence?? Could all of us have had our shrouds replaced with a '63 or later unit?? Hmmmm. Maybe they are more common than originally thought.
I'm sure there are other '62 owners out there with a factory smallblock V8 installation that can respond so we can get a better idea as to whether this particular type shroud is a correct, original style to our vehicles or not. How about it guys?? Care to join in??
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07-20-12 04:10 PM - Post#2250354
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My 62 Impala Wagons shroud is exactly as Vern stated. Three holes with the bottom cut out of the lower hole.
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07-20-12 04:27 PM - Post#2250361
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Maybe the slotted 62's are a product of a late build (mines 5B) and isolated to just one plant. Ron's and my cars are St Louis built. Which plant were the other 62's with slotted shrouds assembled?
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07-20-12 04:41 PM - Post#2250367
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Carl,
Good thinking ........ but mine's a 4C build (3rd week of April, 1962) and is a Janesville vehicle.
I guess that sort of rules out your supposition of a particular plant, but it could still be a dated factor.
Edited by 62sedan on 07-20-12 04:42 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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07-20-12 04:42 PM - Post#2250368
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This is great information. Let's share more and be specific about the plant and assembly dates. I'd love to pin down the changeover by plant!!
BTW: If I seem to be absent next week, it's because I'll be at the NIA's national convention we're hosting in Mt Laurel NJ. I have lots to do there all week. (come join us)
Verne
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07-20-12 08:06 PM - Post#2250437
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The car is Canadian based on the air cleaner and where the concentrate bottle is mounted, in addition the battery terminals have a screw fastener rather than the spring ring. You will notice that the Canadian air cleaners were opposite to the American made ones with a plate top and a base that the filter sat in.
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07-21-12 11:44 PM - Post#2250777
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I'd love to attend the NIA National Convention. Maybe one day I'll bring my Impala back to the states and after doing Route 66 in it, I'll time it right to go to the NIA convention as well.
The 4C Janesville car with the slotted shroud is the earliest so far, but what build date was your car Verne? Lucky you're at the convention this week, you can check as many shrouds as you like, you lucky bugger.
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